Legal Showdown - Arizona's Immigration Law

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I like our current laws - they don't coddle law breakers.

Here's an idea, stop rewarding illegals with taxpayer money. Instead, use taxpayer money to seal the border.

They should set up motion detector machine gun nests aimed south. They should also plant mines all along the border and flood any tunnels found.

Much cheaper than building a wall.

You don't fix a drug problem by making drugs legal (oh, my friggin gawd!)

Europeans did. and they have the last laugh.

Here's an idea - stop rewarding the drug cartels with $$$$$ and Cadillacs. Instead - use your money to fix your drug addiction.

motion detectors. machine guns. soldiers. mines. they all cost money. and the cost goes up every year. It's cheaper to fix our drug problem than doing all these stuff.
 
I like our current laws - they don't coddle law breakers.

Here's an idea, stop rewarding illegals with taxpayer money. Instead, use taxpayer money to seal the border.

They should set up motion detector machine gun nests aimed south. They should also plant mines all along the border and flood any tunnels found.

Much cheaper than building a wall.

You don't fix a drug problem by making drugs legal (oh, my friggin gawd!)

Good luck with overcrowded prisons, increase of prisoners per ratio and strain alot of taxpayers that could leading state goes bankrupt or heavily debt in near future.
 
Obviously it is easier and cheaper to seal the border. Troops can be there in a month.

Ending drug problems in this country by changing laws is a pipe dream (Pun Intended)

and that's what Arizona did. They ran out of money. They were demanding the North to give more money. gimmi gimmi gimmi. Perhaps Arizona should focus on cracking down on employers and drug rings in its state first? Focus on what is attracting illegals to enter Arizona and it'll fix most of Arizona's problem.
 
Um... not a good idea.

yea especially for motocross racers. (offroad motorcyclists). There are tons of them in southern area.
 
Good luck with overcrowded prisons, increase of prisoners per ratio and strain alot of taxpayers that could leading state goes bankrupt or heavily debt in near future.

we are already bankrupting. all thanks to our misguided drug laws. you hear about severe budget cuts on education, teacher, etc. but no budget cut for our drug war? shameless :roll:
 
why do you care about what the North says? It's your state. Just don't ask us to cover the cost of your blunder. :cool2:

Arizona has been whining to us for years to give them more money for its National Guards watching the Arizona-Mexico border. what the heck is this? gimmi gimmi gimmi? :roll:

Perhaps Arizona should audit its spending and see where their money has been going to. Chance is - the finding is not going to look pretty especially for politicians and certain powerful people.

I couldn't care less about what the north says, personally.

It's true Arizona asked for the Federal government to do it's job.....and the federal government made a half-assed attempt. Now when Arizona tries to do something about it.....people start their whining.

And talk about smokescreens. People in other states SAY they have questions about the AZ law but it is obvious they are more concerned with cockroach theory. The theory that says when the problem is treated in just one area it will just spread to the surrounding areas. Our federal government and liberals are content to contain the problem to certain regions rather than confront the problem.
 
Good luck with overcrowded prisons, increase of prisoners per ratio and strain alot of taxpayers that could leading state goes bankrupt or heavily debt in near future.

We could make it legal to shoot them when they cross illegally.....Solves the prison problem for ya. :)
 
beside... ya'all support Amendment 2 and that we should be walking around with guns on our belts. It would reduces many crimes like robbery, rape, etc, yes? This is a cost-effective and simple policy to combat against crimes because we don't need to pay extra million dollars to install dozens of security cameras around the town/city, hire more police officers, etc.

We don't need to enact a security wall around the community to protect us from criminals. It will still happen anyway. Legalize Amendment 2 and it will fix bunch of our problems :cool2:

Proof - DC gun ban failed. Chicago gun ban failed. This Great Wall of Arizona (and Texas) will fail.
 
Socrates on Illegal Immigration
by Victor Davis Hanson
Tribune Media Services

After Socrates was convicted by a court of questionable charges, his friends planned to break him out of his jail in Athens. But the philosopher refused to flee. Instead, he insisted that a citizen who lived in a consensual society should not pick and choose which laws he finds convenient to obey.

Selective compliance, Socrates warned, would undermine the moral integrity of the entire legal system, ensuring anarchy. And so, as Plato tells us, the philosopher accepted the court's death sentence and drank the deadly hemlock.

Socrates' final lesson about the sanctity of the law is instructive now in our current debate over illegal immigration.

There are, of course, many objections to illegal immigration besides that it is against the law: Unlawful workers undermine the wages of our own citizen entry-level workers. Employers who depend on imported labor find common ground with ethnic chauvinists; they both exploit a large, vulnerable and unassimilated constituency. And security analysts warn us that it is insane to allow a 2,000-mile open border at a time when terrorist infiltrators are planning to kill us.

Yet few have criticized illegal immigration solely because millions have, with impunity, flouted the law — aliens, their employers and the officials who look the other way.

But Socrates would do just that, and also point to our hypocrisy.

The alien from Mexico chooses which American laws he finds convenient. He wants our border police to leave him alone — until he becomes lost in the desert or is attacked by robbers.

The employer expects trespassing laws to be enforced to keep vagrants off his premises, but then assumes that the same vigilant police will ignore the illegal status of his cheap labor force.

And does the city council that orders its policemen not to turn over arrested illegal aliens to the border patrol similarly allow townspeople to ignore their municipal tax bills?

When thousands operate cars without state-mandated licenses and car insurance, why should other drivers bother to purchase them? If police pull over motorists and do not verify the legal status of aliens, why do they check for outstanding arrest warrants of citizens?

Ignoring the law is not only hypocritical and anarchical; it also creates cynicism. Recently, I listened to friends relate that the government had indicted some Indian immigrants on charges of arranging bogus marriages to gain citizenship. My friends half-jokingly wondered why the culprits hadn't simply flown to Mexico and tried to sneak across the border!

So, besides the money to be made on both sides of the border, why do we disregard the immigration laws?

Are the laws wrong and cruel, and even if they are, would it be moral to ignore them? The answers are no and no.

Employing illegal workers drives down the wages of the legal poor. Cutting ahead in the immigration line is unfair to immigrants who wait years to enter America legally. Mexico wants money from aliens to prop up its failures at home but cares little how such remittances burden poorer Mexican wage earners abroad. In other words, breaking the immigration law is not really civil disobedience but, typically, an expression of jaded self-interest by workers, employers and government officials.

Nevertheless, what distinguishes the U.S. from nations in the Middle East, Africa and, yes, Mexico is the sanctity of our legal system. The terrain of Mexico may be indistinguishable from the landscape across the border in the U.S. But when it comes to the law, there is a grand canyon between us.

Only on one side of the border is title to private property sacrosanct, are police held accountable and is banking conducted transparently. Public hiring in America is based on civil service law, and judges are autonomous. And the American public has a legal right to investigate and even sue its government. That maze of legality helps to explain everything from why the water is safer to drink in San Diego than in Tijuana to why a worker makes $12 an hour in Fresno but less than $1 in Oaxaca.

Yet once we as a nation choose to ignore our keystone laws of sovereignty and citizenship, the entire edifice of a once unimpeachable legal system will collapse. Ironically, we would then become no different from those nations whose citizens are now fleeing to our own shores to escape the wages of lawlessness.

That worry is why Socrates, 2,400 years ago, taught us that the deliberate violation of the rule of law would have been worse for ancient Athens even than losing its greatest philosopher.

©2006 Tribune Media Services
 
We could make it legal to shoot them when they cross illegally.....Solves the prison problem for ya. :)

Very inhuman and violate of 8th Amendment.

It could be act of war on between US and MEX if we shoot at illegal immigrants.
 
beside... ya'all support Amendment 2 and that we should be walking around with guns on our belts. It would reduces many crimes like robbery, rape, etc, yes? This is a cost-effective and simple policy to combat against crimes because we don't need to pay extra million dollars to install dozens of security cameras around the town/city, hire more police officers, etc.

We don't need to enact a security wall around the community to protect us from criminals. It will still happen anyway. Legalize Amendment 2 and it will fix bunch of our problems :cool2:

Proof - DC gun ban failed. Chicago gun ban failed. This Great Wall of Arizona (and Texas) will fail.

Is the minefield between Israel and Palestine failing?
 
we are already bankrupting. all thanks to our misguided drug laws. you hear about severe budget cuts on education, teacher, etc. but no budget cut for our drug war? shameless :roll:

All this is why I don't think such a wall is a good idea. Cost is too much too high given our already strained budget. Even if we had money, I don't think it'd be as effective.
 
Very inhuman and violate of 8th Amendment.

It could be act of war on between US and MEX if we shoot at illegal immigrants.

Mexico has already done "acts of war" on Americans.

You remember? 2 U.S. Government employees were shot and killed?
 
Very inhuman and violate of 8th Amendment.

It could be act of war on between US and MEX if we shoot at illegal immigrants.

I see you have beat me to it on this one. We're already at war with 2 other countries and we don't need more wars given our strained budget.
 
Is the minefield between Israel and Palestine failing?

the headline about an American citizen or an illegal child stepping on mine right here on American soil.

oh the horror...

that's why I live in America, not Israel. I don't want to live in country that uses minefield, military checkpoints with 50-cal pointing at my face, and bulldozes people's homes (and people).
 
the headline about an American citizen or an illegal child stepping on mine right here on American soil.

oh the horror...

that's why I live in America, not Israel. I don't want to live in country that uses minefield, military checkpoints with 50-cal pointing at my face, and bulldozes people's homes (and people).

We helped them build it.
 
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