Legal Showdown - Arizona's Immigration Law

[deafskeptic]

Mexico can't help us or themselves if a huge portion of government and its police are corrupted and tied to drug business..... like NYPD back in 1970's. There was a serious crackdown and about 75% of NYPD's drug force was found corrupted.

It's sad to see that Mexico had to bring in army to do police duty because they do not trust their own police and also to arrest police officers

it concerns me because if it's widespread enough, the government there could collapse.

 

[Jiro]

it concerns me because if it's widespread enough, the government there could collapse.

that's why cutting the fund to them or enacting an economic embargo on Mexico does not make sense. It will only hasten the fate of collapse. If it collapses - that problem will spill into America to even worse one. We don't want that, do we?

Their problem is our problem but our problem is making their problem bigger and worse because drug cartels in Mexico and South America are growing and transporting drugs thru Mexico to feed our drug addictions.

If we fix our drug problems at home, then the drug cartels will have to seek somewhere else but there's no other country who would pay for drugs as much as Americans do. We're basically a gold pot for them. That's why drug cartels are extremely well-funded and well-equipped. Some of them have military-grade weapons and they possibly have their hands on highly-classified sensitive technology that will jeopardize our covert operations such as night visions, eavesdropping technology, etc.

 

[jillio]

that's why cutting the fund to them or enacting an economic embargo on Mexico does not make sense. It will only hasten the fate of collapse. If it collapses - that problem will spill into America to even worse one. We don't want that, do we?

Their problem is our problem but our problem is making their problem bigger and worse because drug cartels in Mexico and South America are growing and transporting drugs thru Mexico to feed our drug addictions.

If we fix our drug problems at home, then the drug cartels will have to seek somewhere else but there's no other country who would pay for drugs as much as Americans do. We're basically a gold pot for them. That's why drug cartels are extremely well-funded and well-equipped.

**jillio vigorously nodding**

 

[TXgolfer]

that's why cutting the fund to them or enacting an economic embargo on Mexico does not make sense. It will only hasten the fate of collapse. If it collapses - that problem will spill into America to even worse one. We don't want that, do we?

Their problem is our problem but our problem is making their problem bigger and worse because drug cartels in Mexico and South America are growing and transporting drugs thru Mexico to feed our drug addictions.

If we fix our drug problems at home, then the drug cartels will have to seek somewhere else but there's no other country who would pay for drugs as much as Americans do. We're basically a gold pot for them. That's why drug cartels are extremely well-funded and well-equipped. Some of them have military-grade weapons and they possibly have their hands on highly-classified sensitive technology that will jeopardize our covert operations such as night visions, eavesdropping technology, etc.

This again sounds like a great argument for sealing the border.

 

[kokonut]

This again sounds like a great argument for sealing the border.

Right. Not to mention sending in the National Guards in support of ICE at the border....and not 60 miles away from the border.

 

[Jiro]

This again sounds like a great argument for sealing the border.

good luck building a Great Wall of USA on all 4 corners and then hope for best... which will utterly fail and possibly bankrupt this country. Another hundreds of billions dollars wasted when a a very tiny fraction of it could be better spent on fixing our current drug problem like... scaling down our drug war policy... revising our drug laws by legalizing marijuana... and focusing more on rehabilitation process for drug addicts rather than incarcerating them for long time or even life.

 

[Jiro]

Right. Not to mention sending in the National Guards in support of ICE at the border....and not 60 miles away from the border.

that is what Arizona has doing - long before this new immigration law. Not doing a great job there, eh? and now making local police officers doing the job that their National Guards have failed to do so?

 

[TXgolfer]

This illegal immigration problem is a clever smokescreen for our drug problem. You will see that when it comes to real solid math and truth... our illegal immigration problem is actually not as bad as you think. It's minuscule compared to our drug problems.

Hardly, both are large problems. The only difference is that one is more widespread.

This Arizona's immigration law is a farce. It's a desperate attempt to revive the Republican Party for 2012 Presidential Election. same old fear tactic - terrorism. illegals. socialism. they're out there to kill you and rape your women. :roll:

Arizona is simply being proactive in confronting the problems that are affecting the state. Opinions like yours are a large part of the problem. If the feds were handling the problem a state law wouldn't be necessary. But, many people have an opinion like yours that illegal immigration is a small problem. That leaves Arizona with no choice but to try to handle the problem themselves. It has nothing to do with politics.

:shrug:

 

[TXgolfer]

good luck building a Great Wall of USA on all 4 corners and then hope for best... which will utterly fail and possibly bankrupt this country. Another hundreds of billions dollars wasted when a a very tiny fraction of it could be better spent on fixing our current drug problem like... scaling down our drug war policy... revising our drug laws by legalizing marijuana... and focusing more on rehabilitation process for drug addicts rather than incarcerating them for long time or even life.

Thousands of Texans are willing to do it now......as volunteers. I am one of them.

 

[Jiro]

Hardly, both are large problems. The only difference is that one is more widespread.

Arizona is simply being proactive in confronting the problems that are affecting the state. Opinions like yours are a large part of the problem. If the feds were handling the problem a state law wouldn't be necessary. But, many people have an opinion like yours that illegal immigration is a small problem. That leaves Arizona with no choice but to try to handle the problem themselves. It has nothing to do with politics.

My opinion is based on facts. Look at the drug statistic and then look at illegal immigration statistic. Which one is costly? and bigger? How many times do we read "Drug" in headlines? and "Illegals"?

Proof? Look at Virginia - Prince Williams County enforcing same immigration law as Arizona back in 2003.

It wasn’t that the police stopped that many people. Since March, 265 were questioned about their status and 138 of them were arrested, according to county data. Sixty-six were released without charges and 59 were cited for minor offenses. Two were found to be legal residents.

Please tell me this is a good use of our extremely limited funds. Makes you wonder why they softened it up and changed it over time.

 

[Jiro]

Thousands of Texans are willing to do it now......as volunteers. I am one of them.

that's fine. Go ahead. It's your state. Just don't ask for federal fund but you'll see your own blunder in the end. It's unsustainable and costly in the long run. Good luck maintaining the Great Wall of Texas once it's built. let me know how it goes.

 

[TXgolfer]

Both are costly

 

[Jiro]

Both are costly

indeed it is. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

One problem is actually easier to fix and cost-effective and that will automatically fix other problem without having to spend too much on it.

So the big question is - which problem is easier and cost-effective to fix? and no we can't do both at same time.

 

[Steinhauer]

I find anyone who quotes Ayn Rand as support of a position to be less than credible, and quite disturbing to boot.

Fantastic, I will be sure to quote often from Ayn Rand here on out .

 

[TXgolfer]

that's fine. Go ahead. It's your state. Just don't ask for federal fund but you'll see your own blunder in the end. It's unsustainable and costly in the long run. Good luck maintaining the Great Wall of Texas once it's built. let me know how it goes.

That's exactly how it should be. If a state wants to be proactive and defend itself that is their call. They shouldn't have to put up with alot of whining from the North.

 

[deafskeptic]

that's why cutting the fund to them or enacting an economic embargo on Mexico does not make sense. It will only hasten the fate of collapse. If it collapses - that problem will spill into America to even worse one. We don't want that, do we?

Their problem is our problem but our problem is making their problem bigger and worse because drug cartels in Mexico and South America are growing and transporting drugs thru Mexico to feed our drug addictions.

If we fix our drug problems at home, then the drug cartels will have to seek somewhere else but there's no other country who would pay for drugs as much as Americans do. We're basically a gold pot for them. That's why drug cartels are extremely well-funded and well-equipped. Some of them have military-grade weapons and they possibly have their hands on highly-classified sensitive technology that will jeopardize our covert operations such as night visions, eavesdropping technology, etc.

Well said.

All this is going to have a domino effect on the USA - should the Mexican government collapse.

A wall spanning the border states could turn out to be as effective as Maginot line due to the prohibitive cost of maintaining such a wall - especially considering our budget strapped border states. I also can think of ways of getting around this wall and I'm sure the illegals can think of even more ways to get around it.

And the effect is likely to spill over into the USA. Indeed thee are reports of kidnapping by those cartels in the USA. It will get worse should the the governemnt collapse.

I think a combination of repealing our laws regarding pot and expanding our drug rehabitive programs will be needed to combat the drug cartels.

Also the Mexican government is going to need help combating the widespread corruption though I'm not sure how that should be done. If none of this is addressed, I don't want to think of what it will be like 10 years from now.

 

[Steinhauer]

good luck building a Great Wall of USA on all 4 corners and then hope for best... which will utterly fail and possibly bankrupt this country. Another hundreds of billions dollars wasted when a a very tiny fraction of it could be better spent on fixing our current drug problem like... scaling down our drug war policy... revising our drug laws by legalizing marijuana... and focusing more on rehabilitation process for drug addicts rather than incarcerating them for long time or even life.

I like our current laws - they don't coddle law breakers.

Here's an idea, stop rewarding illegals with taxpayer money. Instead, use taxpayer money to seal the border.

They should set up motion detector machine gun nests aimed south. They should also plant mines all along the border and flood any tunnels found.

Much cheaper than building a wall.

You don't fix a drug problem by making drugs legal (oh, my friggin gawd!)

 

[deafskeptic]

Fantastic, I will be sure to quote often from Ayn Rand here on out .

As far as I'm concerned, her philosophy is fit only for narcissists and sociopaths.

 

[Jiro]

That's exactly how it should be. If a state wants to be proactive and defend itself that is their call. They shouldn't have to put up with alot of whining from the North.

why do you care about what the North says? It's your state. Just don't ask us to cover the cost of your blunder.

Arizona has been whining to us for years to give them more money for its National Guards watching the Arizona-Mexico border. what the heck is this? gimmi gimmi gimmi? :roll:

Perhaps Arizona should audit its spending and see where their money has been going to. Chance is - the finding is not going to look pretty especially for politicians and certain powerful people.

 

[TXgolfer]

indeed it is. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

One problem is actually easier to fix and cost-effective and that will automatically fix other problem without having to spend too much on it.

So the big question is - which problem is easier and cost-effective to fix? and no we can't do both at same time.

Obviously it is easier and cheaper to seal the border. Troops can be there in a month.

Ending drug problems in this country by changing laws is a pipe dream (Pun Intended)