Ladies: would you vote for Palin?

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Lieblin',

This is NOT feeble excuse. I don't think you really understand what it is all about. We are talkin' about " overpopulation " wolves. Pack of wolves are GROWIN' FAST and they are predators. They will kill mooses, rabbits, elks, and etc., etc. and THEN, there will be NO MORE mooses, rabbits, elks and etc., etc. LEFT. It's why they had to shoot the wolves to MAKE the wolves LESS overpopulation in order to SAVE mooses, elks, rabbits and etc., etc. Do you understand ?


Yes, I know what some of you are saying but it still is no excuse... Look at wild animals in Africa... wild animals in Germany... and everywhere, not just Alaska.

Cat is NOT the same as WOLF. Wolves are WILD animals and they are not pets. Someone had to control the wolves to prevent from growin'. You had your cat and you have your own control over your cat. Would you prefer to let your cat to have tooooo many kittens in your house ? Otherwise, your cat/kittens will kill the birds and you will NOT have the birds around your house no more.

No matter what, cat is an animal as wolf... Oh yes, there're WILD cats as well... Wolves CAN be pet if you adopt and raise them with love. We have many wild cats in forest... and prefer to live in forest than house cats... I see them very often...

My cat killed birds but birds still exists.

My cat is in my house, not outside as a wild cat... It's not just prevent from more kitten is reason why I have all my cats to fix especially prevent them from their crazy HEAT for sex desire..


That's NOT a feeble excuse. It's the REAL world, Lieblin'. That's ALASKA'S WAY of LIFE and CULTURE.

Yes, I respect that they hunt for the FOODS and WARM, not trophy, games, etc... It's me. I am against bullfighting, cockfighting, dogfighting, foxhunting, sealhunting, circus - animal to dance.... Again, it's me.

It's not only Alaska but every where in many countries... like Africa, etc.


You are still learnin'. You have a LONG WAY to learn. You STILL don't know. Did you read EVERYTHING in that links I provided to you earlier ? What did you learn from that links I gave you ? Please, tell me what the links say about overpopulation of wolves and why ? :)

I already told you in my previous post that I save your links in my favorite list because it's too long to read everything ... but I read through from first link over 5 different cultures... I look for bears and wolves and population but I find none... Can you please describe which then I can find quickly to read... ?

No, WE ALL still learning... Learning never stop and end... we still learning everyday as long as we are alive... :)
 
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Sure, your welcome.

I'm personally has nothing to against with her, I just tried correct on her and told about how way like that, however I'm not jillio or Brad-style behavior. :hug:

I wasn't surprised that she has been continued to be not relate with this thread.

Pinky, everyone are entitle their opinion about criticism against Palin if they want too, it's their choice to do, if you don't feel comfortable then don't read their post, some of your post aren't related to this thread then suggest you to back on topic, also if you take post so personally then you would have increase of chance to cause more problems.


:lol: Yes, I know... you are not only one who are patience with her posts... We ADers, too... We are patience with her posts. :hug: back
 
Not just only for AK that I was concern about polar bear, also I'm concern about China had killed alot of seahorse and other sea animals for food, some of them are already into endangered, also same in Japan for dolphin and whale, both of them are endangered as well, recently, Japan had implement the ban on consume of whale and dolphin.

Yes, that's right.

See my response over bullfighting in Spain, foxhunting in England, etc. etc. ...

I beleive in hunt the animals/fishes for the foods and warm, not pleasure.

Palin sued Bush/Cneeny over Polar Bear issues because she want to drill oil in Alaska... :crazy: It will no more natural wildlife more if Palin is for drill oil in Alaska... That's why many Alaskans protest against it...
 
Yes, that's right.

See my response over bullfighting in Spain, foxhunting in England, etc. etc. ...

I beleive in hunt the animals/fishes for the foods and warm, not pleasure.

Palin sued Bush/Cneeny over Polar Bear issues because she want to drill oil in Alaska... :crazy: It will no more natural wildlife more if Palin is for drill oil in Alaska... That's why many Alaskans protest against it...

Yup, not surprised, we are fight against drill the oil in AK due wildlife, low oil reserves, alot of explore, bad facing of environment on oil spill if occur in near future and oil is sold to world market, it wouldn't help to make cheap gas, it wouldn't happen since oil is last for less than 100 years, even 50 years if demand become very excess.

I wish that China and India need adopt emission regulation (increase mpg for all vehicles) to save alot of oils, same goes USA need have strict emission regulation for all vehicles, it means increase of mpg like in some European countries, such as UK. I'm support for renewable energy or alternative fuels as well.

Oh excuse me about off-topic. :aw:
 
OK, I know that Palin trying to protect the environment from the damage an overpopulation of wolves will bring in certain areas and do have an impact on moose and caribou populations which is understandable but some citizens of Alaska said that they're perfectly comfortable with the amount of wildlife wolves in their areas so instead of killing, why not have them spayed or neutered, that will greatly reduces the amount of overpopulation, then everyone will be happy. :dunno: (just a suggestion)..
 
OK, I know that Palin trying to protect the environment from the damage an overpopulation of wolves will bring in certain areas and do have an impact on moose and caribou populations which is understandable but some citizens of Alaska said that they're perfectly comfortable with the amount of wildlife wolves in their areas so instead of killing, why not have them spayed or neutered, that will greatly reduces the amount of overpopulation, then everyone will be happy. :dunno: (just a suggestion)..

Yes, it's good suggestion...
 
I'm personally has nothing to against with her, I just tried correct on her and told about how way like that, however I'm not jillio or Brad-style behavior. :hug:

Who's Brad?..
 
:lol: "disappear over overpopulation" is a most feeble excuse!!!

Come on!!! Wild animals live in the forest and hunt for the foods is their natural prey for THOUSANDS years ...

Sussi, my 22 years old cat is very good mouse and bird catcher when she was young... I accept the fact that it's their natural prey... We have many cats around villiages for thousand years but mouse is still exists... :roll: foxes live in wild and hunt small animals for the foods... the small animals is still exist... :roll:

Yes, I consider "overpopulation" is one of feeble excuses...

I often hear poor excuse reasons why they hunt animals..., it's not just Alaska but many countries... like foxhunting, bullfighting, seal hunting, cockfighting, dogfighting, circus... .....

*sigh* :roll:

huh? feeble excuse? over thousand years? maybe it's because they've been around for over thousand years since there were no human interventions nor human intrusions. Now that we're "invading" their eco-system, destroying their nature..... now wildlife requires human intervention to keep nature in balance. this is same for Africa. They are dying.

Alaskan Trout is dying. Grizzly Bear is dying. Polar Bear is dying. well just about everything is dying. About your mouse example.... it's fallacious because this is a small rodent which breed rapidly. Heck... just because there are mice everywhere doesn't mean mice isn't dying. There are many different species of mice. Chance is... with many cats around your village... probably a few species of mice died out and another species of mice came in.

Unfortunately, caribou, moose, etc. do not breed that fast like mice and they are big animals. Big animals tend to die out first and fast.
 
huh? feeble excuse? over thousand years? maybe it's because they've been around for over thousand years since there were no human interventions nor human intrusions. Now that we're "invading" their eco-system, destroying their nature..... now wildlife requires human intervention to keep nature in balance. this is same for Africa. They are dying.

Alaskan Trout is dying. Grizzly Bear is dying. Polar Bear is dying. well just about everything is dying. About your mouse example.... it's fallacious because this is a small rodent which breed rapidly. Heck... just because there are mice everywhere doesn't mean mice isn't dying. There are many different species of mice. Chance is... with many cats around your village... probably a few species of mice died out and another species of mice came in.

Unfortunately, caribou, moose, etc. do not breed that fast like mice and they are big animals. Big animals tend to die out first and fast.

The only problem is that she STILL don't get it. I don't think it will ever go through in her head to understand this large picture.
 
The only problem is that she STILL don't get it. I don't think it will ever go through in her head to understand this large picture.

I'm sure she understands it but ignoring this because a baby wolf is simply just too damn cute. :laugh2:

That's why I posted in my thread that I cannot debate with people who are illogical and overly emotional. I guess that's just life. I've learned how to accept it and live with it. :cool2:
 
Aerial Wolf Gunning 101 - What is it, and why does vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin support the practice?

Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska and John McCain's vice presidential pick, is an enthusiastic hunter who has proposed legislation and cash incentives to encourage aerial wolf gunning, the controversial practice of shooting wolves from an aircraft. Do people in Alaska really shoot wolves from planes?

Yes, but only with the government's permission.
Aerial shooting yields better results than traditional hunting, since it allows the hunter to cover a lot of ground quickly and track target animals from a clear vantage point. Historically, hunters also used planes to drive animals—polar bears in Alaska and elk in Montana, among others—toward gunmen waiting on the ground. But many hunters found the practice unsportsmanlike, since it violates the "fair chase" ethic, and animal rights activists call it inhumane, since airborne gunmen rarely get a clean (i.e., relatively painless) kill. In response to concerns like these, Congress passed the Federal Airborne Hunting Act of 1972, which made it illegal for hunters to shoot animals from a plane or helicopter.

The federal legislation (PDF) does have a loophole for predator control, permitting state employees or licensed individuals to shoot from an aircraft for the sake of protecting "land, water, wildlife, livestock, domesticated animals, human life, or crops." (This doesn't just apply to wolves; coyotes and foxes are sometimes gunned down from aircraft, especially in Western states.) Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered. The idea is that by killing the predators, the airborne gunmen can ramp up the number of moose and caribou that human hunters can take home for supper.

An aerial wolf-gunning team typically consists of two people—one to fly the plane, and one to shoot the animals. Former crop sprayers tend to make good pilots because they are used to flying close to the ground. Airborne hunters tend to fly single-engine Super Cub planes at very low speeds and at altitudes of less than 100 feet—sometimes swooping down to 10 to 15 feet above the ground. But flying so slow and low can be dangerous, and there have been a number of reported deaths in recent years as a result. Helicopters have the benefit of being able to hover very close to the ground, but they're prohibitively expensive for private pilots. (A small helicopter might cost as much as four times more than a Super Cub.) This past spring, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game lent its helicopters and employees to the predator-control effort.

There are two methods for making a kill during an aerial hunting expedition: Either you shoot the wolf while airborne or you track the animal from above, then land and shoot it from the ground. Legal limits on "land and shoot" hunting have been far less stringent: For many years after shooting from the air was outlawed, anyone with a hunting or trapping license could practice "land and shoot," provided he or she walked a certain distance from his plane before opening fire. Current rules in Alaska require a delay between landing an aircraft and killing an animal: In most cases, hunters must wait until 3 the following morning before they can get started.

Back in the 1950s, Alaska paid government employees and bounty hunters to take out thousands of wolves, but today's aerial wolf killers are unpaid. (They can make some money by selling the wolf pelts.) Palin tried last year to have the state pay $150 for every wolf killed, but the state superior court shot that down as an illegal use of bounty payments, which were outlawed in that state in 1984.

Hope this will correct your view and misconception about Alaskan's hunting policy. Hope Liebling will feel better after this!

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wolves did not shoot rabbits, baby mooses for pleasure (trophy and sport hunting) but for the foods... :roll:
Wolves should not be allowed to shoot guns, even for food. :giggle:
 
Have I entered the Twilight Zone?

This is 4th you changed...

At your first post, you asked me where I read...


1. "Where did you read that she likes to shoot bear cubs? I can't find that story."

I provided the links including mother and cubs for you. You twisted my post and called me as a slanderous lie.

2. "None of them said that Palin enjoys shooting bear cubs."

I repeated to show you the video including written...You denied and continue to call me a liar..

3. "fire at bear cubs on trees".

I showed you the exact link including the word over rape-kit issues where I got from Jillo here... I read it... I thought you read it, too... Jillo is first who posted the link but it shows that you doesn´t but call me a lie. the exact word "fire at bear cubs on trees" from link..

You ignore it and pasted my word...


4. "Do you think a pro lifer like her who loves to shoot wolves and also fire at bear cubs on trees as well for the fun?"

You denied and said "You're just digging your hole deeper."

It shows your ignorant and denial. You don´t want to see that the exact word, I got from link.[/
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See? Denial - the original video and pictures, Alaskans´ websites, I posted... You do not want to see it...

You deny it.

I looked at every link that you posted. I read the text and watched the video. No where did any link state that Palin said she enjoyed firing at bear cubs in trees. That was a false inflammatory statement that you posted against her. There is nothing else you can call that. It's there for all to see and read.

I still have no clue why you want to include Jillio's post about rape kits in a discussion about bear cubs. Maybe it's just an attempted diversion. :dunno:


No matter what, Palin SUPPORT trophy and sport hunting which mean is enjoy to shoot animal for the fun... I stand my POV and correction... and can say anything what I thought about Palin, I want to... I provided plenty of links. Did you see me call Palin monster, horrible woman, etc? Nope but I stand my POV that she shoot animal for pleasure... period.
Just because she supports hunting doesn't mean she enjoys shooting bear cubs in trees. It is dishonest to make up stories about people.

Oh wait, I thought you don´t beleive in micromanaging nit picker or what? You use those word to defend McCain at other thread "McCain´s homes"...
Who's micromanaging? :confused: I'm not your manager.


I do not see anything... I posted original pictures and video... it shows itself that Palin support and spend $400,000 for shoot animals... trophy and sport hunting ... planes...
So? None of them show her shooting cubs, so they aren't relevant to the point.


Alaskans asked us to spread the information about Palin to everywhere is not defamatory or false but the fact... because many Alaskans voted against it twice... It´s fact, not defamatory. The links, I compared to Alaska´s websites before post here. The problem is your denial and ignorant.
Maybe you can ask your Alaskan friends to provide proof that Palin shoots bear cubs for fun. Until you find and post factual proof, then your statement is defamatory and false.


This is the best proof that you deny it.
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If the information, Alaskan want us to spread out is false or whatever then Palin would sue them but she doesn´t.
I don't think she read your post, and I don't think she has the time to bother suing you.


Palin cannot sue them because the original pictures and videos are no lie... Original pictures of many Alaskan protesters... also link from Defend of wildlife... It´s not my own word but I post to support their websites here. I think you don´t understand the difference... I do not create the websites against Palin but I got links from websites to support them.. It´s my POV on websites... If you think the websites, I posted is false then is your POV. We entitle our POV on websites what we support or not. It´s not my statement but Alaskan´s statement because they know Palin.
Palin has better things to do then look for websites to sue. :roll:

I didn't say the websites are false. I said that they didn't prove your statement. It has nothing to do with POV. It has to do with FACTS. Of course you are entitled to your POV. But no one is entitled to make up lies about other people.


You call me a lie because I post websites and entitle my POV, not other ADers who did the same thing as me? It shows itself is hypocritically!
Not true. I said that your statement about Palin enjoying shooting bear cubs in trees was a lie. I never said anything against you posting website links or stating your POV about the topic. You can post all the links you want til the cows come home. All I wanted was to either see some factual proof that Palin enjoyed shooting bear cubs, or a retraction for that false made up statement. That's all.


You deny it that I got an exact word from one of Jillo´s links.
Why do you keep dragging Jillio into this??? She has nothing to do with this.


If you keep on call me a slanderous lie then you said this YOURSELF!!!!, not me. You look for an arguement and don´t like that I post to support Alaskan´s websites what they know about Palin.
Again, I don't care about your links to Alaskan websites if they don't prove your statement (which they don't). You can post to your heart's content, and it doesn't bother me at all. I'm not trying to argue about that. That doesn't mean that you should be allowed to post whatever lie you make up without a challenge for proof. You shouldn't expect people to roll over and play dead every time you post something. Some of us can tell when a statement doesn't ring true.


I noticed that you changed/twist the words at Obama vs McCain threads to defend McCain/Palin... We ADers know that McCain is much worst than Bush.
Sigh . . . I should have known that somehow Bush was responsible for this, even in default to McCain. :roll:
 
I get tired just reading that you pick on liberal negatively which it's not first time. We ADers repeated to explain you that liberal or conversative has nothing do with our POV on McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden issues in several threads. We know and respect you for read Fox News only whom we tried to convince you that Fox News is not neutral on both sides. I respect your choice for McCain/Palin and also respect your decision for beleive in Fox News. Where's your respect on us for beleive in CNN, snopes, factcheck, MSNBC, BBC World, etc. different as you?

Well. I am sorry if you're sick of me being pick on Liberal Negative. But Why liberal people are picking on conservative is a negative? Can we be fair to pick on Liberal each other? My mom and my stepdad are watching FOX News. They are elder years. They said Fox News is not a Bias. CNN and MSNBC are bad about politics. But CNN, MSNBC and FOX are same weather advisory, good & bad news, health and more. But the politics are bad. Because 2 much issues.

We provided you the snopes.com or factcheck to find the statement over Obama's background but you ignore it. This is your choice. We cannot force you to beleive snope.com, factcheck or whatever but just show you against your link or POV. It's your free choice.

I did read Obama's background. I am telling yo u what? Obama is not christian. He lied to everyone. I will give you the links. I am very concern about Obama's background and have 2 faced.

Sorry, I have to say that your comment make no sense because snope.com/factcheck correct the rumors.


Why I should care or believe in gossip to against McCain/Palin? Honestly, I personally don't like gossiping and stabbing back. There is no proof it. But I do believe in true rumors. It's bother me when I hear the bad rumors about McCain/Palin.

Nobody tell you to not vote Palin... This is your choice and decision, not us. We do not against hunt the animals for the foods, period.

Okay. I read the first posts. Everyone said HELLLLL NOOOOO to vote for Palin. She is not a president. McCain picked a vice president for her.

What's pregnancy issues do with this issues here?

You should post this issues at other thread "Palin's daughter pregnant". Anyway, nobody negative Palin's decision for keep DS baby but respect her choice for not abort DS baby because it's her choice, not us. She should respect our choice as well when we are different as her.


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I do not need to say anything because Foxrac said is good enough. Do you dictate me how to post my POV and pick which links, I want to post?

Yeah, I just tired of your links so negative about Palin/McCain. Your links drove me crazy. :D You WON!


This is your choice. I do not force you to beleive the video.


Of course, every countries have their own culture... What's your point?

It's not just Alaska but the people from many countries who have culture like this vote against cruelty animals for the pleasure, too....

Example:

Bullfighting
Foxhunting
Seal hunting
cockfighting
dogfighting

animals in circus
and go on....

We have no problem with the hunters to kill animals for FOODS...., not for PLEASURE..

Get the difference?
I don't support at above red bold either. But why you are against Animal in Circus? I don't think it's cruel. I thought it's so funny and cute like Pet's Star. Did you know in Germany and Russia have a Circus? Can you explain to me why you don't support the animals in circus?

Should have something to tell repeatly? Snopes is responsible to correct the error from media or rumor, Snopes aren't lean to liberal or conservative, Snopes had correct on worms from pork that which is false.
Okay. I notice snopes is against to McCain/Palin more than Obama. But why Snopes want Obama to be great president and innocent?

CNN is more neutral than just lean to liberal, CNN has good guide of both presidents with very small chance of bias against republican. I don't agree with Palin, you have check other thread, such as woman rights, option of war with Russia (Russia has nuclear weapon then you will GONE!!!)

I suppose to read thread about Russia but MOD locked it. I figured it out why Russia is war against Georgia because USA is friend with Georgia on oil. Why Russia is jealous of Georgia? I noticed Russia is still communist. Did Palin said plan for USA to war against Russia? :confused: How I can be GONE??
, no sex education/condom, scandal issues and other her views that I had disagree with her. It's fact based on her interview with media, that how her personality works.

Are you going to watch RNC this week?

I know that you are favor into improve of economy then McCain-Palin aren't your right choice due McCain had admitted that he has no clue on economy and Palin don't care about it, Obama is one of candidate that have good views of economy.

McCain have 8 lists on economy plan. I will make other post. Obama have 9 lists on economy plan

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No, Liebling doesn't bullshiting at you, she's just give an link that based on Sarah's interview, usually from media. She's concern about us, really big time for her since she works for US government, most Europeans are support Obama for varies of reason, I'm very pleased with Liebling to being concern about us, also she had visit America so several time. Both of me and Liebling has fairly similar views and if you give more crap on her then she could lose your respect, same goes on me.

I didn't know that Lielbing is work for US Government. I'm apology if I offend her and you. I am worrying about Obama would screw up the world. I will show you a links. It's very serious. Do you want to save the Earth or abortion?
Do you want to save the country or let destroy the America?


You need to be stand up and quit being pick about presidential issue, I had seen you took everything so seriously and call media an bullshit, not all media are so, neither is Snopes, your statement about Obama aren't true either, no need be discuss, we already know that you are going to be very far from being centrist or neutral, even you haven't seen for 8 years during Bush term.
Let me show you of links on bottom.
Speaking of hunting, it's true but if species of animals who are in nearly endanger like polar bear should be less on hunting game, right now, rabits and wolves are not endangered, neither is deer or moose.
I don't like the hunt for Polar Bear. I never hear of Wolf hunting.
Be consider yourself, make sure to read carefully to avoid any misunderstood.
Yes, I read carefully what you said. You WON!
I'm rest my case.
Check it out. I am concern about Obama's plan. It's serious not kidding. I found a newspaper through my step dad's newspaper. I typed an articles and found it on google. It's TRUE not BS. Check it out. What do you think?
Today in Investor's Business Daily stock analysis and business news
The Absurd Report » Obama’s ‘I Didn’t Inhale’ Defense
 
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I don't support at above red bold either. But why you are against Animal in Circus? I don't think it's cruel. I thought it's so funny and cute like Pet's Star. Did you know in Germany and Russia have a Circus? Can you explain to me why you don't support the animals in circus?


Check it out. I am concern about Obama's plan. It's serious not kidding. I found a newspaper through my step dad's newspaper. I typed an articles and found it on google. It's TRUE not BS. Check it out. What do you think?
Today in Investor's Business Daily stock analysis and business news
The Absurd Report » Obama’s ‘I Didn’t Inhale’ Defense


These 2 articles were written by right wing Christians, are not based on fact, and are nothing more than one person's distorted opinion. Likewise, they have nothing to do with policy proposals made by Obama. They are just assualts on his character.
 
Are you okay?

Have I entered the Twilight Zone?

I looked at every link that you posted. I read the text and watched the video. No where did any link state that Palin said she enjoyed firing at bear cubs in trees. That was a false inflammatory statement that you posted against her. There is nothing else you can call that. It's there for all to see and read.

Of course what I said that she enjoy to fire at bear cubs in trees because the bears live in forest (woods)... I stand my POV... I really have no idea why you have the problem with my POV and have no problem with ADers nasty POV on Palin... *scratch my head* I can express what I think of Palin what I want after learn what and how Palin did to animals... What I express my POV after learn from the Alaska websites about her and animal, is not false inflammatory. If you think Alaska websites is false infammatory then tell them, not me.

I still have no clue why you want to include Jillio's post about rape kits in a discussion about bear cubs. Maybe it's just an attempted diversion. :dunno:

It shows that I do not ignore all the links, ADers posted... I open my mind and read all the links... I read ALL links, Jillo posted until I spot BEAR CUBS by coincidence.

Just because she supports hunting doesn't mean she enjoys shooting bear cubs in trees. It is dishonest to make up stories about people.

To me, yes. It´s my POV what I see it. shooting for trophy, games, comptetion...


Who's micromanaging? :confused: I'm not your manager.

Then don´t dictate me how to post my POV and my choice to which links, I can post and don´t provoke me here..

So? None of them show her shooting cubs, so they aren't relevant to the point.

this is your problem, not mine.


Maybe you can ask your Alaskan friends to provide proof that Palin shoots bear cubs for fun. Until you find and post factual proof, then your statement is defamatory and false.

:confused:

Huh? I guess something wrong with your head...

I don't think she read your post, and I don't think she has the time to bother suing you.

:laugh2: denial and twisted... It make yourself dishonest because I never said one word about my websites but Alaska´s websites.

Palin has better things to do then look for websites to sue. :roll:

Don´t you know that she rebutted the few rumors... and sue Bush over Bear Polar issues because of oil drilling. ? :roll:Of course she has the time...

I didn't say the websites are false. I said that they didn't prove your statement. It has nothing to do with POV. It has to do with FACTS. Of course you are entitled to your POV. But no one is entitled to make up lies about other people.

If you say so, why you keep on provoke me for? What I stand my POV, period... I already showed the exact link "firing bear cubs to tree"... but you STILL deny and provoke on me...

Not true. I said that your statement about Palin enjoying shooting bear cubs in trees was a lie. I never said anything against you posting website links or stating your POV about the topic. You can post all the links you want til the cows come home. All I wanted was to either see some factual proof that Palin enjoyed shooting bear cubs, or a retraction for that false made up statement. That's all.

I showed you the link with the exact word "Palin enjoys to fire bear cubs to fire" but you still keep on provoke me and call me a lie... I stand my POV because I agree with their words because animals lives in forest/woods.

Why do you keep dragging Jillio into this??? She has nothing to do with this.

I only tell you what and how I found out by coincidence thru Jillo´s one of links when I read over rape-kit issues... and then search fire bear cubs myself... and then express my POV over those cubs without link... until you asked me where I read...... Before that I don´t bother to post the links about Palin and animals because I thought it´s their culture like bullfighting in Spain... foxhunting in England, etc until I spot bear CUBS on one of Jillo´s links by coincidence because I didn´t know about cubs and pups...

Again, I don't care about your links to Alaskan websites if they don't prove your statement (which they don't). You can post to your heart's content, and it doesn't bother me at all. I'm not trying to argue about that. That doesn't mean that you should be allowed to post whatever lie you make up without a challenge for proof. You shouldn't expect people to roll over and play dead every time you post something. Some of us can tell when a statement doesn't ring true.

Good, then don´t provoke me when I said my own word what I feel about Palin and cubs because cubs live in forest/wood... what I stand my POV... I do feel that you look for an argument. If you want to debate with me, then is okay but not argue with me and call me nasty names over my POV, please.
 
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