Man won't submit to security, TSA won't let him fly. Who's right?

TXgolfer said:
:hmm:
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as posted before -

Additional screening occurs when an individual sets off the alarm on the metal detector, or if he or she is selected for the additional screening. This screening includes a hand-wand inspection in conjunction with a pat-down inspection that includes the torso.

If you must go through additional screening, the screener will direct you from the metal detector to a screening station where he or she will brief you on the next steps.

* At this time, you should let the screener know of any personal needs you may have due to a religious or cultural consideration, disability, or other medical concern.
* Except in extraordinary circumstances, a screener of your gender will conduct your additional screening. You may request that your search be conducted in private.

While you will be separated from your carry-on baggage during this process, every effort will be made to help you maintain visual contact with your carry-ons.
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Pat-Down Inspection

A pat-down inspection complements the hand-wand inspection. In order to ensure security, this inspection may include sensitive areas of the body. Security Officers are rigorously trained to maintain the highest levels of professionalism. You may request that your pat-down inspection be conducted in private.
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Like I said - you have to request for it. Some TSA agents are considerate enough to ask you if you would like it done in private.
 
In regards to profiling, it does work.

The reason it's a bad word here is because there are criminals that is scared to death of profiling, they know it really works. So they figured the best way to end profiling is call it racist and they succeeded. Political correctness at it's finest.

If you watched Criminal Minds, you can get a general idea how profiling works. It doesn't mean that in real life that those that uses the profiling system can solve a crime within' an hour just like on TV. In fact, with hard cases, profiling could take months to years before the case finally cracks and is solved.

It's too bad that our country has become so pussified that everyone is afraid of offending anyone. It's not only sad, it's also downright ridiculous as well.

Yiz
 
Daredevel7 said:
I have an idea!!!

Let's have one day where all guys have a fake boner in their pants and women have "wet" crotches. When we go to the airport, we will request a pat down. When they pat us down, we should start moaning and making little comments like "That's the stuff."

All TSA employees will request to end the pat-down within a few hours.

WHO IS WITH ME?!
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Umm, what makes you so sure that they won't enjoy it?
 
Jiro said:
as posted before -

* Except in extraordinary circumstances, a screener of your gender will conduct your additional screening.
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What would those "extraordinary circumstances" be?
 
Did you know that the nation's airports are not required to have Transportation Security Administration screeners checking passengers at security checkpoints? The 2001 law creating the TSA gave airports the right to opt out of the TSA program in favor of private screeners after a two-year period. Now, with the TSA engulfed in controversy and hated by millions of weary and sometimes humiliated travelers, Rep. John Mica, the Republican who will soon be chairman of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, is reminding airports that they have a choice
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Read more at the Washington Examiner: Amid airport anger, GOP takes aim at screening | Washington Examiner


In addition to being large, impersonal, and top-heavy, what really worries critics is that the TSA has become dangerously ineffective. Its specialty is what those critics call "security theater" -- that is, a show of what appear to be stringent security measures designed to make passengers feel more secure without providing real security. "That's exactly what it is," says Mica. "It's a big Kabuki dance."

Now, the dance has gotten completely out of hand. And like lots of fliers -- I spoke to him as he waited for a flight at the Orlando airport -- Mica sees TSA's new "naked scanner" machines and groping, grossly invasive passenger pat-downs as just part of a larger problem. TSA, he says, is relying more on passenger humiliation than on practices that are proven staples of airport security.

For example, many security experts have urged TSA to adopt techniques, used with great success by the Israeli airline El Al, in which passengers are observed, profiled, and most importantly, questioned before boarding planes. So TSA created a program known as SPOT -- Screening of Passengers by Observation Techniques. It began hiring what it called behavior detection officers, who would be trained to notice passengers who acted suspiciously. TSA now employs about 3,000 behavior detection officers, stationed at about 160 airports across the country.

The problem is, they're doing it all wrong. A recent Government Accountability Office study found that TSA "deployed SPOT nationwide without first validating the scientific basis for identifying suspicious passengers in an airport environment." They haven't settled on the standards needed to stop bad actors.

"It's not an Israeli model, it's a TSA, screwed-up model," says Mica. "It should actually be the person who's looking at the ticket and talking to the individual. Instead, they've hired people to stand around and observe, which is a bastardization of what should be done."
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Read more at the Washington Examiner: Amid airport anger, GOP takes aim at screening | Washington Examiner
 
TSA need to learn to do it properly. Hire Israelis security experts to the proper training for them since they have the experience at Ben Gurion airport.
 
Jiro said:
as posted before -
Like I said - you have to request for it. Some TSA agents are considerate enough to ask you if you would like it done in private.
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It is on the sign at the security checkpoint. *shrug* Both agents (pat down, scanner) I had read instuctions to me off of a card. Eventually they allowed me to read the card since I could not hear them. Seemed like SOP to me.
 
yizuman said:
In regards to profiling, it does work.

The reason it's a bad word here is because there are criminals that is scared to death of profiling, they know it really works. So they figured the best way to end profiling is call it racist and they succeeded. Political correctness at it's finest.

If you watched Criminal Minds, you can get a general idea how profiling works. It doesn't mean that in real life that those that uses the profiling system can solve a crime within' an hour just like on TV. In fact, with hard cases, profiling could take months to years before the case finally cracks and is solved.

It's too bad that our country has become so pussified that everyone is afraid of offending anyone. It's not only sad, it's also downright ridiculous as well.

Yiz
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Behavior profiling is very effective and does work. It has worked for over 30 years at Ben Gurion airport. Remember, it's behavior profiling, not profiling which has an entirely different meaning and context.

Just stating my opinion though I'm not complaining if others have a different opinion.

Each to his or her own.
 
kokonut said:
Behavior profiling is very effective and does work. It has worked for over 30 years at Ben Gurion airport. Remember, it's behavior profiling, not profiling which has an entirely different meaning and context.

Just stating my opinion though I'm not complaining if others have a different opinion.

Each to his or her own.
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correct. Behavior Profiling is effective. It's best done by professionals with extensive background plus military. TSA agents doesn't even meet half of Israeli's background so how can we entrust TSA agents to do what Israelis can do? The only way to do that is to revamp TSA's employment requirement.

State Police or City Police. This is like entrusting city police to do state police job.
 
Wonder is behavior profiling would have caught the 9/11 jackasses


Odds are the pat downs and and scanner would have.

just sayin'
 
TXgolfer said:
Wonder is behavior profiling would have caught the 9/11 jackasses


Odds are the pat downs and and scanner would have.

just sayin'
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Hindsight is 20/20. Had airports used similar security layers seen at Ben Gurion airport they'd probably caught them even befor they have gotten to the pat downs and scanners.
 
TXgolfer said:
Wonder is behavior profiling would have caught the 9/11 jackasses


Odds are the pat downs and and scanner would have.

just sayin'
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kokonut said:
Hindsight is 20/20. Had airports used similar security layers seen at Ben Gurion airport they'd probably caught them even befor they have gotten to the pat downs and scanners.
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:lol: It was an inside job, you bozos.
 
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