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Reba said:
When lifestyle is a euphemism for sinful behavior, that can be judged. When lifestyle means urban vs. rural, or highbrow vs. redneck, or coastal vs. mountain styles of living, then that is unnecessary to judge, yes.

Homosexuality is not just a "lifestyle."
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Does homosexuality affect you in some way? Does it directly affect how you live your life day-to-day?
 
Glenn said:
If you (general "you" not anyone specific) don't approve of someone's lifestyle choices, ask yourself if it has any effect on you. Most of the time it does not affect you, so why pass judgment on them? Perhaps they don't approve of your lifestyle choices either.
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It's not even a question of whether or not I personally approve. Yes, it does effect me and my family, and my society. I'm not passing judgment on individuals but on society's acceptance of sinful behavior. The only approval I need is from my Lord. I'm not here to win a popularity contest.

I understand that you mean general "you" even though I replied as specific me. :)
 
Reba said:
When lifestyle is a euphemism for sinful behavior, that can be judged. When lifestyle means urban vs. rural, or highbrow vs. redneck, or coastal vs. mountain styles of living, then that is unnecessary to judge, yes.

Homosexuality is not just a "lifestyle."
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Again, it is only a euphemism to you. And you are correct. It is a biological, environmental, and psychological difference that, the vast majority agree, is present from birth in all societies and even in the animal kingdom.

And still you continue to judge with nothing more valid that what you think. I really don't think that condemnation is yours to hand out.
 
Glenn said:
Does homosexuality affect you in some way? Does it directly affect how you live your life day-to-day?
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Of course not, which is why such judgemental, discriminatory, bigoted attitudes are completely unneccesary.
 
Reba said:
It's not even a question of whether or not I personally approve. Yes, it does effect me and my family, and my society. I'm not passing judgment on individuals but on society's acceptance of sinful behavior. The only approval I need is from my Lord. I'm not here to win a popularity contest.

I understand that you mean general "you" even though I replied as specific me. :)
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How does it directly affect you and your family?
 
Beach girl said:
So you're going to quit judging people for "audism" and less than a full embrace of Deaf cultural values and so on now, recognizing that just because that lifestyle is not your lifestyle, it's not for you to judge? I'll be very happy to see that.
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Audism is oppression of deaf people. If someone oppresses me because I am deaf, I will judge them as audist.
 
Glenn said:
Extramarital affairs are taboo and "secret" so that makes them exciting. Its participants think they are getting away with something and that makes them feel superior.

Polygamy legitimizes it and takes away the excitement factor.
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Aww...so that means sleeping around becomes sooo boring! :giggle:
 
Glenn said:
Does homosexuality affect you in some way? Does it directly affect how you live your life day-to-day?
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It is one component of the increasing sinful environment of this world. By society accepting (and sometimes even promoting) sin, it makes it even harder to raise up children in this increasingly sordid world.

Some people criticize Christians for home schooling or sending their kids to Christian schools. Yet, so much of the world's sin has crept into public schools, there isn't much of an alternative.

I have no campaign against homosexual people but I won't pretend that homosexuality is "just another lifestyle" either. Heterosexual people are just as guilty in their sins of fornication, pornography, adultery, pedophilia, etc. There's plenty to go around.

We all commit sins, without exception. My stand is that just because everyone does it, that doesn't make it acceptable. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to avoid sin instead of promoting it.
 
Beach girl said:
I'm not 100% convinced of that. I think there's a role for society's approval of relationships. We don't approve of first cousins marrying. We don't approve of grown men marrying 13 year old girls. I think it's ok to not approve of extramarital relationships and in some cases, to explicitly say so to the person(s) involved, and/or to vote for a political candidate according to how he or she has lived his personal life, regardless of otherwise agreeing with his views.

It's acceptable to stand up for one's concept of morality. That's one of the ways by which cohesive societies are formed.
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I agree but with two grown men or two grown women, I dont think it is up to us to judge on whether they want to marry or not.
 
Beowulf said:
It's in the eye of the beholder. One person would be okay with homosexuality but against war, while the other would be okay with war but against homosexuality. Who is right and who is wrong? In the eye of the beholder, neither one of them.
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Just like in the old days, it was wrong for a white person to marry a black man. If that was still the case today, my son wouldnt be here today.
 
Reba said:
Some people might be OK with both or neither, too.

("War" is a general term; does that mean a person would be OK with every war, or just some wars?)


Right and wrong is declared by God. If it was up to each and every person (the beholder) to determine, it would be chaos. As the Bible says, "every man did that which was right in his own eyes...," and that didn't turn out well.
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What if people who strongly believe in the Devil say that in the Devil's eyes this was right and God was the evil one? :dunno:
 
jillio said:
Again, it is only a euphemism to you. And you are correct. It is a biological, environmental, and psychological difference that, the vast majority agree, is present from birth in all societies and even in the animal kingdom.
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If you want to equate people with animals, that's your prerogative. God made man in His image, not in the image of animals. Man has a conscience and spirit that puts him above animals, and holds him to a higher standard.

And still you continue to judge with nothing more valid that what you think. I really don't think that condemnation is yours to hand out.
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I've never handed out condemnation. No one is condemned without hope.
 
shel90 said:
Just like in the old days, it was wrong for a white person to marry a black man. If that was still the case today, my son wouldnt be here today.
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That was a society's law, not God's law.
 
shel90 said:
What if people who strongly believe in the Devil say that in the Devil's eyes this was right and God was the evil one? :dunno:
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Satan's been doing that for eons.
 
Some people do not believe in certain religious teachings and should not be forced to accept them. If you believe that same sex marriage is a sin, then you don't have to marry a same sex spouse. The same sex couples who are not welcome in churches won't bother you.
 
Reba said:
If you want to equate people with animals, that's your prerogative. God made man in His image, not in the image of animals. Man has a conscience and spirit that puts him above animals, and holds him to a higher standard.


I've never handed out condemnation. No one is condemned without hope.
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Where did I equate people with animals? Your perception is a bit twisted.
 
sallylou said:
Some people do not believe in certain religious teachings and should not be forced to accept them. If you believe that same sex marriage is a sin, then you don't have to marry a same sex spouse. The same sex couples who are not welcome in churches won't bother you.
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It really is so simple. It only gets complicated when one wants to dictate the life of all.
 
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