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deafskeptic said:
So you say.
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Right. And none of those assessments check for the creative and playful use of language that is consistently found in children who do not have a native language. Just because English is their only language doesn't mean they have native fluency.
 
jillio said:
Right. And none of those assessments check for the creative and playful use of language that is consistently found in children who do not have a native language. Just because English is their only language doesn't mean they have native fluency.
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I write well but even I can not hide my language delays. I'm sure it's noticable to others who knows what to look for.
 
AandEMomma said:
Ok I know butterfly but how about other linked words like that one? Are they a single sign too I just do not understand it I am sorry
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I would like to inform you that there are a bunch of errors in CSign's post. Even Wikipedia would reinforce what I and many other posters are telling CSign.
 
MY son has a global delay due to his loss but, I do not think I want to confuse him with two different things when i think Sign Language I think of one thing ASL if I had to learn both Myself I think I'd be confused but if your sons language skills went up then you did something right not all kids learn the same way. Mine sure didnt they always told me all deaf and hoh kids have strange behavior like my son does and I being HOH myself never acted the way he does hes exeptionally smart though and with ASL that was the ONLY thing he picked up on I have never used SEE or SEE II but I've never heard of it either
 
jillio said:
This is misleading. Just because they use the signs of ASL does not mean they are using them properly. That is what makes it so confusing.

And here is a link to show that in SEE II, the sign butter + fly is the way it is signed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuall...ish_.28SEE1.29

The English language is visable in written mode. Written mode conforms to linguisitic criteria for making an aurally based language visable. SEE, in none of it's forms, does that. It is a cheap imposter.
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Um your link is confusing.
 
AandEMomma said:
MY son has a global delay due to his loss but, I do not think I want to confuse him with two different things when i think Sign Language I think of one thing ASL if I had to learn both Myself I think I'd be confused but if your sons language skills went up then you did something right not all kids learn the same way. Mine sure didnt they always told me all deaf and hoh kids have strange behavior like my son does and I being HOH myself never acted the way he does hes exeptionally smart though and with ASL that was the ONLY thing he picked up on I have never used SEE or SEE II but I've never heard of it either
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To be honest, ASL is the way to go.
 
jillio said:
Right. And none of those assessments check for the creative and playful use of language that is consistently found in children who do not have a native language. Just because English is their only language doesn't mean they have native fluency.
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Actually they did assess that, he had to write a story. No sweat off my back if some of you don't believe me. I'm just going to clarify misjudgments about my child, the same as I do about myself.
 
deafskeptic said:
I write well but even I can not hide my language delays. I'm sure it's noticable to others who knows what to look for.
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Right. You have excellent use of English. But there are still things that are consistent with having been raised with English only. Shel and I talked about this a long time ago. She was comparing her writing to mine, and the way we both used language. At the time, I had not earned my doctorate yet, so we were both holding M.Ed's. Same level of education, same language, certainly no difference in our I.Q's, but even she could see the places in her use of language that indicated the delays that never get remediated.
 
CSign said:
There is a misunderstanding. A significant number if SEE signs are the same as ASL.

SEE is another way of making the English language visible to those who cannot access it auditory.

Also, the sign for "butterfly" in SEE is not butter+ fly. It's one sign, "butterfly" with your thumbs linked together- same as ASL.
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by your logic... Spanish people should be able to understand my English idioms in Spanish language.
 
But alot of Deaf schools are not oral right? I mean I know the ones My kids have been to have speech classes but not ALL Deaf want to talk right?

My son doesnt talk but uses his voice for siren noises (which are screams) but he doesn't use that voice for words alot of the times. I am happy to hear him say Momma but that is not often... and if he chooses he doesn't ever want to talk I am ok with that as long as I have a communication method with him which preferabally I like ASL
 
jillio said:
Right. You have excellent use of English. But there are still things that are consistent with having been raised with English only. Shel and I talked about this a long time ago. She was comparing her writing to mine, and the way we both used language. At the time, I had not earned my doctorate yet, so we were both holding M.Ed's. Same level of education, same language, certainly no difference in our I.Q's, but even she could see the places in her use of language that indicated the delays that never get remediated.
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So can I in my own prose - especially when it comes to subject verb agreement.
 
deafskeptic said:
God, I would imagine that it' painful to sign in SEE for both the hearing and deaf in SEE schools - if any. I jusyt bet they'd be reverting to PSE. SEE is just too awkward.
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That is exactly what happens. They revert to a blend of PSE and SEE because they continue to use the initialized signs, and sign based on word instead of sign based on concept. It is even more confusing than PSE. It is not SEE and it is not PSE...it is some conglomeration that is almost incomprehensible.
 
AandEMomma said:
But alot of Deaf schools are not oral right? I mean I know the ones My kids have been to have speech classes but not ALL Deaf want to talk right?

My son doesnt talk but uses his voice for siren noises (which are screams) but he doesn't use that voice for words alot of the times. I am happy to hear him say Momma but that is not often... and if he chooses he doesn't ever want to talk I am ok with that as long as I have a communication method with him which preferabally I like ASL
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Right. And you are correct. ASL is the way to go. All this other crap is just for the convenience of the hearing, not for the needs of the deaf.
 
AandEMomma said:
But alot of Deaf schools are not oral right? I mean I know the ones My kids have been to have speech classes but not ALL Deaf want to talk right?

My son doesnt talk but uses his voice for siren noises (which are screams) but he doesn't use that voice for words alot of the times. I am happy to hear him say Momma but that is not often... and if he chooses he doesn't ever want to talk I am ok with that as long as I have a communication method with him which preferabally I like ASL
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Right. There are very few oral schools out there.
 
AandEMomma said:
But alot of Deaf schools are not oral right? I mean I know the ones My kids have been to have speech classes but not ALL Deaf want to talk right?

My son doesnt talk but uses his voice for siren noises (which are screams) but he doesn't use that voice for words alot of the times. I am happy to hear him say Momma but that is not often... and if he chooses he doesn't ever want to talk I am ok with that as long as I have a communication method with him which preferabally I like ASL
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Many choose not to speak and still others have a hard time being undertood by others. As far as I'm concerned, good speech can be a double edged sword. When people hear my speech, they think I have a mild hearing loss and that I hear better than I actually do hear. It's much easier to convice people I'm deaf if I don't open my mouth.
 
AandEMomma said:
MY son has a global delay due to his loss but, I do not think I want to confuse him with two different things when i think Sign Language I think of one thing ASL if I had to learn both Myself I think I'd be confused but if your sons language skills went up then you did something right not all kids learn the same way. Mine sure didnt they always told me all deaf and hoh kids have strange behavior like my son does and I being HOH myself never acted the way he does hes exeptionally smart though and with ASL that was the ONLY thing he picked up on I have never used SEE or SEE II but I've never heard of it either
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All families and individuals are different and have there own set of extenuating circumstances. There are a number of factors to take into consideration before determining what to do. In your threads, I've always been supportive of your family using ASL and finding placement that would support that.
 
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