Ladies: would you vote for Palin?

[Jiro]

what I said that she enjoy to fire at bear cubs in trees because the bears live in forest (woods)... I stand my POV... I really have no idea why you have the problem with my POV and have no problem with ADers nasty POV on Palin... *scratch my head* I can express what I think of Palin what I want after learn what and how Palin did to animals... What I express my POV after learn from the Alaska websites about her and animal, is not false inflammatory. If you think Alaska websites is false infammatory then tell them, not me.

lol.

Shooting at cubs in tree or in forest from plane/helicopter? that is not...... possible.... unless she has Superman's X-ray vision or the cub's standing on top of the tree, waving at Palin.

 

[Angel]

Of course what I said that she enjoy to fire at bear cubs in trees because the bears live in forest (woods)..

What kind of glasses was she wearing that day or was she holding a magnifying glass?..

 

[Jiro]

What kind of glasses was she wearing that day or was she holding a magnifying glass?..

so that's why she wears glasses..

 

[Liebling:-)))]

lol.

Shooting at cubs in tree or in forest from plane/helicopter? that is not...... possible.... unless she has Superman's X-ray vision or the cub's standing on top of the tree, waving at Palin.

Angel´s post
What kind of glasses was she wearing that day or was she holding a magnifying glass?..

I have seen the video at McCain´s ad or any Alaska's websites somewhere in google... They filmed many wolves runs, walk and sit in the forest from the plane... it look like that they can see them... *shrug* Wolves´ movement is beautiful... something like movement free and happy expression...

BUT... cubs/pups? - it could be that they get out of the plane and walk into the forest or ???... It´s just my suggestion.

 

[Foxrac]

I don't support at above red bold either. But why you are against Animal in Circus? I don't think it's cruel. I thought it's so funny and cute like Pet's Star. Did you know in Germany and Russia have a Circus? Can you explain to me why you don't support the animals in circus?


Check it out. I am concern about Obama's plan. It's serious not kidding. I found a newspaper through my step dad's newspaper. I typed an articles and found it on google. It's TRUE not BS. Check it out. What do you think?
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No, the conflict with between Russia and Georgia has been caused by territories issue, it has nothing with oil issues from Georgia, also there's nothing to do have situation with USA, it's just between Russia and Georgia, war for conflict has been ended but remain military service on border of between Russia and Georgia, they are in processing to be solve itself.

Russia isn't communist anymore, it has been federal presidential republic since 1991 after collapsed of USSR, Russia has very similar freedom as USA does.

Speaking of you are gone, if USA want launch an war against Russia then Russia could launch the nuclear weapon on US soil then all of us will be GONE, including you, USA and possibly surrounding countries (Mexico and Canada) would be into contaminated, it's means very high radiation. Nuclear weapon in today is MUCH MUCH worse than nuclear bomb in Japan during WW2 time. We don't learn the mistake from Vietnam war, we had been into war for more than 10 years then we don't won to save South Vietnam.

Everyone has rights to not support her due disagree with her views or related, also they can criticize against her if they want too, that's their choice. Don't take their post so personally or you would get more problems in this forum.

RNC? No, I don't need watch this crap, we had done for almost 8 years and republican aren't doing good job at overall, even more worse after invasion of Iraq, credit crisis, mortgage/real estate crisis and cause of recession. Bush is used had plan about improve the economy but he don't make it, I know McCain-Palin would not going make it either since they are more care about war. I want end the war and getting deal with that. To be compare, Bill Clinton has great views of economy plan and he made it, he almost paid all debt off but now, our debt is getting more worse. I have no totally respect for republican party anymore, they aren't good as in half century ago and 80's.

[Mod's edit: Religion discussion removed]

If you need source to be truth then go check McCain or Obama's website, that's only truth about how they are support, views and others, also Snopes is good source to correct the bias and rumor.

Gay couples could get sperm to be share with lesbian or woman who accept sperm exchange to make babies for them, it's part of other methods for them, just more than adoption only, also if more children are adopted then would be much less overcrowded at adoption service.

Some married straight couple don't have kids either, even they don't want but just want be marry for varies of reason, such as tax discount and romantic.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

huh? feeble excuse? over thousand years? maybe it's because they've been around for over thousand years since there were no human interventions nor human intrusions. Now that we're "invading" their eco-system, destroying their nature..... now wildlife requires human intervention to keep nature in balance. this is same for Africa. They are dying.

In Africa, they control to make sure there're no illegal hunters around but not shoot them for pleasure (trophy, games, etc.) or control their overpopulation but the foods.

Why must we control everything? Look an example about Native Americans…they are for nature and valued all creatures.

The fact is wild animals coexisted for thousands years without any human interference... Neither disappeared.

Alaskan Trout is dying. Grizzly Bear is dying. Polar Bear is dying. well just about everything is dying. About your mouse example.... it's fallacious because this is a small rodent which breed rapidly. Heck... just because there are mice everywhere doesn't mean mice isn't dying. There are many different species of mice. Chance is... with many cats around your village... probably a few species of mice died out and another species of mice came in.

Unfortunately, caribou, moose, etc. do not breed that fast like mice and they are big animals. Big animals tend to die out first and fast.

Okay, let forget our discussion over mice issues because they are very small animals to big animals.

Let discuss about population issues - big animals...

I search wild animal population in Alaska before I work out by division...

It written in 3 links about Alaska wild animals...

150,000 mooses

moose statistics

Over million caribous

Alaska Wildlife: Moose, bear, caribou, wolves

7,000 to 11,000 wolves

Alaska Wolves Background - Defenders of Wildlife


Okay for now... I divided million caribous into 500,000 and 150,000 mooses into 75,000...

500,000 caribou divided by 7,000 wolves to 71.43 caribous per wolf.
75,000 divided by 7,000 wolves into 10.71 mooses per wolf.

It couldn't be that a wolf eat 71 caribous or 10 moose a day?

Normally, 3 or more wolves eat one caribou or moose a day. After that, they can survive without eat for days to weeks and then hunt for the food only if they are hungry.

Good information about wolves
Wolf Friends

Wolves are predators. That means they kill and eat other animals for food. Depending on where they live, wolves live mainly on the meat from such animals as deer, moose, elk or bison. They also eat beavers, rabbits and even mice. They do not eat humans. In fact, wolves are very shy around people and try to avoid them in the wild. Because they usually hunt for large animals, the wolves work together to catch their prey. They usually catch animals that are sick, injured, very old or very young, because they are easier to catch. Wolves will eat a healthy, strong animal if they can catch it. Wolves need an average of three to ten pounds of meat each day. Hunting is not always successful, so their bodies are designed to feast (eat a lot) or famine (eat nothing). Wolves can eat as much as 22 pounds of meat at a time and then may not eat again for many days.

That's why I consider use those word "overpoluation" as a feeble excuse!!!

Your argument over population issues is a fallacious.


I noticed that we didn't discuss about bears much... Is bear overpopulation reason why they have to kill? If yes, then is also feeble excuse, too.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The only problem is that she STILL don't get it. I don't think it will ever go through in her head to understand this large picture.

Check my response post #310 to Jiro over Alaska wild animals population... I know what I am saying...

You can't get that I support hunt the animals for the FOODS and WARM, not pleasure (thropy, games, completetion, etc.)

If Palin is a wildlife control due animal polutation as what you beleive in then ban trophy, games and do spayed and neutered pups/cubs instead of kill them... kill wolves and bears for overpopulation? throphy games? I see no excuse for that...To me, they enjoy watching the wolves suffer... for the fun... throphy games.. completetion...

including video...

https://secure.defenders.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=c406_090308palinwolf

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm sure she understands it but ignoring this because a baby wolf is simply just too damn cute.

That's why I posted in my thread that I cannot debate with people who are illogical and overly emotional. I guess that's just life. I've learned how to accept it and live with it.

Yes, that's right I understand what it's about but it's not that I ignore this but I know the fact is use the word "overpopulation" is one of feeble excuses.

Yes, I try to control my emotion about cute pups/cubs. If I am emotion as what you think then I would call nasty names on Palin but I didn't. I only give out the information and express my POV about wolves and bears issues because kill them for pleasure is very wrong. It explains why over 70% Alaskans including hunters voted against it.

I control my emotion when I debate in several threads like abortion, etc. I know it's hard because I'm soft for human babies... I don't call them nasty names like murder, etc but respect their choice. It's sign of emotion if I call nasty names on them...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well. I am sorry if you're sick of me being pick on Liberal Negative. But Why liberal people are picking on conservative is a negative? Can we be fair to pick on Liberal each other? My mom and my stepdad are watching FOX News. They are elder years. They said Fox News is not a Bias. CNN and MSNBC are bad about politics. But CNN, MSNBC and FOX are same weather advisory, good & bad news, health and more. But the politics are bad. Because 2 much issues.

No, I do not see anything that ADers use those word "conservative" to pick on ADers negatively but only you... You are one who use those word "liberal" to pick on ADers. We (ADers) are human being and entitle our POV. We think different what we beleive in which medias is better. Each person is different.

Why I should care or believe in gossip to against McCain/Palin? Honestly, I personally don't like gossiping and stabbing back. There is no proof it. But I do believe in true rumors. It's bother me when I hear the bad rumors about McCain/Palin.

Well, scope.com/factcheck are the best choice to correct the good or bad rumor... McCain attacked Obama mostly than Obama to him that's why snope.com/factcheck dig to correct the rumor against McCain's word mostly than Obama.

Okay. I read the first posts. Everyone said HELLLLL NOOOOO to vote for Palin. She is not a president. McCain picked a vice president for her.

What they want to vote or not is their POV. They have good reasons why they decide to not vote Palin. Yes, Palin is McCain's VP but she would become President automatic IF McCain is unable fit to be president...

I don't support at above red bold either. But why you are against Animal in Circus? I don't think it's cruel. I thought it's so funny and cute like Pet's Star. Did you know in Germany and Russia have a Circus? Can you explain to me why you don't support the animals in circus?

It explains better why I do not support animals in circus.
http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/23949-should-elephants-perform-circuses.html

Check it out. I am concern about Obama's plan. It's serious not kidding. I found a newspaper through my step dad's newspaper. I typed an articles and found it on google. It's TRUE not BS. Check it out. What do you think?
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The links, you posted dated March 2008 that's why snope.com or factcheck correct their false statement.


Due respect, I removed some of your response over religion issues. Accord Alex, we should not discuss over religion issues.

 

[Maria]

Check my response post #310 to Jiro over Alaska wild animals population... I know what I am saying...

You can't get that I support hunt the animals for the FOODS and WARM, not pleasure (thropy, games, completetion, etc.)

Okay, can you please show me a link where it says that Palin kills them for trophy and pleasure ?

If Palin is a wildlife control due animal polutation as what you beleive in then ban trophy, games and do spayed and neutered pups/cubs instead of kill them... kill wolves and bears for overpopulation? throphy games? I see no excuse for that...To me, they enjoy watching the wolves suffer... for the fun... throphy games.. completetion...

I don't think if, spayed/neutuered will work. If, they decide to do spayed/neutered on pups/cubs, then they can't get anymore babies for future. They will die out and there will be no more wolves and bears in nature. If, people want pets, they can get them through Pet Stores or people who sell at home. You can chose to spay or neuter on your pet, you have a control over them what ever you want with your own pet, BUT with that N A T U R E - that spay/neuter don't belong to its nature, because it doesn't sound right. They are wild and predators.

including video...

https://secure.defenders.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=c406_090308palinwolf

I don't think they are doin' it for trophy games, or fun or what ever your own eyes see it. That's NOT their purposes. There's nothin' you can do if, the law says it is for cullin' purpose. There's nothin' you can do to stop Palin. She's the Governor and knows what she is doin' in Alaska. I still very much support her.

 

[Maria]

Lieblin',

I noticed that you prefer to chose your own links than my links I provided earlier, because you don't want to face the truth what my links say about " overpopulation ". You chose your links just because, of your disagreement with the facts about Palin and how they shoot wolves and bears.

In my links I provided earlier, it ALREADY explained about " overpopulation " and yet, you STILL call it a feeble excuse ? Do you call these links a lie or BS and yet, the link is a government link ?

 

[Foxrac]

No, I do not see anything that ADers use those word "conservative" to pick on ADers negatively but only you... You are one who use those word "liberal" to pick on ADers. We (ADers) are human being and entitle our POV. We think different what we beleive in which medias is better. Each person is different.



Well, scope.com/factcheck are the best choice to correct the good or bad rumor... McCain attacked Obama mostly than Obama to him that's why snope.com/factcheck dig to correct the rumor against McCain's word mostly than Obama.



What they want to vote or not is their POV. They have good reasons why they decide to not vote Palin. Yes, Palin is McCain's VP but she would become President automatic IF McCain is unable fit to be president...



It explains better why I do not support animals in circus.
http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/23949-should-elephants-perform-circuses.html



The links, you posted dated March 2008 that's why snope.com or factcheck correct their false statement.


Due respect, I removed some of your response over religion issues. Accord Alex, we should not discuss over religion issues.

Sure, no worries, I'm trying to cease all topic out that based on discussion of religion, as soon as possible, also she has been very offended at me after talked about her belief, I don't like to be pushed.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I don't think if, spayed/neutuered will work. If, they decide to do spayed/neutered on pups/cubs, then they can't get anymore babies for future. They will die out and there will be no more wolves and bears in nature. If, people want pets, they can get them through Pet Stores or people who sell at home. You can chose to spay or neuter on your pet, you have a control over them what ever you want with your own pet, BUT with that N A T U R E - that spay/neuter don't belong to its nature, because it doesn't sound right. They are wild and predators.

Okay, then don't shoot wolves and bears. I offer my suggestion over spayed/neutered issues because of population control (overpopulation).

I don't think they are doin' it for trophy games, or fun or what ever your own eyes see it. That's NOT their purposes. There's nothin' you can do if, the law says it is for cullin' purpose. There's nothin' you can do to stop Palin. She's the Governor and knows what she is doin' in Alaska. I still very much support her.

I respect your POV and your support for Palin when I see different as you.

There're plenty Alaskan's links over trophy games for wolves, etc. Do you still deny it?

 

[Pinky]

Okay, I am apology. Let MOD delete our posts. Let move on.

 

[Maria]

Okay, then don't shoot wolves and bears. I offer my suggestion over spayed/neutered issues because of population control (overpopulation).

There's nothin' you can do, if they shoot. You can't stop them.

I respect your POV and your support for Palin when I see different as you.

There're plenty Alaskan's links over trophy games for wolves, etc. Do you still deny it?

Did I say that I DENY it ? Gee, I asked you in my previous post to SHOW ME the links where it says they kill for trophy games for wolves, etc. ? Please, SHOW ME the links ?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Lieblin',

I noticed that you prefer to chose your own links than my links I provided earlier, because you don't want to face the truth what my links say about " overpopulation ". You chose your links just because, of your disagreement with the facts about Palin and how they shoot wolves and bears.

In my links I provided earlier, it ALREADY explained about " overpopulation " and yet, you STILL call it a feeble excuse ? Do you call these links a lie or BS and yet, the link is a government link ?

No, I ASKED you for your help to find quickly over wild animal population from your link yesterday...

Liebling's post
I already told you in my previous post that I save your links in my favorite list because it's too long to read everything ... but I read through from first link over 5 different cultures... I look for bears and wolves and population but I find none... Can you please describe which then I can find quickly to read... ?

http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/56878-ladies-would-you-vote-palin-10.html

but you do not reply it... I can't find it in your link so I search my own to response Jiro's post and explain why use those word "overpopulation" is a feeble excuse.

I never, never, never use those word "BS" or whatever to call your links as a feeble excuse... I has no idea why you assume it... I SAID "use those WORD overpoluation is a feeble excuse" and explain Jiro why at my post #310.

I ASKED you yesterday for your help to find where I can read animal population but you ignore it so I find right link about animal population... Yes, I search 3 or 4 different links to compare how many animals... their comparision is similar before post here.

 

[Reba]

Are you okay?
Of course what I said that she enjoy to fire at bear cubs in trees because the bears live in forest (woods)... I stand my POV... I really have no idea why you have the problem with my POV and have no problem with ADers nasty POV on Palin... *scratch my head* I can express what I think of Palin what I want after learn what and how Palin did to animals... What I express my POV after learn from the Alaska websites about her and animal, is not false inflammatory. If you think Alaska websites is false infammatory then tell them, not me.
It shows that I do not ignore all the links, ADers posted... I open my mind and read all the links... I read ALL links, Jillo posted until I spot BEAR CUBS by coincidence.

To me, yes. It´s my POV what I see it. shooting for trophy, games, comptetion...
Then don´t dictate me how to post my POV and my choice to which links, I can post and don´t provoke me here..
this is your problem, not mine.
Huh? I guess something wrong with your head...
denial and twisted... It make yourself dishonest because I never said one word about my websites but Alaska´s websites.
Don´t you know that she rebutted the few rumors... and sue Bush over Bear Polar issues because of oil drilling. ? :roll:Of course she has the time...
If you say so, why you keep on provoke me for? What I stand my POV, period... I already showed the exact link "firing bear cubs to tree"... but you STILL deny and provoke on me...
I showed you the link with the exact word "Palin enjoys to fire bear cubs to fire" but you still keep on provoke me and call me a lie... I stand my POV because I agree with their words because animals lives in forest/woods.
I only tell you what and how I found out by coincidence thru Jillo´s one of links when I read over rape-kit issues... and then search fire bear cubs myself... and then express my POV over those cubs without link... until you asked me where I read...... Before that I don´t bother to post the links about Palin and animals because I thought it´s their culture like bullfighting in Spain... foxhunting in England, etc until I spot bear CUBS on one of Jillo´s links by coincidence because I didn´t know about cubs and pups...
Good, then don´t provoke me when I said my own word what I feel about Palin and cubs because cubs live in forest/wood... what I stand my POV... I do feel that you look for an argument. If you want to debate with me, then is okay but not argue with me and call me nasty names over my POV, please.

Got it. Whatever falsehoods you post, I'm not allowed to question or challenge. I guess that effectively ends all debate.



Unless I'm just sick in the head.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There's nothin' you can do, if they shoot. You can't stop them.

Perhaps for you but not 70% Alaskans.

Did I say that I DENY it ? Gee, I asked you in my previous post to SHOW ME the links where it says they kill for trophy games for wolves, etc. ? Please, SHOW ME the links ?

Huh? I ask you question either you deny it or not? because you said "I don't think they are doin' it for trophy games, or fun or what ever your own eyes see it." that it written including trophy games in ALL links, I posted here since last week to few hours ago.

 

[Maria]

No, I ASKED you for your help to find quickly over wild animal population from your link yesterday...

Liebling's post
I already told you in my previous post that I save your links in my favorite list because it's too long to read everything ... but I read through from first link over 5 different cultures... I look for bears and wolves and population but I find none... Can you please describe which then I can find quickly to read... ?

http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/56878-ladies-would-you-vote-palin-10.html

but you do not reply it... I can't find it in your link so I search my own to response Jiro's post and explain why use those word "overpopulation" is a feeble excuse.

I never, never, never use those word "BS" or whatever to call your links as a feeble excuse... I has no idea why you assume it... I SAID "use those WORD overpoluation is a feeble excuse" and explain Jiro why at my post #310.

I ASKED you yesterday for your help to find where I can read animal population but you ignore it so I find right link about animal population... Yes, I search 3 or 4 different links to compare how many animals... their comparision is similar before post here.

Unfortunately, you didn't read the link on page 6 I provided. That link Aerial Wolf Predator Control in Alaska, Alaska Department of Fish and Game Videos is already provided in that page. Please, go back and re-read it. Okay ?

I will copy and paste about controllin' population to prevent overpopulation from that link :

Wolves and bears are very effective and efficient predators on caribou, moose, deer and other wildlife. In most of Alaska, humans also rely on the same species for food. In Alaska's Interior, predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year, while humans kill less than 10 percent. In most of the state, predation holds prey populations at levels far below what could be supported by the habitat in the area. Predation is an important part of the ecosystem, and all ADF&G wolf management programs, including control programs, are designed to sustain wolf populations in the future.

The Alaska Board of Game approves wildlife regulations through a public participation process. When the Board determines that people need more moose and/or caribou in a particular area, and restrictions on hunting aren't enough to allow prey populations to increase, predator control programs may be needed. Wolf hunting and trapping rarely reduces wolf numbers enough to increase prey numbers or harvests.

Currently, five wolf control programs are underway that comprises about 9.4% of Alaska's land area. The programs use a closely controlled permit system allowing aerial or same day airborne methods to remove wolves in designated areas. In these areas, wolf numbers will be temporarily reduced, but wolves will not be permanently eliminated from any area. Successful programs allow humans to take more moose, and healthy populations of wolves to continue to thrive in Alaska.


And, please REMEMBER that this link I just provided is from the Government. You can't call it a feeble excuse or BS.

 

[Maria]

Perhaps for you but not 70% Alaskans.



Huh? I ask you question either you deny it or not? because you said "I don't think they are doin' it for trophy games, or fun or what ever your own eyes see it." that it written including trophy games in ALL links, I posted here since last week to few hours ago.

Where ? Show me, please ? I want to see it if, it says " trophy games ".