Lies about CI's

Status
Not open for further replies.
faire_jour said:
Just because some deaf people believe that ASL is best, does not mean that all of them do. There are plenty of deaf people who believe that spoken language is the priority. It is by no mean uncontested! Kokonut is deaf himself.
Click to expand...
And nowhere did I say that ASL was the best choice.
 
rick48 said:
Before you get to excited Mountain Man you should know that Jillio used to heap the same lavish praise upon FJ for raising her daughter with ASL and for educating her in a bi-bi school. FJ was a recipient of many of Jillio's coveted "bingos" and "yeppers" as well as ultimately achieving from Jillio the anointed status of a parent who "gets it".

But alas, all good things must come to an end and as FJ began to research the implant and then-gasp-chose to implant her child, the praise stopped. No more "bingos". No more "yeppers". FJ no longer was a parent who "got it" but instead she became to Jillio just like all the other parents of a successfully implanted child on this forum. Instead of praise she became subject to an almost daily barrage of venom and personal insults that as you can see, continues to this very day from the one, and thankfully, only Jillio.
Click to expand...
I do what I feel is in the best interest of my son and not to receive accolades from strangers on the internet. If people want to praise or condemn me for my decisions then more power to them. It makes no difference to me.
 
HHIssues said:
What makes you so sure about that? Do you really know what it is like to be deaf? And are you as an hearing person actually speaking for all of the deaf?
Click to expand...
I'm not sure what you're objecting to. Are you disagreeing with the statement that deaf individuals have a natural and intuitive access to sign language? I really don't see how that could be disputed.

HHIssues said:
For your information, I do know of families that had a deaf child or deaf children that were able to get by without knowing any sign language and that was during the "pre-CI" days!
Click to expand...
I feel sorry for those kids. It must be a terrible thing to be denied a natural language. The goal should not be to "get by" but to excel.
 
Mountain Man said:
I'm not sure what you're objecting to. Are you disagreeing with the statement that deaf individuals have a natural and intuitive access to sign language? I really don't see how that could be disputed.


I feel sorry for those kids. It must be a terrible thing to be denied a natural language. The goal should not be to "get by" but to excel.
Click to expand...

Why is spoken English not a "natural language"?
 
HHIssues said:
For your information, I do know of families that had a deaf child or deaf children that were able to get by without knowing any sign language and that was during the "pre-CI" days!
Click to expand...

Mountain Man said:
I'm not sure what you're objecting to. Are you disagreeing with the statement that deaf individuals have a natural and intuitive access to sign language? I really don't see how that could be disputed.


I feel sorry for those kids. It must be a terrible thing to be denied a natural language. The goal should not be to "get by" but to excel.
Click to expand...

Oh, I love that bolded part. You could not have said it any better! :)
 
Mountain Man said:
Gee, now why would an auditory language not be naturally accessible to someone who can't hear? That's a tough one. I'll have to get back to you on that.
Click to expand...

You didn't say accessible, you said that a deaf person who uses spoken language has been "denied a natural language". Also, many deaf people do have very good access to spoken language.
 
Mountain Man said:
Yes I did. In the post you quoted, I said that "deaf individuals have a natural and intuitive access to sign language".


But it's neither natural nor intuitive.
Click to expand...

You against antibotics, pacemakers and other "unnatural" interventions?
 
faire_jour said:
You against antibotics, pacemakers and other "unnatural" interventions?
Click to expand...

*facepalm*

Just let him have this one, man....

Just because it's natural that we are visual learners (which should be obvious in the first place) does NOT mean it's wrong for a deaf child to have HAs/CIs and try to use them to their full potential.

Just like how it's natural for the legally blind to listen for everything, doesn't make it wrong for them to use some device that provides visual access.
 
Oy vey. I could see what she wrote as you quoted it in your post.

Antibiotics. Pacemakers. ... Let's see, FJ, what else? You ran out of steam so you want to compare the natural instinct for sign, when speaking doesn't come naturally to those who don't hear spoken language, to antibiotics and pacemakers? You might as well keep going with your ridiculous list.
 
AlleyCat said:
Oy vey. I could see what she wrote as you quoted it in your post.

Antibiotics. Pacemakers. ... Let's see, FJ, what else? You ran out of steam so you want to compare the natural instinct for sign, when speaking doesn't come naturally to those who don't hear spoken language, to antibiotics and pacemakers? You might as well keep going with your ridiculous list.
Click to expand...

I was comparing implants to other "unnatural" interventions.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top