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AlleyCat said:
Same here. I don't know of a single one that wishes they didn't know or use ASL. But to each his or her own, I suppose.

It was very handy to have ASL for school (interpreters). I wish you had too, Shel. I just wish I was not mainstreamed in a school of 2,000 kids and no one to converse in ASL, so I was left out and bullied.
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Same here. I dont mind having "spoken English" skills but the whole environment without visual cues was just too restrictive.
 
faire_jour said:
Show me the "right" numbers. I showed the study that determined my numbers.
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No, you didn't. You used a quote from another article that cited "Moer, et.al). You did not provide a citation for what you quoted. And I know you didn't write it.

Additionally, all you show is a text citation from someone else's article. They also included a reference section that provides the whole citation so that "Moer, et.al" refers back to the reference section that includes title, publication, and page number.

So, actually what you have done is a classic example of plagiarism.
 
faire_jour said:
And the money that Deaf schools make from school districts?

"In 2000, Mohr et al. (2000) provided insight into the costs of providing students with a continuum of placement options. By their estimates the annual cost to run a residential school is around $53,200 per student. The cost of running a day school was significantly less at $28,200 per student. These numbers are compared to the annual cost of a self-contained classroom ($14,500), the cost of a resource room ($6,100), and finally the
cost of an inclusive program ($5,030)

"Over five billion dollars was devoted to instruction and related
services for deaf and hard of hearing students attending non-public school programs—" (in just one state)

What about interpreters? For every meeting, doctor appointment, college class, and on and on...
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Those figures are out of context. And you have not cited from where you copied and pasted them.

Just out of curiosity: why didn't you comment in the thread that was an ASL video of this topic and in a forum you usually hang out in?
 
faire_jour said:
"I don't like what your source says so I don't believe it"....that should be on the AD most common phrases list :roll:
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What source would that be? You haven't cited one. I would like to see it so I can access the original article.

The names in parenthesis are the citations of the author, which is accompanied by a complete citation in the paper so that the article he used can be accessed. You can't just post his citations without a complete citation, or you are providing incomplete information.

Is there a reason you don't want AD members to read the whole article? There isn't even a title.
 
faire_jour said:
And you can provide the information that shows that these are all deaf, and not Deaf people?
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Statistics showing that do not use the cultural definition of deaf, nor do they use the designation of HOH. It includes every person with a significant hearing loss.
 
faire_jour said:
Because there are plenty of people who like their hearing devices and deserve to have the right to see an audiologist.
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So pay for it. Don't take it out of the pockets of other deaf students and employed adults.
 
sheila022 said:
How do you propose to do this? I have an impression PFH seems to want to make ASL mandatory for all deafies.

Hire more qualified teachers? Better school facility? Etc? Are the teachers themselves qualified enough to teach students?

How can we encourage and nurture the children's ambitions and drive that can serve them later in life? Those things aren't easy to use money on. It's the attitudes amongst the parents, teachers, government, and society, not a matter of funding.
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PFH does not want to make ASL mandatory for all deafies.

It most certainly is a matter of funding, when more money is being channeled into the medical side of deafness than the educational side. Forget the medical side. It is unnecessary. Since it is elective, let the person electing such pay for it. Education is mandatory for all children. Put the medical funds into the educational funds and you won't have to worry about unemployed or underemployed deaf adults.
 
sheila022 said:
Like yourself, PFH who never finished college. Maybe you want to go back to school and set an example for the younger generation of deafies? :P
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He is an excellent role model as is. He is a productive, working adult that contributes to society and works for the good of his community.
 
souggy said:
Are these people calling us extremists because we choose to dictate our thoughts in a mode they can comprehend on a platform that has virtually no privacy?

There's a lot more nastier stuff in spoken vlogs, signed vblogs, on Facebook and "behind the scene" discussions at oral seminars; oral as in the mode, not the philosophy.
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If they think we are extremists, they should have been around a few years ago. There was an extremist here that would have chewed them up and spit them out!:lol:

No, they label us extremists because we take the deaf perspective and it disagrees with their hearing perspective. It is kind of like in the political threads when people throw out the word "socialist" as a way to invoke fear, but have no idea what a socialist is and have never encountered one. Same tactic, different thread and topic.
 
shel90 said:
She is always bringing in the costs of Deaf schools but it seems like the fact that Deaf schools employ deaf people is forgotten.
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Exactly. Where are Deaf teachers supposed to teach? Would she rather they all be collecting SSDI?
 
GrendelQ said:
The vast majority of deaf and HOH I encounter were raised and believe in what's pretty negatively called an 'oral deaf' education, many without ASL.

On this online forum, the dynamic is shifted heavily the other way, with a focus on ASL and a strong antipathy towards those who choose CIs.

I listen to the deaf. All deaf, not just those here online at Alldeaf whom many deaf elsewhere describe as extremists, not representative of the very broad and heterogeneous deaf community around the world. If I were to swing with the majority deaf perspective, I wouldn't be taking the bi-bi educational and language approach I am taking with my daughter, we wouldn't have embarked on ASL as her first language. So, you see, I listen and synthesize, and then I make my own decision based on what works for my daughter. Not based on what fits with some stranger's principles.

So, if you find that we're disagreeing, don't accuse me of not listening to the deaf. I may be doing exactly that -- whether it's my daughter's needs or the cumulative wisdom of the deaf community outside these blue boxes. This place has a valid perspective, but it doesn't represent the majority deaf view.
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Perhaps your contact has been so limited as to not understand that it does, indeed represent the majority and is a perfect representation of the Deaf Perspective.

I would suggest that perhaps the limited number of people you have encountered in a few short years in a specific geographic location are in the minority, rather than the diverse population we have at AD. This population is far more representative of the deaf community.
 
jillio said:
Exactly. Where are Deaf teachers supposed to teach? Would she rather they all be collecting SSDI?
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People complain about the costs of deaf schools and they complain about deaf people not working.

Make up your minds, people!

Have programs that will employ a large number of deaf people or put deaf people out of jobs?

Which is it that they want?
 
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