Man won't submit to security, TSA won't let him fly. Who's right?

No one has yet mentioned how TSA agents feel about the change in policy (read full article at link):


TSA Enhanced Pat Downs : The Screeners Point Of View - Flying With Fish


“It is not comfortable to come to work knowing full well that my hands will be feeling another man’s private parts, their butt, their inner thigh. Even worse is having to try and feel inside the flab rolls of obese passengers and we seem to get a lot of obese passengers!”

“Do you think I want to go to work and place my hands between women’s legs and touch their breasts for a few hours? For starters, I am attracted to men, not women and if I was attracted to women, it would not be the large number of passengers I handle daily that have a problem understanding what personal hygiene is.”

“Yesterday a passenger told me to keep my hands off his penis or he’d scream. Is this how a 40 year old man in business attire acts? He’ll scream? My 3 year old can get away with saying he’ll scream, but a 40 something business man? I am a professional doing my job, whether I agree with this current policy or not, I am doing my job. I do not want to be here all day touching penises.”

“Being a TSO means often being verbally abused, you let the comments roll off and check the next person, however when a woman refuses the scanner then comes to me and tells me that she feels like I am molesting her, that is beyond verbal abuse. I asked the woman if she thought I like touching other women all day and she told me that I probably did or I wouldn’t be with the TSA. I just want to tell these people that I feel disgusted feeling other peoples private parts, but I cannot because I am a professional.”

“I was asked by some guy if I got excited touching scrotums at the airport and if it gave me a power thrill. I felt like vomiting when he asked that. This is not a turn on for me to touch me it is in fact a huge turn off. There is a big difference between how I pat passengers down and a molester molesting people.”
Click to expand...
 
So when are people going to demand their rights back? You can feel the wind of change now.
 
Screenings are pretty much about making Americans feel secure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have NOT seen proof that this type of security actually stopped anything. It looks like it's come to the point where most Americans are not happy and don't feel "extra" secure with the excess security. Both as a TSA and a passenger/pilot. Looks like the answer is simple. Time for a change.

By the way, all this child porn talk is just crazy talk. I am not being naive, there ARE pervs out there, but I think the world is better to just live rather than force people to limit themselves out of the sake of those pervs. For example, Reba said something like "It takes a simple image to activate the filthy imagination of pervs." So what? Are we letting this dictate our lives?

Should we ban the photography by Anne Geddes?

Anne_Geddes_pea_in_a_pod.jpg


I guarantee someone, somewhere, has seen this picture and made it ugly and perverted in his mind. Screw him, Anne Geddes creates beautiful pictures and there is no way in hell I should let a perverted punk affect her art and my enjoyment of it.
 
Again, it's too late. You can't take your kids to the beach and film them. I have seen kids lost in the supermarket and have walked away and found a member of staff rather than stepping in and going to the child. I am afraid I will be wrongly accused if I do the right thing, so I do the next best thing. The problem is a real paedophile has a chance to grab the child while I am finding the member of staff. How is this safer?

Arizona Couple Suing After Bathtime Photos Prompt Walmart to Launch Child Porn Investigation - ABC News
 
As far I am concerned, the TSA is a joke. The more extreme measurements they allow to take place, the harder they will be to get rid of.

People are like sheep. They'll believe anything they are told. The security in the USA is ridiculous.

But of course, people will just come to their defense and say it's for the sake of national security. They can believe whatever they want to, it just doesn't change the fact that they are losing their rights faster than ever.
 
Pat-down backlash grows during holiday travel rush
As backlash against airline passenger pat-downs intensified with a viral online video, the nation's top airline security official said Monday that his agency is walking a fine line between privacy concerns and public safety.

A short video clip circulating on the internet shows a shirtless boy receiving a pat-down from a Transportation Security Administration agent. His father watches, hands on his hips, obstructing part of the view.

But the words playing in the background are clear.

"Are they harassing a kid?" one man asks.

"It's ridiculous," another voice chimes in. "Unbelievable."

Finance student Luke Tait said he started recording the incident with his cell phone when he saw the "visibly upset" father while waiting in line Friday at the airport in Salt Lake City, Utah.

"It was an interesting situation. I never saw a little boy with his shirt off getting a pat-down," Tait told CNN.
Click to expand...

Asked whether the technology and pat-downs would have been able to find that device, Pistole said he believes they would have, saying it would have shown up as "an anomaly" with the imaging technology and then might have been located in a pat-down.

There has never been an explosive found on a flight from one U.S. city to another, Pistole acknowledged. But, he pointed out, domestic terrorists exist -- Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph and Ted Kaczynski, for instance -- and there are people who want to do the government harm. While America is "fortunate" that such an incident has not occurred on a domestic flight, he said, it could conceivably happen.
Click to expand...
um... wow.... what a very poor answer. In case Pistole didn't know... McVeigh, Rudolph, and Kazynski never took planes.
 
The Charleston (SC) airport doesn't have the backscatter equipment, so the pat down is the only option. Or, rather I should say, no option available.
 
Not surprised with TSA and enhanced pat down is totally joke, also is full body scanner that see through the clothes.

I just want abolish the TSA and replace with private security like in old time or reform them to ban on pat down that touch on private area or full body scanner that see through clothes.

I won't like TSA when they touch my junk so I have no choice if I must take on fly.
 
Can anyone think up of another way to defend ourselves from terrorists who hid bombs in their body through rectum or vagina? Actual event occurred last year in this article, not at airport but INSIDE secure area. This technique have been instructed to terrorist network to avoid detection. Airports are next.

Any ideas?
 
LinuxGold said:
Can anyone think up of another way to defend ourselves from terrorists who hid bombs in their body through rectum or vagina? Actual event occurred last year in this article, not at airport but INSIDE secure area. This technique have been instructed to terrorist network to avoid detection. Airports are next.

Any ideas?
Click to expand...

all these terrorists came from outside USA... not inside. Why not implement the most stringent security screening internationally if the flights are bounded for America? Grope them. X-ray them. Strip them. I don't care. but not in America.
 
yizuman said:
Precisely...

And adopt Israel's Security measures at all airports, they do work. Their record shows they HAVE CAUGHT terrorists in action BEFORE they ever step foot on a plane.

TSA has no record of catching a terrorist BEFORE boarding a plane, it's only AFTER they got caught while on board. Proof that TSA security measures is a complete failure.

Yiz
Click to expand...

Pigeon-holing a suspect on a plane is probably much safer than making a scene at a terminal. Easier to control - fewer citizens that will panic and do something stupid.

...what is the Israeli method of Airport-terrorism prevention?...I'm occupied at the moment and will probably answer my own question later (US vs. Isaraeli vs. EU policies and procedures of security at airports).

Criticizing the TSA of doing a poor job of screening whilst demanding less sensitivity of scanners and fewer -or less intrusive- pat-downs is contradictory. It's similar to saying "Doctor, why didn't you catch my cancer earlier and I know I refused the CT scan that might've caught it then" and demand malpractice $. If a another kid isn't screened, do you blame the government for not allowing the backscatter scanner, or do you blame the parents for not knowing that someone on that flight slipped in a tool that caused the terrorism event?
 
Jiro said:
all these terrorists came from outside USA... not inside. Why not implement the most stringent security screening internationally if the flights are bounded for America? Grope them. X-ray them. Strip them. I don't care. but not in America.
Click to expand...

Remember 9/11? All terrorists came FROM INSIDE USA, attacked within.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Dulles, Washington DC
United Airlines Flight 93 - Newark, NJ
United Airlines Flight 175 - From BOSTON
 
I am not trying to defend TSA's current procedure, I'm totally against them, yes but, the BIG question is -- how do we defend ourselves from terrorists who try to implement this method?
 
LinuxGold said:
Remember 9/11? All terrorists came FROM INSIDE USA, attacked within.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Dulles, Washington DC
United Airlines Flight 93 - Newark, NJ
United Airlines Flight 175 - From BOSTON
Click to expand...

our new security measure won't do jack. it's the failure of cooperation and interoperability between CIA, Pentagon, DoD, CIA, INS, and more.... hence the creation of Department of Homeland Security.

INS red-flagged one of them (if I remembered it correctly). FBI field agent red-flagged some of them. all were ignored and shuffled away to bottom of the drawer by their superiors.
 
Jiro said:
our new security measure won't do jack. it's the failure of cooperation and interoperability between CIA, Pentagon, DoD, CIA, INS, and more.... hence the creation of Department of Homeland Security.

INS red-flagged one of them (if I remembered it correctly). FBI field agent red-flagged some of them. all were ignored and shuffled away to bottom of the drawer by their superiors.
Click to expand...

Right, it doesn't do jack. Terrorists successfully won the "mental warfare" on us, by demoralizing ourselves, mistrust and uncertainty of security. How do we win THAT "mental warfare"?

Let's forget about all agencies such as CIA, Pentagon, DoD, CIA, INS and what's what, what CAN we do to defend against that threat? What do you recommend that we do rather than blaming the past?
 
LinuxGold said:
Right, it doesn't do jack. Terrorists successfully won the "mental warfare" on us, by demoralizing ourselves, mistrust and uncertainty of security. How do we win THAT "mental warfare"?

Let's forget about all agencies such as CIA, Pentagon, DoD, CIA, INS and what's what, what CAN we do to defend against that threat? What do you recommend that we do rather than blaming the past?
Click to expand...

Amendment 2.
 
Back
Top