It must get tiring!

[CSign]

I read PFH's link on SEE and it seemed more confusing that anything. It stated that they use the same sign for 'blue' and 'blew' which are two totally different concepts, yet they use the same sign.

Looks to me like they are signing for the phonetic equivalent of English, not an actual language equivalent. Far as I can SEE, SEE is just a bunch of useless gibberish.

Dixie- you were looking at the part about Seeing Essential English (SEE I) which is different from Signing Exact English (SEE II). SEE I is virtually useless and isnt used anymore.

 

[jillio]

Oh my goodness. Too funny. Read again Jillio when your head has had a chance to decompress.

SEE I (Seeing Essential English) is no longer used which is why SEE II (Signing Exact English) is now referred to only as SEE. Hence the reason why I said Seeing Essential English was a moot point.

Also, you are just confusing people further with your misperceptions. It clearly states that the sign for Butterfly is the same in ASL as in SEE.

You would like a link to one school that uses SEE?

Ok. Here are two. Enjoy ;-)

Crown Valley Elementary School: Deaf & Hard of Hearing (DHH Program)

Programs

Crown Valley uses simultaneous communication, which is sign supported English, as the language of instruction. They do not use SEE as the language of instruction. The second is an early intervention program, not a school program. And they use TC, not SEE as the language of instruction.

You really are confused. You can't tell the difference between the language of instruction, and an instructional tool.

Looks like you better keep Googling.

 

[jillio]

That is what I thought. Still trying to make veiled insinuations, but not man enough to come right out and say what you are trying to insinuate.

 

[CSign]

Someone is trying to figure out how to turn this around on me.

Good luck.

 

[Jiro]

So, did you want to eat your words now or later?

I didn't provide just one, but two links just to sweeten the deal.

I make no inaccurate or false statements, unlike some people I see around here.

would you agree that the post below can be interpreted as that there is a nearly equal numbers of both ASL and SEE schools?

There are a number of schools that use Signing Exact English, just as there are a number of schools that use ASL.

 

[Rio]

Long time no see

 

[deafskeptic]

Crown Valley uses simultaneous communication, which is sign supported English, as the language of instruction. They do not use SEE as the language of instruction. The second is an early intervention program, not a school program. And they use TC, not SEE as the language of instruction.

You really are confused. You can't tell the difference between the language of instruction, and an instructional tool.

Looks like you better keep Googling.

From what I read, this sounds much more like TC to me than SEE. I think the key word is simultaneous communication here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[CSign]

Crown Valley uses simultaneous communication, which is sign supported English, as the language of instruction. They do not use SEE as the language of instruction. The second is an early intervention program, not a school program. And they use TC, not SEE as the language of instruction.

You really are confused. You can't tell the difference between the language of instruction, and an instructional tool.

Looks like you better keep Googling.

Let's see how many obnoxious smilies you can use...

But seriously- stop deluding yourself. I know you hate me and all, but stop making things up.

Both schools use SEE.

 

[deafskeptic]

would you agree that the post below can be interpreted as that there is a nearly equal numbers of both ASL and SEE schools?

That's certainly how I'd read it.

 

[jillio]

So, did you want to eat your words now or later?

I didn't provide just one, but two links just to sweeten the deal.

I make no inaccurate or false statements, unlike some people I see around here.

Eat my words? You have yet to provide the name of a school that uses SEE as the language of instruction. Neither one of the links you provided use SEE as the language of instruction.

Yep, you make false and innaccurate statements all over the place. And it is hysterical that it is only your own ignorance that leads you to believe they are accurate.

Again, how about a school that uses SEE as the language of instruction, since you claim so many. I mean, come on, it took you quite a while just to Google the links you used, and neither one of them fill the bill. Since you know there are many, why is it that you can't come up with one off the top of your head?

This is pitiful! I am actually beginning to feel sorry for you, since you keep making such a fool of yourself.

 

[CSign]

From what I read, this sounds much more like TC to me than SEE. I think the key word is simultaneous communication here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes- they use TC with SEE... Both schools really, one just refers to it as Sim-Com and the other TC.

 

[TXgolfer]

Long time no see

I am down in your neck of the woods this week. In Newport Beach hanging at the US Open Surfing up the road.

 

[jillio]

Yes- they use TC with SEE... Both schools really, one just refers to it as Sim-Com and the other TC.

They do not use SEE as the language of instruction. Sim-Com is not SEE. TC is not SEE. I asked specifically for a school that uses it as the language of instruction, because that is what you claimed there were many of.

 

[jillio]

Dixie- you were looking at the part about Seeing Essential English (SEE I) which is different from Signing Exact English (SEE II). SEE I is virtually useless and isnt used anymore.

All of the MCEs are virtually useless, and none are used as the language of instruction in any schools, and very, very few schools even use them as a teaching tool, much less a communication method.

 

[deafskeptic]

Yes- they use TC with SEE... Both schools really, one just refers to it as Sim-Com and the other TC.

In other words, it's TC. I learned SEE before I went to MSSD. It used TC and teachers used PSE and spoken English. I don't think MSSD uses TC anymore.

When I first learned SEE, voices were not always used along with SEE.

 

[CSign]

They do not use SEE as the language of instruction. Sim-Com is not SEE. TC is not SEE. I asked specifically for a school that uses it as the language of instruction, because that is what you claimed there were many of.

What are you talking about?

Stop with your nonsense. TC and Sim-Com both use speech along with signs... What kind of sign? Signing Exact English in these cases.

Remember Jillio? SEE isn't a language. They use spoken English along with SEE. You really should just stop. "You're embarrassing yourself right now".

 

[deafskeptic]

In other words, it's TC. I learned SEE before I went to MSSD. It used TC and teachers used PSE and spoken English. I don't think MSSD uses TC anymore.

When I first learned SEE, voices were not always used along with SEE.

It is not necessary to use voice with SEE.

 

[jillio]

In other words, it's TC. I learned SEE before I went to MSSD. It used TC and teachers used PSE and spoken English. I don't think MSSD uses TC anymore.

When I first learned SEE, voices were not always used along with SEE.

TC is not used very many places anymore at all. Maybe a few self contained programs in the public schools that are woefully behind the times with Deaf Ed.

TC has been shown to be completely ineffective because of the confusing linguistic atmosphere it creates. A little of this, a little of that, and none of it pure in methodology.

 

[Jiro]

Let's see how many obnoxious smilies you can use...

But seriously- stop deluding yourself. I know you hate me and all, but stop making things up.

Both schools use SEE.

there are numbers of schools including colleges that incorporate ASL-only teaching method.

but can you show me any deaf school that uses only SEE? To be specific... the one that incorporates SEE-only teaching method just like the way other deaf schools incorporates ASL-only approach.

 

[deafskeptic]

TC is not used very many places anymore at all. Maybe a few self contained programs in the public schools that are woefully behind the times with Deaf Ed.

TC has been shown to be completely ineffective because of the confusing linguistic atmosphere it creates. A little of this, a little of that, and none of it pure in methodology.

yeah, I remember a lot of confused people.