Man won't submit to security, TSA won't let him fly. Who's right?

Reba said:
They actually reach into your pants and "touch your junk" in front of everyone?
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As I said....I belive those accounts are "exaggerated". As for "in front of everyone" you have the right to have the pat down done in a private area. They tell you that up front.
 
Reba said:
I haven't found the details yet but here's a little info:

"'In the U.S., profiling is a bad word,' Liss said, but he defended the practice, saying it is done by 'intelligent, motivated' university students who served in Israel's military and can identify passengers who could pose a potential risk."


Obviously, the USA has more airports, more people passing thru the airports, and more variety of passengers and destinations.
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aw you didn't have to do homework for kokonut.

and looks like everybody forgot. I posted a very detailed information about this in other thread and explained many times about it.
 
TXgolfer said:
As I said....I belive those accounts are "exaggerated". As for "in front of everyone" you have the right to have the pat down done in a private area. They tell you that up front.
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not really. YOU have to request for it.
 
kokonut said:
Yes, obviously. Yet Ben Gurion has been doing this for years and there were plenty of time for airports in the U.S. to learn about their techniques helping ensure travelers' safety and security WITHOUT the need to touch/fondle/caress/squeeze somebody's junk. What a joke TSA has become. Watch airline stocks tank after the holidays. Common sense, folks. Common sense.
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Airline stocks are probably going to do pretty well after the holidays actually. Air travel is way up this holiday season.
 
TXgolfer said:
Airline stocks are probably going to do pretty weel after the holidays actually. Air travel is way up this holiday season.
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yep. always. for years.

can tell this guy is not much of a traveler.
 
In steps every American’s favorite pilot, the Hudson splash-landing hero of Flight 1549 fame, Sully Sullenberger, to say, you know what? Keep your hands to yourselves. “I can tell you from my perspective as an airline pilot for three decades, this just isn’t an effective use of our resources.”

Sully gracefully glided into the story just as the cable nets were whipping themselves into a junk-touching frenzy over the camera phone video of passenger John Tyner’s run in with the TSA at San Diego’s airport, telling agents he considered the uber-sensitive search to be, essentially, a sexual assault, advising agents (and creating a phrase that pays) “don’t touch my junk.”

On CNN’s American Morning Tuesday, anchor Kiran Chetry asked Sullenberger what he thinks of the pat down policy, paraphrasing John Tyner’s concerns this way: “I don’t want anybody but my wife and maybe my doctor touching me in the places these people are touching me.”

Sully, by the way, can land a passenger jet in a river without so much as getting a passenger wet, but he couldn’t stop the TSA from hand searching his own wife during a recent trip. (Hands off Mrs. Sully, you goons!) “She was touched in sensitive places,” said Sully.
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sully sullenberger-touch my junk | kiran chetry | Mediaite
 
TXgolfer said:
As I said....I belive those accounts are "exaggerated". As for "in front of everyone" you have the right to have the pat down done in a private area. They tell you that up front.
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Have the TSA agents denied that it happened?

It seems that if the passengers' accounts weren't true that the TSA would be actively denying the reports.
 
TXgolfer said:
Nope....they go over what is going to take place before they start. Hence the communication delay I mentioned earlier.
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not really. they never asked me if I wanted to go to privacy room when they wanted to do a pat-down. He did kinda touch my junk.
 
Jiro said:
aw you didn't have to do homework for kokonut.

and looks like everybody forgot. I posted a very detailed information about this in other thread and explained many times about it.
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I assume anyone and everyone is welcome to provide input. :)
 
Reba said:
I assume anyone and everyone is welcome to provide input. :)
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He is the one who keeps beating drum about it and preaching that we should adopt Israeli's method. I repeatedly posted along with detailed facts that it's impossible to do so in America. and plus... this is not how I want America to be... A Country of Fear.

It's funny.... he wanted America to adopt Israeli's method.. and yet preaches that we cannot afford Obamacare? :dizzy:
 
kokonut said:
TSA Now Putting Hands Down Fliers’ Pants

Loss of freedom anyone? Not to mention a violation of privacy. And people screamed about behavior profiling was inappropriate and their supposed loss of freedom? Rigggghhhtt.

Common sense, people. Use it.

Doh!
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I'm pretty sure the training isn't putting the WHOLE hand down into the pants. I've seen it before, they put fingers into the waistband and feel 360 deg all round. This is supposed to shake off any loose drugs stuffed into the pants as well as feel any foreign objects.

But it doesn't matter. They will find a way. I mean if I were to sneak in any drugs, I have a perfect hiding place. ;) Only dogs could sniff me out.

Why aren't they using dogs more often? And dogs aren't even the only animal that can sniff out the bad stuff. What about pigs????

Oh wait yes, they will yell out animal cruelty... pfft.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I'm pretty sure the training isn't putting the WHOLE hand down into the pants. I've seen it before, they put fingers into the waistband and feel 360 deg all round. This is supposed to shake off any loose drugs stuffed into the pants as well as feel any foreign objects.

But it doesn't matter. They will find a way. I mean if I were to sneak in any drugs, I have a perfect hiding place. ;) Only dogs could sniff me out.

Why aren't they using dogs more often? And dogs aren't even the only animal that can sniff out the bad stuff. What about pigs????

Oh wait yes, they will yell out animal cruelty... pfft.
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pigs? it will offend Muslim-Americans and Jewish people :aw:
 
Daredevel7 said:
I'm pretty sure the training isn't putting the WHOLE hand down into the pants. I've seen it before, they put fingers into the waistband and feel 360 deg all round. This is supposed to shake off any loose drugs stuffed into the pants as well as feel any foreign objects.

But it doesn't matter. They will find a way. I mean if I were to sneak in any drugs, I have a perfect hiding place. ;) Only dogs could sniff me out.

Why aren't they using dogs more often? And dogs aren't even the only animal that can sniff out the bad stuff. What about pigs????

Oh wait yes, they will yell out animal cruelty... pfft.
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TSA is searching for drugs? :confused:

What animal cruelty???
 
I have an idea!!!

Let's have one day where all guys have a fake boner in their pants and women have "wet" crotches. When we go to the airport, we will request a pat down. When they pat us down, we should start moaning and making little comments like "That's the stuff."

All TSA employees will request to end the pat-down within a few hours.

WHO IS WITH ME?!
 
TXgolfer said:
Airline stocks are probably going to do pretty weel after the holidays actually. Air travel is way up this holiday season.
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Thanksgiving holiday is next week and Christmas/New Year a month away. Like I said, wait til after the holidays and then see how it goes next year after experiencing those nifty "lemme-check-your-junk, ma'am" security checks.
 
Reba said:
TSA is searching for drugs? :confused:

What animal cruelty???
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Sorry, let me clarify. That's a common procedure FOR searching for drugs. But you are right, that is not their purpose. However, since bombs (or any other threats) can be in the form of powder, so they can be searched LIKE they have drugs.

And there is no animal cruelty. Sometimes people (cough PETA cough) think that if we make an animal do work, it's animal cruelty.
 
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