Lies about CI's

[jillio]

Because my daughter is REALLY, REALLY cute when she signs and I might send you a video of her in tears, signing for you not to be cruel to her mom?

Any child who is able to effectively communicate with those around her is REALLY, REALLY cute. And those being restricted by their environment are also REALLY, REALLY cute. Even the kids I work with, that are suffering from adjustment and identity issues because of the early environment they were in that was not conducive to understanding their deafness are REALLY, REALLY cute.

 

[jillio]

There have been a lot of new updates and posts in this thread and several others since I last logged on. Several of them are along the lines of what I have been thinking lately. I seriously question the reason behind why some posters are here. I think the vast majority of posters here are deaf, or want to learn about deafness, or want to meet someone deaf, etc. Yet it has become very obvious to most of us that some posters seem to identify nothing with us, argue everthing with us down to the bare semantics. It is wondered by many of us why this goes on. I took the first step last night after a certain post, to add 4 to my never-used before ignore list, and I'm aware others are starting to based on what I'm reading in posts and emails tonight.

It would appear that their chief motivation in being here is to convince the deaf that they have found the "best way", and that the deaf need to simply do what they say do, and all the problems will be solved.

Anyone else see history repeating itself? The hearing telling the deaf that they know more about deafness and the way it affects a deaf individual than the deaf, who have lived with it all their lives, know about it.

 

[overthepond]

Deafgal, Oh, I am so sorry I forgot, Yeah, I remember now, thank you for bringing it up, I only had one map (program) erased but I still had other programs to use so wasn't affected much. It was put back on at my next audi appt and since then I kept the Tumble dryer sheets in my pockets if I felt the static i just wipe my self down but it's rare now, it had been over a year since it happened, I think it happened during my first winter with CI. I still wear cotton shirts but the jacket/trousers is now polyester since every one inc the managers wears them... As long I am having no problem I think it will be fine.... touches wood :-s

 

[Oceanbreeze]

It would appear that their chief motivation in being here is to convince the deaf that they have found the "best way", and that the deaf need to simply do what they say do, and all the problems will be solved.

Anyone else see history repeating itself.

From my experience with seeing what happened to my deaf friends, yes.

 

[Daredevel7]

I don't believe they are "iffy". It isn't about working for some and not for others, it is about levels of benefit. To me, if you hear more than you did with a hearing aid, that is success. If you hear the same with it off as on, that would be "no benefit".

The bolded is exactly the kind of statement that makes you a blantant audist. "Some hearing is better than no hearing." And the shame of it is, your daughter is getting the message that the more she can hear, or act like she hears, the more approval and love and acceptance she will get. You are teaching her that her value as a human being is reliant on her hearing status.

Aren't you being a TAD harsh to FJ? She was simply stating that for her, if a CI gives you more hearing than a HA, then it works BETTER than a hearing aid, thus the CI is successful for that individual.

How is this the same thing as saying "Some hearing is better than no hearing"?

It's like saying "These prescription glasses work better than the old ones. Success!" then responding with "Oh so you think just because you can see better, you think you're better than people who can't see as well?"

 

[jillio]

Aren't you being a TAD harsh to FJ? She was simply stating that for her, if a CI gives you more hearing than a HA, then it works BETTER than a hearing aid, thus the CI is successful for that individual.

How is this the same thing as saying "Some hearing is better than no hearing"?

It's like saying "These prescription glasses work better than the old ones. Success!" then responding with "Oh so you think just because you can see better, you think you're better than people who can't see as well?"

No, I don't think I am being harsh. That statement reflecting "Some hearing is better than none" is the principle by which audism exists. And that is exactly what her statement suggests.

Actually, it would be closer to saying, "Well if you think you can see okay with those glasses, wait until we do the laser surgery!"

 

[deafgal001]

No, I don't think I am being harsh. That statement reflecting "Some hearing is better than none" is the principle by which audism exists. And that is exactly what her statement suggests.

Actually, it would be closer to saying, "Well if you think you can see okay with those glasses, wait until we do the laser surgery!"

my mom had a eye surgery on crossed eyes (Strabismus, She was born like that)... it did make her look better, but she can't see as well as a person who never had crossed eyes.
My aunt had laser eye surgery, unfortunately , she discovered that she have to start wearing glasses again.


despite all that, they do wonderfully

 

[jillio]

my mom had a eye surgery on crossed eyes (Strabismus, She was born like that)... it did make her look better, but she can't see as well as a person who never had crossed eyes.
My aunt had laser eye surgery, unfortunately , she discovered that she have to start wearing glasses again.


despite all that, they do wonderfully

Yep. Same situation as the CI not solving all the problems. And of "more sight is better than no sight" attitude. Your relatives are functioning very well. That statement is not a given. And it definately is not a given that "a little hearing is better than no hearing." But that is what some believe. (Clue: they are usually hearing!)

 

[faire_jour]

Aren't you being a TAD harsh to FJ? She was simply stating that for her, if a CI gives you more hearing than a HA, then it works BETTER than a hearing aid, thus the CI is successful for that individual.

How is this the same thing as saying "Some hearing is better than no hearing"?

It's like saying "These prescription glasses work better than the old ones. Success!" then responding with "Oh so you think just because you can see better, you think you're better than people who can't see as well?"

I was specifically talking about "some benefit (with a CI)" vs "no benefit (with a CI)". It has nothing to do with one person being better than another.

 

[jillio]

I was specifically talking about "some benefit (with a CI)" vs "no benefit (with a CI)". It has nothing to do with one person being better than another.

Then you need to take more care with the way you word things. Because your post was clearly implying that more hearing with a CI was better than less hearing with an HA.

 

[faire_jour]

Then you need to take more care with the way you word things. Because your post was clearly implying that more hearing with a CI was better than less hearing with an HA.

The point of implanting a cochlear implant is to provide more hearing. My post was saying that if the CI provides more hearing than the hearing aid, then that would be a "successful" implantation, a CI that provides benefit.

You read more into it because you chose to.

 

[Daredevel7]

Then you need to take more care with the way you word things. Because your post was clearly implying that more hearing with a CI was better than less hearing with an HA.

Just because you see it doesn't mean it exists.

 

[AlleyCat]

I can see it from both sides. On one hand, the average (and probably majority) of CI wearers gain more hearing in terms of DBs than the majority of those with HAs like myself. I'm not saying that to be down on HA users since I am one myself, but it is a fact that most of us who are deaf enough (in the severe-profound range) cannot get into the same DB range as CI wearers even with the most powerful HAs. I have heard of a few exceptions and I want those HAs !! But on the other hand, I see what many don't like, that "some hearing is better than no hearing". I have had countless friends tell me that their hearing is so poor even with HAs that all they get is distortion, staticky-type sounds, etc. and they end up putting their HAs in a drawer. In that case, some hearing is NOT better than no hearing, and it makes some feel like they are not trying hard enough or good enough when they would just as soon put their HAs away.

 

[Daredevel7]

Sigh...

How did this progress?

Person 1: "CI can make people hear better than a HA."

Person 2: "That is so audist. Some hearing is NOT better than no hearing at all."

Person 3: "Yea I know deaf people who do not use devices, and they are doing a master's thesis."

Person 4: "Yea I have a friend who has a CI and he works as a janitor, but my other deaf friends who have HAs are more successful."

Person 5: "I'm going to try to make things neutral. Sometimes the CI works for some people. Sometimes it doesn't work for others. Everyone makes their own choices. No one is better than anyone."

Person 1: "HUH?"

 

[naisho]

Person 6: There comes a time, when we heed a certain call. When the world, must come together as one.

Person 7:

Person 8: My son/daughter/niece..

Person 9: *Posts several months or weeks after thread is dead*

Person 1: NO U!

Note: 9 and 1 are in succession after the topic is closed.

 

[AlleyCat]

Sigh...

How did this progress?

Person 1: "CI can make people hear better than a HA."

Person 2: "That is so audist. Some hearing is NOT better than no hearing at all."

Person 3: "Yea I know deaf people who do not use devices, and they are doing a master's thesis."

Person 4: "Yea I have a friend who has a CI and he works as a janitor, but my other deaf friends who have HAs are more successful."

Person 5: "I'm going to try to make things neutral. Sometimes the CI works for some people. Sometimes it doesn't work for others. Everyone makes their own choices. No one is better than anyone."

Person 1: "HUH?"

It progresses that way because it's what some people have said to us. Not necessarily on this forum, but just in general life. I've encountered that myself.

 

[naisho]

Maybe it's just another way of kicking the can around. At work or during breaks and stuff. Some can giddy when they get that opportunity of proving another wrong.

I mean if no one argued about the oral/sign stuff it must get pretty boring here, we'd only have "hey guys my child.." or "my hearing aid/ci is ..." posts.

 

[posts from hell]

Sigh...

How did this progress?

Person 1: "CI can make people hear better than a HA."

Person 2: "That is so audist. Some hearing is NOT better than no hearing at all."

Person 3: "Yea I know deaf people who do not use devices, and they are doing a master's thesis."

Person 4: "Yea I have a friend who has a CI and he works as a janitor, but my other deaf friends who have HAs are more successful."

Person 5: "I'm going to try to make things neutral. Sometimes the CI works for some people. Sometimes it doesn't work for others. Everyone makes their own choices. No one is better than anyone."

Person 1: "HUH?"

Sorry you don't see it.

I've heard of people giving kids a trip to disney land after getting CI's... what is that supposed to tell the kids?? THAT is what Jillio is getting at.

If you don't see it... Well.

 

[deafgal001]

Sorry you don't see it.

I've heard of people giving kids a trip to disney land after getting CI's... what is that supposed to tell the kids?? THAT is what Jillio is getting at.

If you don't see it... Well.

i got the invitation too. but it isn't free

 

[rick48]

See, that's what happens if you guys take a break, anti-CI'ers take over and brainwashes everyone. An endless Sisyphus battle isn't it?

No, more like a roach infestation.