Lies about CI's

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faire_jour said:
I agree that in that situation, I may have stepped forward too early, but I really felt like that was the point of the post, (proving that a spoken language interpreter wasn't "enough" for a CI user) especially because of the title. Perhaps I was wrong. (But then the :roll: poster started bashing CIs again, and I got mad.)
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Heh....

That was not the intent of the thread. The fact is an ADer actually asked me the question, and I couldnt answer - so instead of relying on my own assumptions - I manned up and asked the general AD crowd for better feedback just because I am not know all. :) aha.
 
Mountain Man said:
but we do know that he has a natural and intuitive access to sign language, which is why my family is focusing on sign language for my son and will let him make his own decision, when he is old enough, about whether or not he wants cochlear implants.
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What makes you so sure about that? Do you really know what it is like to be deaf? And are you as an hearing person actually speaking for all of the deaf?

For your information, I do know of families that had a deaf child or deaf children that were able to get by without knowing any sign language and that was during the "pre-CI" days!
 
HHIssues said:
What makes you so sure about that? Do you really know what it is like to be deaf? And are you as an hearing person actually speaking for all of the deaf?

For your information, I do know of families that had a deaf child or deaf children that were able to get by without knowing any sign language and that was during the "pre-CI" days!
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That's really a shame.
 
HHIssues said:
What makes you so sure about that? Do you really know what it is like to be deaf? And are you as an hearing person actually speaking for all of the deaf?

For your information, I do know of families that had a deaf child or deaf children that were able to get by without knowing any sign language and that was during the "pre-CI" days!
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A question. Do you know Sign Language?
 
HHIssues said:
For your information, I do know of families that had a deaf child or deaf children that were able to get by without knowing any sign language and that was during the "pre-CI" days!
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I am one of them. No one is denying that it can happen. But....sounds like you have a problem with sign language itself? To be quite honest, I wouldn't be surprised that if I had Mountain Man as my dad, he probably would facilitate my speaking because I was a little chatterbox before I even knew how to speak. He probably would teach me ASL also, just in case. That is the definition of "holistic" approach.
 
There's a lot of pity, shame and condescension being heaped on the deaf in this thread. By other deaf. Exactly the issues so many here complain about experiencing within the hearing community. There's little difference between "oh, you had to grow up deaf, with only sign language, I'm so sorry, what a shame, sad" and "oh, you had to grow up deaf with spoken language, what a shame, I'm so sorry, sad."

It's so very disrespectful to jump on HHIssues for stating what should be glaringly obvious to all, but seems to be ignored in this small group of like-minded people: there are far, far more deaf and HOH who communicate without ASL than with, and many, many do so very successfully and happily. That's not to say this is the best approach for all, but you just can't say it isn't the best approach for some, when it's the deaf themselves supporting it.

You (you, me, any one of us) can't 'speak' for all deaf. I'd never claim that the way my daughter communicates, learns is best for all, and say or imply that other methodologies are crap. There are tools in that toolbox we all talk about that just don't fit, don't work for us that may drive in your screw just right. And I may not need that drill today, but tomorrow I may just find it useful. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. ASL is wielded like a hammer around here, but you just keep banging it on everything.
 
Grendel, the above post made me smile. Especially the first paragraph.
 
GrendelQ said:
There's a lot of pity, shame and condescension being heaped on the deaf in this thread. By other deaf. Exactly the issues so many here complain about experiencing within the hearing community. There's little difference between "oh, you had to grow up deaf, with only sign language, I'm so sorry, what a shame, sad" and "oh, you had to grow up deaf with spoken language, what a shame, I'm so sorry, sad."

It's so very disrespectful to jump on HHIssues for stating what should be glaringly obvious to all, but seems to be ignored in this small group of like-minded people: there are far, far more deaf and HOH who communicate without ASL than with, and many, many do so very successfully and happily. That's not to say this is the best approach for all, but you just can't say it isn't the best approach for some, when it's the deaf themselves supporting it.

You (you, me, any one of us) can't 'speak' for all deaf. I'd never claim that the way my daughter communicates, learns is best for all, and say or imply that other methodologies are crap. There are tools in that toolbox we all talk about that just don't fit, don't work for us that may drive in your screw just right. And I may not need that drill today, but tomorrow I may just find it useful. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. ASL is wielded like a hammer around here, but you just keep banging it on everything.
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okay?
 
Daredevel7 said:
I am one of them. No one is denying that it can happen. But....sounds like you have a problem with sign language itself? To be quite honest, I wouldn't be surprised that if I had Mountain Man as my dad, he probably would facilitate my speaking because I was a little chatterbox before I even knew how to speak. He probably would teach me ASL also, just in case. That is the definition of "holistic" approach.
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I actually don't know his background or if he has a problem with sign language.

When I was replying to his post, I was talking about the "families" part where a family has a child who doesn't have access to the speech range, so that child/children MUST get by with lip-reading the family if they don't know sign language. I'm not sure I understand why the parents and siblings won't/don't take the time to learn sign if the child can't hear speech. And, there are many of us in that exact same scenario.

So .. I'm curious, were you deaf as a child, or late-deafened? If you were deaf as a child, did you know sign then? If not, how did you communicate with family? Was it lip-reading? I'm just asking out of curiosity as I don't know your earlier years.
 
AlleyCat said:
I actually don't know his background or if he has a problem with sign language.

When I was replying to his post, I was talking about the "families" part where a family has a child who doesn't have access to the speech range, so that child/children MUST get by with lip-reading the family if they don't know sign language. I'm not sure I understand why the parents and siblings won't/don't take the time to learn sign if the child can't hear speech. And, there are many of us in that exact same scenario.

So .. I'm curious, were you deaf as a child, or late-deafened? If you were deaf as a child, did you know sign then? If not, how did you communicate with family? Was it lip-reading? I'm just asking out of curiosity as I don't know your earlier years.
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if you ask me, it was speechread. We had to wear a powerful Hearing aids, we don't hear everything so lipreading usually fill in the blank.. so both combined make out a word for us.

Like this:

lipreading "s" + Hearing with hearing aids "ick" = sick.
 
GrendelQ said:
There's a lot of pity, shame and condescension being heaped on the deaf in this thread. By other deaf. Exactly the issues so many here complain about experiencing within the hearing community. There's little difference between "oh, you had to grow up deaf, with only sign language, I'm so sorry, what a shame, sad" and "oh, you had to grow up deaf with spoken language, what a shame, I'm so sorry, sad."

It's so very disrespectful to jump on HHIssues for stating what should be glaringly obvious to all, but seems to be ignored in this small group of like-minded people: there are far, far more deaf and HOH who communicate without ASL than with, and many, many do so very successfully and happily. That's not to say this is the best approach for all, but you just can't say it isn't the best approach for some, when it's the deaf themselves supporting it.

You (you, me, any one of us) can't 'speak' for all deaf. I'd never claim that the way my daughter communicates, learns is best for all, and say or imply that other methodologies are crap. There are tools in that toolbox we all talk about that just don't fit, don't work for us that may drive in your screw just right. And I may not need that drill today, but tomorrow I may just find it useful. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. ASL is wielded like a hammer around here, but you just keep banging it on everything.
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And some of the oral deaf people made a joke in another thread about how "messed up" they were by being oral, and people freaked out! They said that they had no right to joke about it when "so many kids continue to suffer every day..." I think oral deaf people around here put up with a lot of crap, and rarely ever react. They are told that they must have suffered, they have no social skills, they have cognitive issues, they were limited, and on and on. But you know what, many of them are fine with the way they grew up! Unfortunately, those who were unhappy are much much louder than those who weren't.
 
deafgal001 said:
if you ask me, it was speechread. We had to wear a powerful Hearing aids, we don't hear everything so lipreading usually fill in the blank.. so both combined make out a word for us.

Like this:

lipreading "s" + Hearing with hearing aids "ick" = sick.
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That's exactly what I had to do. Fortunately, my parents and sister (my only sibling) learned sign language. So whenever I didn't understand something by speechreading or filling in the blanks, they signed.

Hence why I say it was a shame for those who didn't bother to learn sign for their child in that case.
 
faire_jour said:
you know what, many of them are fine with the way they grew up! Unfortunately, those who were unhappy are much much louder than those who weren't.
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They still complain about hearing people and the way they treat them because they are not hearing enough.
 
deafgal001 said:
They still complain about hearing people and the way they treat them because they are not hearing enough.
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Hmmm, I have never seen Daredevil, HHIssues, or Kokonut say those things....I'll have to look around....
 
faire_jour said:
Hmmm, I have never seen Daredevil, HHIssues, or Kokonut say those things....I'll have to look around....
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oh I sure they have their pet peeves.. but it doesn't mean they are unhappy.

most common one when hearing people too loud and slow.
 
AlleyCat said:
I actually don't know his background or if he has a problem with sign language.

When I was replying to his post, I was talking about the "families" part where a family has a child who doesn't have access to the speech range, so that child/children MUST get by with lip-reading the family if they don't know sign language. I'm not sure I understand why the parents and siblings won't/don't take the time to learn sign if the child can't hear speech. And, there are many of us in that exact same scenario.

So .. I'm curious, were you deaf as a child, or late-deafened? If you were deaf as a child, did you know sign then? If not, how did you communicate with family? Was it lip-reading? I'm just asking out of curiosity as I don't know your earlier years.
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I was born deaf. My mom knew something was wrong and finally took me to be tested when I was about a year old. I was fitted with HAs by 18 months old. Started speech therapy ~3 years old and did well so my mom put me in a private hearing school to take advantage of the smaller classes. I had a knack for lipreading (I was never taught, just somehow knew) so I was able to understand teachers, friends, and my family as long they faced me. Of course, it's not 100%. :)

I did learn SOME sign when I was a young teenager. My mom heard about a sign language class at church and thought it would be fun for us to go. We had a blast, but I forgot most of it within a few months. I learned sign again last year but retained some of it since I now have deaf friends who know ASL. Does that give you a better idea?
 
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