Man won't submit to security, TSA won't let him fly. Who's right?

Reba said:
I heard a woman being interviewed on the radio tonight. She was 70 years, from Charleston, and had flown overseas at the beginning of October, before the new rules came into effect. On her return trip, she changed planes in Atlanta. The TSA employee said that the woman needed to be patted down. The old lady agreed to it because she was expecting the old way, back of the hand, no groin area contact. She was shocked when she felt herself being groped!

How many of you feel safer about flying knowing that the old lady got groped?
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I hope they change their gloves after they grope the junk areas, who wants to smell someone else's junk on their gloves? :barf:

Yiz
 
Reba said:
The other "innovation" by terrorists is the explosive hidden in the anal cavity of the suicide bomber (it's been used once in a land attack).

Here's an idea.

Let's take care of an Obamacare expense and airport security in one step.

When passengers go to the airport they can get their colonoscopy and security cavity check in one convenient stop at the terminal.
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:laugh2:
 
Reba said:
Mine either. I attended four high schools in two states, and none of them had any kind of security, or any kind of violence.

Hubby attended a bused-in, inner city high school in Lansing, and they didn't have anything either. He said there was a little old lady vice principal that kept everyone in line.
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yep... same here... THAT old lady vice principal...... :Ohno:
 
Daredevel7 said:
Miami?? That's odd. I lived in Miami. Miami Airport wasn't meant to be for connecting flights, so the terminals were not connected together like in ATL. So you'd have to go through security again simply just for going into a new terminal.
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:dunno: we may have remained on the same concourse. I know we didn't go through again though.
 
Reba said:
Mine either. I attended four high schools in two states, and none of them had any kind of security, or any kind of violence.

Hubby attended a bused-in, inner city high school in Lansing, and they didn't have anything either. He said there was a little old lady vice principal that kept everyone in line.
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Me either too, except for police dog that look for drugs about several times every year, usually in locker area.

For me, I'm side with Jiro about not believe in metal detector in public school.
 
Reba said:
It became effective Oct. 29. Did you travel after that date?
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No....my "pat down" was Oct. 22. It was "extensive" but no grope.

I went through the scanner on August 5th (I think) or July 25.

The scanner I went through was the cylinder kind.....It was pretty cool.
 
yizuman said:
Um, does that include hitchhikers and those that ride with licensed drivers? Your statement to travel US roads w/o a license is ridiculous at best.

Yiz
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Vehicle still has to be registered and deemed fit for the road. There are rules for travel....If you don't like them....don't travel. Simple.

Or get a Horse.....lots of freedom then. :)
 
TXgolfer said:
No....my "pat down" was Oct. 22. It was "extensive" but no grope.

I went through the scanner on August 5th (I think) or July 25.

The scanner I went through was the cylinder kind.....It was pretty cool.
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So you haven't yet experienced the groping that the guy is complaining about, and that your children would be exposed to.
 
"Nor do you have the right to travel the roads in a vehicle deemed unfit for travel...."
Not all vehicles are inspected.
 
Reba said:
So you haven't yet experienced the groping that the guy is complaining about, and that your children would be exposed to.
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That is why I said if it were equal to the one I had last month.

I take this....

"TSA is in the process of implementing new pat-down procedures at checkpoints nationwide as one of our many layers of security to keep the traveling public safe. Pat-downs are one important tool to help TSA detect hidden and dangerous items such as explosives. Passengers should continue to expect an unpredictable mix of security layers that include explosives trace detection, advanced imaging technology, canine teams, among others."
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to mean they had already started. :dunno: Like I say mine covered alot. I was wearing golf shorts and the guy went up both pant legs....but there was no grope. Also the new method is a "public pat down" which mine was. I stood on the little footie mat and was in full view of everyone.

I put my bags on the x-ray table and then walked through a metal detector. After that I was waved to a glassed in box. (no scanner at this check point). The guy on the other side of the glass box opened the glass door and directed me to a mat. I took my hearing aid out....he said that is not necessary so I put it back in...then I got frisked. I didnt run my wallet through the x ray so he had me take it out and he ran it through. I had alot of cash on me and he asked why. I said because I am going to a casino in Phoenix and I hate atm fees. He said "good luck" And I was done. Easy....I didn't mind a bit.
 
Reba said:
"Nor do you have the right to travel the roads in a vehicle deemed unfit for travel...."
Not all vehicles are inspected.
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:lol: Ah well..... the point is we have rules regarding all forms of travel.....the "right to travel" in no why permits one to ignore regulations.
 
TXgolfer said:
I think that part was made up......the story has many flaws in it actually and the guy seems to have had an agenda going in. First of all everyone goes through the metal detector first..... then some are selected for the scan.
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and he repeatedly offered to go thru metal detector again. He accepted a pat-down but not on his "junk". Have some dignity, will they?

By your logic - you're ok with morgue technicians dragging a body bag out of van like a garbage bag, right? it's just a dead body.
 
kokonut said:
Better to hire and train on behavior profiling just like what they do at the Ben Gurion airport in Israel successfully for years. And some of ya'll squealed and complained about behavior profiling thinking it's the same as plain ol profiling which it's not. And now we have the the TSA touching people's junk. Just wait til after Thanksgiving and watch the number of travelers just drop. I'm sure the airline will not like seeing low number of travelers.
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the Americans are never going to meet Israeli's standard. It's virtually impossible. You forget that Ben Gurion airport used security guards with military experience, several months of intensive trainings, and education beyond high school. And also they have only one international airport.. we have dozens. Most of TSA agents have mostly high school education and mediocre training. This is what happens when we let TSA handles it -

ACLU Sues Over Unconstitutional Airport Detention And Interrogation Of College Student Carrying Arabic Flashcards
PHILADELPHIA – The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Pennsylvania today filed a lawsuit on behalf of Pomona College student Nicholas George, who was abusively interrogated, handcuffed and detained for nearly five hours at the Philadelphia International Airport because of a set of English-Arabic flashcards he was carrying in connection with his college language studies.
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George was on his way back to school in California in August 2009 when he was prompted by Transportation Security Authority (TSA) agents to empty his pockets at an airport security screening point. After producing a set of English-Arabic flashcards, which each had an English word on one side and the corresponding Arabic word on the other, George was detained by the TSA agents in the screening area for 30 minutes. A TSA supervisor then arrived and aggressively questioned George, asking him questions such as how he felt about 9/11, whether he knew "who did 9/11" and whether he knew what language Osama bin Laden spoke.

A Philadelphia police officer then arrived, handcuffed George and led him through a terminal to the airport police station where he was left in a locked cell for two hours in the handcuffs, and for two more hours with the handcuffs removed. George was then interrogated for half an hour by two FBI agents. He was never informed of why he was handcuffed, detained or arrested, and he was not informed of his rights. By the time he was released, George had long since missed his flight and was told by airline officials that he would have to wait until the next day to travel.

"As someone who travels by plane, I want TSA agents to do their job to keep flights safe. But I don't understand how locking me up and harassing me just because I was carrying the flashcards made anybody safer," said George. "No one should be treated like a criminal for simply learning one of the most widely-spoken languages in the world."
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TXgolfer said:
:lol: Ah well..... the point is we have rules regarding all forms of travel.....the "right to travel" in no why permits one to ignore regulations.
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so you're ok with police officers setting up checkpoints to check drivers on daily basis and to randomly pull over people for no reason?
 
Jiro said:
and he repeatedly offered to go thru metal detector again. He accepted a pat-down but not on his "junk". Have some dignity, will they?
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I doubt they intended to "touch his junk" :lol: He made a threat to a TSA agent....



By your logic - you're ok with morgue technicians dragging a body bag out of van like a garbage bag, right? it's just a dead body.
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What? :lol:
 
Jiro said:
so you're ok with police officers setting up checkpoints to check drivers on daily basis and to randomly pull over people for no reason?
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*shrug* Checkpoints already exist....
 
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