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Jiro said:
what's the difference? the intent is same anyway.


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please don't tell me you're hiding a victim card in your sleeve.
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I see it peeking out of the cuff!:P
 
sorry do not know how to post the other persons statement but it was to jillio's statement
"No. SEE II, or Seeing Essential English is still American MCE. It just drops the prefixes and the suffixes, but maintains all of the other features. Sort of like PSE, but not exactly, because it still uses initialized signs, and signs based on the word rather than the concept. Like" butter + fly", intead of "butterfly" or "nose + run" instead of the single sign for nose running (dripping). That is why it is so confusing. It totally takes away the conceptual nature that is necessary for comprehensive processing of a signed language."
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I mean from what my son understands ok i eat butter so let me put the fly in butter and we have a butterfly

I do not get it why not use the real ASL words sounds like ppl are trying to make their own language up and call it ASL but honestly what Csign teaches her kid is her buisness in my eyes im not dealing with it everyday she is
 
AandEMomma said:
Sounds confusing. why not teach one language and not two? Im not fully understanding the need for that? Not all Deaf and HOH schools teach that right?
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There are a number of schools that use Signing Exact English, just as there are a number of schools that use ASL.
 
CSign said:
There are a number of schools that use Signing Exact English, just as there are a number of schools that use ASL.
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how many? give me an estimate.
 
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AandEMomma said:
I mean from what my son understands ok i eat butter so let me put the fly in butter and we have a butterfly

I do not get it why not use the real ASL words sounds like ppl are trying to make their own language up and call it ASL but honestly what Csign teaches her kid is her buisness in my eyes im not dealing with it everyday she is
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I'm afraid the odds are good that her kid wll have to suffer the conquences of having language delays. It's confusing for those without a firm grasp of English and he's very young so he's still learning a language.

Many deaf have been exposed SEE (myself included) in the past and hence why they object to it. For the record, I already had excellent English skills before I learned SEE.
 
AandEMomma said:
I mean from what my son understands ok i eat butter so let me put the fly in butter and we have a butterfly

I do not get it why not use the real ASL words sounds like ppl are trying to make their own language up and call it ASL but honestly what Csign teaches her kid is her buisness in my eyes im not dealing with it everyday she is
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Exactly. Visual language is processed a different way than oral language is. When you try to take oral language and make it fit into visual processing, it just gets very, very confusing. There is a language that can do everything the MCEs can do and more. It is ASL. No need to make up another sign system that doesn't even adhere to linguistic criteria.
 
AandEMomma said:
I mean from what my son understands ok i eat butter so let me put the fly in butter and we have a butterfly

I do not get it why not use the real ASL words sounds like ppl are trying to make their own language up and call it ASL but honestly what Csign teaches her kid is her buisness in my eyes im not dealing with it everyday she is
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There is a misunderstanding. A significant number of SEE signs are the same as ASL.

SEE is another way of making the English language visible to those who cannot access it auditorily.

Also, the sign for "butterfly" in SEE is not butter+ fly. It's one sign, "butterfly" with your thumbs linked together- same as ASL.
 
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I guess SEE is good to get kids (hearing kids)to do something with theirselves but in my opinion: I do not know if I would teach my kids that off the back expecially if they are Deaf or HOH but, I honestly to myself find it confusing to teach a child 2 different things but everyone chooses differently for their kids there are no two parents alike
 
CSign said:
There are a number of schools that use Signing Exact English, just as there are a number of schools that use ASL.
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Can you name a few? Only ones that use it as the language of instruction for all courses...not those that end up using it because the hearing teachers can't sign ASL properly.
 
deafskeptic said:
I'm afraid the odds are good that her kid wll have to suffer the conquences of having language delays. It's confusing for those without a firm grasp of English and he's very young so he's still learning a language.

Many deaf have been exposed SEE (myself included) in the past and hence why they object to it. For the record, I already had excellent English skills before I learned SEE.
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Since you are referring to my son, I find it necessary to share the fact that my son doesn't have any language delays and hasn't since he was about 2. His most recent language assessments were all above age level. His score in grammatical completion was exceptionally high.
 
Jiro said:
how many? give me an estimate.
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Very slim percentage , I would say. Most schools lean on ASL or PSE , just my opinion. I am clueless to S.E.E.
 
jillio said:
Can you name a few? Only ones that use it as the language of instruction for all courses...not those that end up using it because the hearing teachers can't sign ASL properly.
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God, I would imagine that it' painful to sign in SEE for both the hearing and deaf in SEE schools - if any. I jusyt bet they'd be reverting to PSE. SEE is just too awkward.
 
Ok I know butterfly but how about other linked words like that one? Are they a single sign too I just do not understand it I am sorry
 
CSign said:
There is a misunderstanding. A significant number if SEE signs are the same as ASL.

SEE is another way of making the English language visible to those who cannot access it auditory.

Also, the sign for "butterfly" in SEE is not butter+ fly. It's one sign, "butterfly" with your thumbs linked together- same as ASL.
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This is misleading. Just because they use the signs of ASL does not mean they are using them properly. That is what makes it so confusing.

And here is a link to show that in SEE II, the sign butter + fly is the way it is signed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuall...ish_.28SEE1.29

The English language is visable in written mode. Written mode conforms to linguisitic criteria for making an aurally based language visable. SEE, in none of it's forms, does that. It is a cheap imposter.
 
CSign said:
Since you are referring to my son, I find it necessary to share the fact that my son doesn't have any language delays and hasn't since he was about 2. His most recent language assessments were all above age level. His score in grammatical completion was exceptionally high.
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So you say.
 
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