Ladies: would you vote for Palin?

[Pinky]

Pinky, Leibling lives in Germany, born in the UK.

Yeah I know that. I gave her an example.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Also, if a Mod wants to move my posts, then I'll let the mods do that. If you don't like being called Frau Moderator, don't give orders like one.

Huh? I don´t see anything that I tell you what to do but offer you a friendly suggestion.

I offer you a friendly suggestion to discuss this abortion issues to my other thread, not here to respect the thread creator because this thread here is about Palin.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Why feel sorry for baby wolf? what about baby rabbits? baby moose? They're getting killed by wolves. lot of hungry wolves.

wolves did not shoot rabbits, baby mooses for pleasure (trophy and sport hunting) but for the foods... :roll:

 

[sleepytaz]

I wouldn't vote for Palin... although she is only VP and not running for the President. McCain and Palin just wanted women vote just simply because Palin is a woman. She scares me. I wouldn't be surprised if McCain got the position... he will only last for a short time in the office before Palin would take over. Palin just comes on way too strong for America period. I just hope that party wouldn't win. I'm surprised that people are focusing more on Palin than at McCain. Compairing Palin and Obama? That's weird. It should be McCain and Obama.

(I didn't read the whole thread. I'm just putting my seed of thought.)

 

[Jiro]

wolves did not shoot rabbits, baby mooses for pleasure (trophy and sport hunting) but for the foods... :roll:

and do you want to see rabbits, baby mooses to disappear because of overpopulation of wolves?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, I changed none of your words, quotes, or posts.

Here is your original statement:

"Do you think a pro lifer like her who loves to shoot wolves and also fire at bear cubs on trees as well for the fun?"

This is 4th you changed...

At your first post, you asked me where I read...

1. "Where did you read that she likes to shoot bear cubs? I can't find that story."

I provided the links including mother and cubs for you. You twisted my post and called me as a slanderous lie.

2. "None of them said that Palin enjoys shooting bear cubs."

I repeated to show you the video including written...You denied and continue to call me a liar..

3. "fire at bear cubs on trees".

I showed you the exact link including the word over rape-kit issues where I got from Jillo here... I read it... I thought you read it, too... Jillo is first who posted the link but it shows that you doesn´t but call me a lie. the exact word "fire at bear cubs on trees" from link..

You ignore it and pasted my word...

4. "Do you think a pro lifer like her who loves to shoot wolves and also fire at bear cubs on trees as well for the fun?"

You denied and said "You're just digging your hole deeper."


It shows your ignorant and denial. You don´t want to see that the exact word, I got from link.[/FONT]

So? So, it is not acceptable to make up lies about people.

See? Denial - the original video and pictures, Alaskans´ websites, I posted... You do not want to see it...

You provided absolutely no links that prove that Palin enjoys shooting bear cubs in trees. Zero, nada, none.

You deny it.

I didn't ignore the video; I looked at the whole thing. There was nothing in it that showed Palin firing at bear cubs in a tree.

No matter what, Palin SUPPORT trophy and sport hunting which mean is enjoy to shoot animal for the fun... I stand my POV and correction... and can say anything what I thought about Palin, I want to... I provided plenty of links. Did you see me call Palin monster, horrible woman, etc? Nope but I stand my POV that she shoot animal for pleasure... period.

Oh wait, I thought you don´t beleive in micromanaging nit picker or what? You use those word to defend McCain at other thread "McCain´s homes"...
Slander:

* a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report

* a false and malicious statement or report about someone

* an abusive attack on a person's character or good name

(from Dictionary.com)

I'd say that fits the situation.

I do not see anything... I posted original pictures and video... it shows itself that Palin support and spend $400,000 for shoot animals... trophy and sport hunting ... planes... Alaskans asked us to spread the information about Palin to everywhere is not defamatory or false but the fact... because many Alaskans voted against it twice... It´s fact, not defamatory. The links, I compared to Alaska´s websites before post here. The problem is your denial and ignorant.

What does that have to do with shooting bear cubs?

You're just digging your hole deeper.

This is the best proof that you deny it.

I've proven that your statement was false and damaging to Palin's reputation. That is slander, which has been subsequently elevated to libel because you posted (published) it.

If the information, Alaskan want us to spread out is false or whatever then Palin would sue them but she doesn´t. Palin cannot sue them because the original pictures and videos are no lie... Original pictures of many Alaskan protesters... also link from Defend of wildlife... It´s not my own word but I post to support their websites here. I think you don´t understand the difference... I do not create the websites against Palin but I got links from websites to support them.. It´s my POV on websites... If you think the websites, I posted is false then is your POV. We entitle our POV on websites what we support or not. It´s not my statement but Alaskan´s statement because they know Palin.

It proves yourself is denial and ignorant.

Attempts at distraction by tossing in other topics and posters' names doesn't help your case. You should quit before it's too late.

You call me a lie because I post websites and entitle my POV, not other ADers who did the same thing as me? It shows itself is hypocritically!

I did not ignore anything. I looked at every link and video. There was nothing in any of them that showed Palin firing at bear cubs in trees. None of your links support your false claim.

You deny it that I got an exact word from one of Jillo´s links.

If you keep on call me a slanderous lie then you said this YOURSELF!!!!, not me. You look for an arguement and don´t like that I post to support Alaskan´s websites what they know about Palin.

I noticed that you changed/twist the words at Obama vs McCain threads to defend McCain/Palin... We ADers know that McCain is much worst than Bush.

 

[Jiro]

Alaskans asked us to spread the information about Palin to everywhere is not defamatory or false but the fact... because many Alaskans voted against it twice...

Alaskans? Are you sure this is the expressed representation of the majority of Alaskans' views? As far as I'm concerned - it's just some small group of overly-emotional PETA Alaskan group

 

[Foxrac]

I'm with Reba and Maria. I am going to vote for McCain/Palin. I don't believe about CNN, Snopes, Headline CNN are made up a false statement to against Palin. Everyone want to see Palin look bad. Same as everyone made Obama look bad. Palin is re-birth to God and Jesus. Why liberal people are talking about old past? Past is OVER!!!!! It can't change. Just think about future not past!

I found it out about Obama. It turned me off already! I am not telling you guys. If you want to know the truth about Obama? Talk to me on PM not here. Obama is BAD enough! He has 2 faced! I can't believe why snopes, CNN and media are trying make Obama look great president? (scoffs) I have a proof of true statement about Obama's background!

I don't care what AD members think about me vote for Palin. Who is the F@#K CARES??? It's nothing wrong about Alaska's culture to hunt for an animals. My cousin are a hunter for deers and ELK.

Sarah is Pro-Life. She accepted the down syndrome baby. She didn't abort it. Her daughter with pregnancy is not abortion. She didn't get pregnancy by rape. Just a happened. Why do you think Sarah is faulted?? Stop blame on their family. If you're abort your baby with down syndrome and birth defect. It mean you're heartless to baby. No more Debate with me. Stay out of my line.

Liebling, Are you coming from in Alaska or America?? Why you are believe in Palin is bad reputation? Did you see what is she doing in face to face when you live in Alaska? I am not buying your BS links. Snopes is false statement. Obama has a bad reputation either.

For Example, If you get lost in Alaska or Canada by airplane crush on the ground. The cellphones, GPS and phone are gone. Can you do survive when you're hungry with no food and COLD weather? How you would find a food for hungry? If you say bear. Don't you mind for bear attack on you. What you will do? You have to use a knife or rifle shoot at bear. Will you eat a bear's meat? How about eat a fish? Do you know how to make a bonfire to cook a bear and fish meat for your starve? I watched your post "youtube" There is nothing prove it. Maria got right post. It's Alaska's Culture!

Should have something to tell repeatly? Snopes is responsible to correct the error from media or rumor, Snopes aren't lean to liberal or conservative, Snopes had correct on worms from pork that which is false. CNN is more neutral than just lean to liberal, CNN has good guide of both presidents with very small chance of bias against republican. I don't agree with Palin, you have check other thread, such as woman rights, option of war with Russia (Russia has nuclear weapon then you will GONE!!!), no sex education/condom, scandal issues and other her views that I had disagree with her. It's fact based on her interview with media, that how her personality works.

I know that you are favor into improve of economy then McCain-Palin aren't your right choice due McCain had admitted that he has no clue on economy and Palin don't care about it, Obama is one of candidate that have good views of economy. [Mod's edit: Religion discussion removed]

No, Liebling doesn't bullshiting at you, she's just give an link that based on Sarah's interview, usually from media. She's concern about us, really big time for her since she works for US government, most Europeans are support Obama for varies of reason, I'm very pleased with Liebling to being concern about us, also she had visit America so several time. Both of me and Liebling has fairly similar views and if you give more crap on her then she could lose your respect, same goes on me.

You need to be stand up and quit being pick about presidential issue, I had seen you took everything so seriously and call media an bullshit, not all media are so, neither is Snopes, your statement about Obama aren't true either, no need be discuss, we already know that you are going to be very far from being centrist or neutral, even you haven't seen for 8 years during Bush term.

Speaking of hunting, it's true but if species of animals who are in nearly endanger like polar bear should be less on hunting game, right now, rabits and wolves are not endangered, neither is deer or moose.

Be consider yourself, make sure to read carefully to avoid any misunderstood.

I'm rest my case.

 

[Wokamuka]

A non-CNN, Snopes, and (CNN) Headline News "false" link: Alaska Women Reject Palin Rally

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Alaskans? Are you sure this is the expressed representation of the majority of Alaskans' views? As far as I'm concerned - it's just some small group of overly-emotional PETA Alaskan group

Anyway, accord your post...

it's just some small group of overly-emotional PETA Alaskan group

Really?

Action Disregards Sentiment of Alaskan Voters - Defenders of Wildlife

Alaska Overrules Voters, Reinstates Aerial Wolf Hunt


Yes, it's my choice to consider the links, I posted here is a reliable. I search Alaskans' view to compare with medias... Yes, I know for the weeks that Palin support for shoot the animals from plane, games for the meat (I thought at first that it's for the meat), etc. and doesn't bother to forward those links to AD Forum because I thought you all know that it's their culture for the foods like the example with bullfighting in Spain... until I spot the one of links, Jillio posted over Rape-Kit issues at 2nd pages of thread here ... is bear CUBS!!! At first I thought it's rumor... I search cubs to find out either it's true or not... it comes everything... and learn to know what and how Palin is for animals... I decided to not post those links here. I expressed my POV over Palin and cubs issues without post links in my first post because I thought you all know from read the medias, etc until Reba asked me where I get it from because she didn't find it so I posted the links from the websites to here voluntarily........ wow.... I didn't know that wolves pups were also killed, too until yesterday. I was appalled over Palin over Rape-Kit issues and then animals for the pleasure... *shake my head sadly*

I search Alaskan's view to compare with medias before post the links to here.

I only post the links as an information for you all, that's all. I'm not here to force you to beleive the links... I already said that if you don't beleive the links, I support then free to post against the links. I cannot force you to beleive this ...

It's your free choice if you beleive or not...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Foxrac, and for positive post and your support for me. I was like *sigh* and :roll: over her comments.

A non-CNN, Snopes, and (CNN) Headline News "false" link: Alaska Women Reject Palin Rally

Yes, I'm not surprise because I read Alaska's websites a lot to learn Alaskans' views... I guess that Rape-kit issues are one of many reasons, they are very disgusitly...

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[Cheri]

she had visit America so several time.

Several times? Her very first visit to America was in the year of 2007. And what does this have to do with the topic of Palin?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

and do you want to see rabbits, baby mooses to disappear because of overpopulation of wolves?

"disappear over overpopulation" is a most feeble excuse!!!

Come on!!! Wild animals live in the forest and hunt for the foods is their natural prey for THOUSANDS years ...

Sussi, my 22 years old cat is very good mouse and bird catcher when she was young... I accept the fact that it's their natural prey... We have many cats around villiages for thousand years but mouse is still exists... :roll: foxes live in wild and hunt small animals for the foods... the small animals is still exist... :roll:

Yes, I consider "overpopulation" is one of feeble excuses...

I often hear poor excuse reasons why they hunt animals..., it's not just Alaska but many countries... like foxhunting, bullfighting, seal hunting, cockfighting, dogfighting, circus... .....


*sigh* :roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Several times? Her very first visit to America was in the year of 2007. And what does this have to do with the topic of Palin?

Yes, you are correct that my first visit to America was 2007. All what Foxrac aks Pacman said positive toward Pinky is true.

I will visit America several times in the future.

Some of Pinky's comments is not relate the topic of Palin.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm with Reba and Maria. I am going to vote for McCain/Palin. I don't believe about CNN, Snopes, Headline CNN are made up a false statement to against Palin. Everyone want to see Palin look bad. Same as everyone made Obama look bad. Palin is re-birth to God and Jesus. Why liberal people are talking about old past? Past is OVER!!!!! It can't change. Just think about future not past!

I get tired just reading that you pick on liberal negatively which it's not first time. We ADers repeated to explain you that liberal or conversative has nothing do with our POV on McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden issues in several threads. We know and respect you for read Fox News only whom we tried to convince you that Fox News is not neutral on both sides. I respect your choice for McCain/Palin and also respect your decision for beleive in Fox News. Where's your respect on us for beleive in CNN, snopes, factcheck, MSNBC, BBC World, etc. different as you?

I found it out about Obama. It turned me off already! I am not telling you guys. If you want to know the truth about Obama? Talk to me on PM not here. Obama is BAD enough! He has 2 faced! I can't believe why snopes, CNN and media are trying make Obama look great president? (scoffs) I have a proof of true statement about Obama's background!

We provided you the snopes.com or factcheck to find the statement over Obama's background but you ignore it. This is your choice. We cannot force you to beleive snope.com, factcheck or whatever but just show you against your link or POV. It's your free choice.

Sorry, I have to say that your comment make no sense because snope.com/factcheck correct the rumors.

I don't care what AD members think about me vote for Palin. Who is the F@#K CARES??? It's nothing wrong about Alaska's culture to hunt for an animals. My cousin are a hunter for deers and ELK.

Nobody tell you to not vote Palin... This is your choice and decision, not us. We do not against hunt the animals for the foods, period.

Sarah is Pro-Life. She accepted the down syndrome baby. She didn't abort it. Her daughter with pregnancy is not abortion. She didn't get pregnancy by rape. Just a happened. Why do you think Sarah is faulted?? Stop blame on their family.

What's pregnancy issues do with this issues here?

You should post this issues at other thread "Palin's daughter pregnant". Anyway, nobody negative Palin's decision for keep DS baby but respect her choice for not abort DS baby because it's her choice, not us. She should respect our choice as well when we are different as her.

If you're abort your baby with down syndrome and birth defect. It mean you're heartless to baby.

What's abortion issues do with this thread here?

No more Debate with me. Stay out of my line.

Why you posted here for?

Liebling, Are you coming from in Alaska or America?? Why you are believe in Palin is bad reputation? Did you see what is she doing in face to face when you live in Alaska? I am not buying your BS links. Snopes is false statement. Obama has a bad reputation either.

I do not need to say anything because Foxrac said is good enough. Do you dictate me how to post my POV and pick which links, I want to post?

For Example, If you get lost in Alaska or Canada by airplane crush on the ground. The cellphones, GPS and phone are gone. Can you do survive when you're hungry with no food and COLD weather? How you would find a food for hungry? If you say bear. Don't you mind for bear attack on you. What you will do? You have to use a knife or rifle shoot at bear. Will you eat a bear's meat? How about eat a fish? Do you know how to make a bonfire to cook a bear and fish meat for your starve? I watched your post "youtube" There is nothing prove it. Maria got right post.

what's your post do with this thread here?

I watched your post "youtube" There is nothing prove it.

This is your choice. I do not force you to beleive the video.

It's Alaska's Culture!

Of course, every countries have their own culture... What's your point?

It's not just Alaska but the people from many countries who have culture like this vote against cruelty animals for the pleasure, too....

Example:

Bullfighting
Foxhunting
Seal hunting
cockfighting
animals in circus
and go on....

We have no problem with the hunters to kill animals for FOODS...., not for PLEASURE..

Get the difference?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Lieblin',

Okay, you want the link about Alaska's Heritage/History ? I want you to read everythin' that are in that link. It will explain everythin' you want to know. It's not about Palin, but Alaska life itself.

Alaska History and Cultural Studies - Alaska's Heritage - CHAPTER 1-1: GEOLOGICAL AND GLACIAL HISTORY

The second link is not workin'. Will have to find other one that's workin'. Will get that one for you shortly.

Okay, here's a 2nd link: Please, read.

About Tougher in Alaska - History.com

I read most of your links but most interesting to read is - it make me feel want to visit Alaska to see their 5 different cultures.

It's worth to read their 5 different cultures in Alaska from 1st of your link.

Alaska History and Cultural Studies - Alaska Native Heritage Center - 01-01-2000

It doesn't say anything in 5 different cultures that they hunt the animals for pleasure (trophy and sport hunting) but for the foods to eat and clothes (animal and fish skin/waterproof) to sew and wear, something to warm...... is seal, moose, caribou, birds, sea mammals, whales etc. No word about wolves and bears... It look like they don't beleive in hunt them for JUST clothes without meat which is waste for them but both meats and clothes for any animals except wolves and bears?

What and how they eat is very healthy... what and how they did positive themselves, instead of pleasure, sport, trophy, etc. but for the foods and warm.


2nd link...

Yes I can image it must be tougher in Alaska to be survive but they positive and doing well...

for interesting links... I save both links in my favorite. I love to collect cultures.

I see that Alaskans hunt fishes, mooses, caribou and birds mostly for the foods, not trophy and sport games etc in those links...

 

[Foxrac]

Foxrac, and for positive post and your support for me. I was like *sigh* and :roll: over her comments.



Yes, I'm not surprise because I read Alaska's websites a lot to learn Alaskans' views... I guess that Rape-kit issues are one of many reasons, they are very disgusitly...

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Sure, your welcome.

I'm personally has nothing to against with her, I just tried correct on her and told about how way like that, however I'm not jillio or Brad-style behavior.

I wasn't surprised that she has been continued to be not relate with this thread.

Pinky, everyone are entitle their opinion about criticism against Palin if they want too, it's their choice to do, if you don't feel comfortable then don't read their post, some of your post aren't related to this thread then suggest you to back on topic, also if you take post so personally then you would have increase of chance to cause more problems.

 

[Foxrac]

Several times? Her very first visit to America was in the year of 2007. And what does this have to do with the topic of Palin?

I made mistake, I was guess that Liebling had been in America so several time but got it after Liebling corrected me.

For topic, check Liebling's post at #274.

 

[Maria]

"disappear over overpopulation" is a most feeble excuse!!!

Lieblin',

This is NOT feeble excuse. I don't think you really understand what it is all about. We are talkin' about " overpopulation " wolves. Pack of wolves are GROWIN' FAST and they are predators. They will kill mooses, rabbits, elks, and etc., etc. and THEN, there will be NO MORE mooses, rabbits, elks and etc., etc. LEFT. It's why they had to shoot the wolves to MAKE the wolves LESS overpopulation in order to SAVE mooses, elks, rabbits and etc., etc. Do you understand ?

Come on!!! Wild animals live in the forest and hunt for the foods is their natural prey for THOUSANDS years ...

Please, read what I just explained above in this post.

Sussi, my 22 years old cat is very good mouse and bird catcher when she was young... I accept the fact that it's their natural prey... We have many cats around villiages for thousand years but mouse is still exists... :roll: foxes live in wild and hunt small animals for the foods... the small animals is still exist... :roll:

Cat is NOT the same as WOLF. Wolves are WILD animals and they are not pets. Someone had to control the wolves to prevent from growin'. You had your cat and you have your own control over your cat. Would you prefer to let your cat to have tooooo many kittens in your house ? Otherwise, your cat/kittens will kill the birds and you will NOT have the birds around your house no more.

Yes, I consider "overpopulation" is one of feeble excuses...

That's NOT a feeble excuse. It's the REAL world, Lieblin'. That's ALASKA'S WAY of LIFE and CULTURE.

I often hear poor excuse reasons why they hunt animals..., it's not just Alaska but many countries... like foxhunting, bullfighting, seal hunting, cockfighting, dogfighting, circus... .....
*sigh* :roll:

You are still learnin'. You have a LONG WAY to learn. You STILL don't know. Did you read EVERYTHING in that links I provided to you earlier ? What did you learn from that links I gave you ? Please, tell me what the links say about overpopulation of wolves and why ?

 

[Foxrac]

"disappear over overpopulation" is a most feeble excuse!!!

Come on!!! Wild animals live in the forest and hunt for the foods is their natural prey for THOUSANDS years ...

Sussi, my 22 years old cat is very good mouse and bird catcher when she was young... I accept the fact that it's their natural prey... We have many cats around villiages for thousand years but mouse is still exists... :roll: foxes live in wild and hunt small animals for the foods... the small animals is still exist... :roll:

Yes, I consider "overpopulation" is one of feeble excuses...

I often hear poor excuse reasons why they hunt animals..., it's not just Alaska but many countries... like foxhunting, bullfighting, seal hunting, cockfighting, dogfighting, circus... .....


*sigh* :roll:

Not just only for AK that I was concern about polar bear, also I'm concern about China had killed alot of seahorse and other sea animals for food, some of them are already into endangered, also same in Japan for dolphin and whale, both of them are endangered as well, recently, Japan had implement the ban on consume of whale and dolphin.