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SEE PSE??? too many false' ASL I am so confused LOL
 
AandEMomma said:
Ok I know butterfly but how about other linked words like that one? Are they a single sign too I just do not understand it I am sorry
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That is the way they do any compound word like that. And they use the sign "run" for instance for anything from running on two feet, to your nose dripping. How confusing is that for a kid. To sign that a nose is running!:giggle:
 
CSign said:
All families and individuals are different and have there own set of extenuating circumstances. There are a number of factors to take into consideration before determining what to do. In your threads, I've always been supportive of your family using ASL and finding placement that would support that.
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The most important thing to consider is the needs of the deaf child. Nothing else even comes close to that in comparison.

Suportive of families using ASL? Then why don't you use it yourself?
 
jillio said:
That is the way they do any compound word like that. And they use the sign "run" for instance for anything from running on two feet, to your nose dripping. How confusing is that for a kid. To sign that a nose is running!:giggle:
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I'm thinking of the ASL dripping sign. it makes so much better sense :P
 
Csign-- what you choose to teach your son is your buisness I am glad he's learning and that is all that matters is he does well NOT all parents have to agree on one thing DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU and if it works for you I support that ALL i said is I do not understand it Im just a bit confused. Your doing right if he is learning and thats all that matters everyone can talk to you and say your wrong but if it works its not wrong trust me I have to deal with the learning issues now and whatever works I do not give a crap what anyone says and who disagree's do you ...In most cases opinions are opinions those ppl do not have to live my life every day that is something I go by
 
CSign said:
Actually they did assess that, he had to write a story. No sweat off my back if some of you don't believe me. I'm just going to clarify misjudgments about my child, the same as I do about myself.
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Writing a story does not assess the areas of language usage that I am referring to.:roll:
 
jillio said:
This is misleading. Just because they use the signs of ASL does not mean they are using them properly. That is what makes it so confusing.

And here is a link to show that in SEE II, the sign butter + fly is the way it is signed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuall...ish_.28SEE1.29

The English language is visable in written mode. Written mode conforms to linguisitic criteria for making an aurally based language visable. SEE, in none of it's forms, does that. It is a cheap imposter.
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Wow!! Thank you for affirming a number of my points. Did you even read the link before you posted it? It absolutely does not say that in SEE (Signing Exact English) uses the sign for butter+fly. It states the same thing I said- it's one sign, the same as the ASL sign.
 
AandEMomma said:
Csign-- what you choose to teach your son is your buisness I am glad he's learning and that is all that matters is he does well NOT all parents have to agree on one thing DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU and if it works for you I support that ALL i said is I do not understand it Im just a bit confused. Your doing right if he is learning and thats all that matters everyone can talk to you and say your wrong but if it works its not wrong trust me I have to deal with the learning issues now and whatever works I do not give a crap what anyone says and who disagree's do you ...In most cases opinions are opinions those ppl do not have to live my life every day that is something I go by
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I say if you want to know what works the best for deaf children, ask a deaf adult who has been there.:cool2:
 
AandEMomma said:
Csign-- what you choose to teach your son is your buisness I am glad he's learning and that is all that matters is he does well NOT all parents have to agree on one thing DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU and if it works for you I support that ALL i said is I do not understand it Im just a bit confused. Your doing right if he is learning and thats all that matters everyone can talk to you and say your wrong but if it works its not wrong trust me I have to deal with the learning issues now and whatever works I do not give a crap what anyone says and who disagree's do you ...In most cases opinions are opinions those ppl do not have to live my life every day that is something I go by
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I usually am more careful of telling other parents to "do what works for you" because its usually more important to "do what is the best for your child".
 
I do not know the ASL dripping sign but I will look it up but I do see how it would be confusing... Even ASL can be confusing shoot I told my sons teacher I learned a new sign and taught it to my son and signed Penis and not bug that was a ok i need to watch what im doing lol
 
CSign said:
Wow!! Thank you for affirming a number of my points. Did you even read the link before you posted it? It absolutely does not say that in SEE (Signing Exact English) uses the sign for butter+fly. It states the same thing I said- it's one sign, the same as the ASL sign.
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Yep, I read it. And you are wrong again. It says it right there in the paragraph where it discusses the difference between SEE I and SEE II.

I am still looking for the answer to my question regarding the name of one school that uses SEE I or SEE II as the language of instruction. You claim there are many. Surely out of that "many" you can name just one.:cool2:

Since you can't seem to find it, here you go:

In SEE1, all compound words are formed as separate signs - instead of using the ASL sign for butterfly, SEE1 places the signs for but, er, and fly in sequential order. SEE1 also uses the same sign for all homonyms - the same sign is used to sign blue and blew.

SEE2 was developed by Gerilee Gustason, Esther Zawolkow, and Donna Pfetzing in the early 1970s. As an offshoot of SEE1, many features of SEE2 are identical to that code system. Initializations and grammatical markers are also used in SEE2, but compound words with an equivalent ASL sign are used as the ASL sign, as with butterfly. SEE2 is also used in Singapore. About 75% to 80% of SEE2 signs are either borrowed from ASL or are modified ASL signs. Signing Exact English uses more markers as opposed to Signed English, which uses 14 markers.
As there is no more formal use of SEE1, Signing Exact English is no longer referred to as SEE2, but rather SEE.

So, how about those schools using SEE as their language of instruction, since it is not used formally any longer?
 
AandEMomma said:
I do not know the ASL dripping sign but I will look it up but I do see how it would be confusing... Even ASL can be confusing shoot I told my sons teacher I learned a new sign and taught it to my son and signed Penis and not bug that was a ok i need to watch what im doing lol
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Well it's done this way: you use the five handshape under your nose and then move it up and down to denote a dripping nose.
 
jillio said:
Yep, I read it. And you are wrong again. It says it right there in the paragraph where it discusses the difference between SEE I and SEE II.

I am still looking for the answer to my question regarding the name of one school that uses SEE I or SEE II as the language of instruction. You claim there are many. Surely out of that "many" you can name just one.:cool2:
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I don't know of any school that uses SEE as it main communication mode.
 
I see do what is best for your child I agree but if someone wants to teach their child a new method to communicate your child has to agree to learn it.. Its ovious that Csigns child learned differently how to do things and she said that he is doing good in communicating thats all that matters not everone is going to agree on certain things for exsample:

My sons school wanted to use a form of communication for Autistic children I tried it for a year he didnt grow to it so I tried ASL and he is using that and understands it so it works for me because it works for my son.
 
ok i got that but I do not see how that says running better than the one moving your feet but it could be jogging too... IDK bravo to those that understand it I dont... Im going to bed goodnight everyone..
 
Jiro said:
by your logic... Spanish people should be able to understand my English idioms in Spanish language.
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Which reminds me of a Reader Digest's joke that I read years ago. There was an American who said I'm tickled to the death to his Russian friends on a tour. The Russian terp thought for a second and he finally transalted it into Russian this way: Scratch me till I die.
 
AandEMomma said:
I do not know the ASL dripping sign but I will look it up but I do see how it would be confusing... Even ASL can be confusing shoot I told my sons teacher I learned a new sign and taught it to my son and signed Penis and not bug that was a ok i need to watch what im doing lol
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To sign, "My nose is running" in ASL, I would just put the open 5 hand next to my nose and move it downward a couple of times. To sign it in SEE, it would be the same as English word order, as "My, point to nose, manufactured sign for "is" sign for "run" manufactured ing ending sign."
 
AandEMomma said:
ok i got that but I do not see how that says running better than the one moving your feet but it could be jogging too... IDK bravo to those that understand it I dont... Im going to bed goodnight everyone..
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Good night. See you tomorrow, I hope!:wave:
 
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