Israel Vows to Expand Gaza Airstrikes as Death Toll Passes 200

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Byrdie714 said:
Cast off the shackles of Hamas oppression? Remember that in form of democracy--the Palestinians elected the Hamas to represent them.

In spirit of respecting one's vote--it's the Israeli's and the Americans that couldn't accept/nor respect their decision of their elected officials.

That doesn't show goodwill.

We don't like who the Russians elected into power but at least we work with their government. We are just refusing to extend the same thought towards the Palestinians.
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excellent zing. :cool2:
 
How Hitler Became a Dictator
by Jacob G. Hornberger, Posted June 28, 2004



Whenever U.S. officials wish to demonize someone, they inevitably compare him to Adolf Hitler. The message immediately resonates with people because everyone knows that Hitler was a brutal dictator.

But how many people know how Hitler actually became a dictator? My bet is, very few. I’d also bet that more than a few people would be surprised at how he pulled it off, especially given that after World War I Germany had become a democratic republic.

The story of how Hitler became a dictator is set forth in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer, on which this article is based.

In the presidential election held on March 13, 1932, there were four candidates: the incumbent, Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg, Hitler, and two minor candidates, Ernst Thaelmann and Theodore Duesterberg. The results were:

Hindenburg 49.6 percent
Hitler 30.1 percent
Thaelmann 13.2 percent
Duesterberg 6.8 percent

At the risk of belaboring the obvious, almost 70 percent of the German people voted against Hitler, causing his supporter Joseph Goebbels, who would later become Hitler’s minister of propaganda, to lament in his journal, “We’re beaten; terrible outlook. Party circles badly depressed and dejected.”

Since Hindenberg had not received a majority of the vote, however, a runoff election had to be held among the top three vote-getters. On April 19, 1932, the runoff results were:

Hindenburg 53.0 percent
Hitler 36.8 percent
Thaelmann 10.2 percent


Thus, even though Hitler’s vote total had risen, he still had been decisively rejected by the German people.

On June 1, 1932, Hindenberg appointed Franz von Papen as chancellor of Germany, whom Shirer described as an “unexpected and ludicrous figure.” Papen immediately dissolved the Reichstag (the national congress) and called for new elections, the third legislative election in five months.

Hitler and his fellow members of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party, who were determined to bring down the republic and establish dictatorial rule in Germany, did everything they could to create chaos in the streets, including initiating political violence and murder. The situation got so bad that martial law was proclaimed in Berlin.

Even though Hitler had badly lost the presidential election, he was drawing ever-larger crowds during the congressional election. As Shirer points out,

In one day, July 27, he spoke to 60,000 persons in Brandenburg, to nearly as many in Potsdam, and that evening to 120,000 massed in the giant Grunewald Stadium in Berlin while outside an additional 100,000 heard his voice by loudspeaker.

Hitler’s rise to power


The July 31, 1932, election produced a major victory for Hitler’s National Socialist Party. The party won 230 seats in the Reichstag, making it Germany’s largest political party, but it still fell short of a majority in the 608-member body.
On the basis of that victory, Hitler demanded that President Hindenburg appoint him chancellor and place him in complete control of the state. Otto von Meissner, who worked for Hindenburg, later testified at Nuremberg,

Hindenburg replied that because of the tense situation he could not in good conscience risk transferring the power of government to a new party such as the National Socialists, which did not command a majority and which was intolerant, noisy and undisciplined.
Political deadlocks in the Reichstag soon brought a new election, this one in November 6, 1932. In that election, the Nazis lost two million votes and 34 seats. Thus, even though the National Socialist Party was still the largest political party, it had clearly lost ground among the voters.

Attempting to remedy the chaos and the deadlocks, Hindenburg fired Papen and appointed an army general named Kurt von Schleicher as the new German chancellor. Unable to secure a majority coalition in the Reichstag, however, Schleicher finally tendered his resignation to Hindenburg, 57 days after he had been appointed.

On January 30, 1933, President Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler chancellor of Germany. Although the National Socialists never captured more than 37 percent of the national vote, and even though they still held a minority of cabinet posts and fewer than 50 percent of the seats in the Reichstag, Hitler and the Nazis set out to to consolidate their power. With Hitler as chancellor, that proved to be a fairly easy task.


How Hitler Became a Dictator

Simpleman was in error.
 
Reba said:
I hope that the good Palestinian people will some day soon cast off the shackles of Hamas oppression. It's groups like Hamas and leaders like the late Arafat who keep their people wallowing in camps of poverty and powerlessness. They need a clear vision of who the real oppressors are.
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This link talked about Arafat's corruption....
Understanding Palestinian Poverty

It is my opinion that Hamas is no different from Arafat's Fatah party. Is there a Palestinian party that doesn't espouse hatred toward Israel????
 
SimpleMan said:
Wow, hot topic..... my post is already a couple pages back. Yes Jiro, the Palestinians chose Hamas, although they didn't have much choice otherwise..... yet they could still have rebelled when then Hamas ignored ceasefire and kept launching missiles into Isreal.

Isreal has given 3 hours break every day in their attacks to give the inncoents time to get away from the fighting, it may not be much, but they are sympathetic.

The point of my post (#338 of this thread) was just that the terrorists Hamas are the cause of this retaliation by Isreal. I know the Palestinians in Gaza chose Hamas in error, just like the people in Germany chose Hitler in the late 1930's. Innocent civilians die in war. It is inevitable, and it sucks. I mentioned our carpet bombing in WWII only for an example, I did not mean for others to go off topic with that example. Yes, in modern times, we and Isreal have precision munitions, but if you understand war, they cannot be used for every single attack.

There are people all over the world putting blame on Isreal and saying they are terrorists because civilians are dieing also, just like they call US terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq. As I stated and it's common knowledge, Isreal is doing what they can to try and keep the civilian casualties to a minimum (with the 3 hour breaks for them to get farther away from the fighting, etc), but Hamas is using them as shields any time they can, just as Al-Qaeda has always done.

Isreal has had enough and is finally retaliating against Hamas, as it's Hamas that has vowed Isreal's destruction and ignored the ceasefire that existed most of last year. It is the same as if some fanatics in Mexico were launching rockets into crowded US cities, we would retaliate eventually, especially if they ignored a ceasefire such as Hamas has done. The primary purpose of government is to defend its people, not give handouts (welfare), not repeatedly attempt diplomacy which is ignored (ceasefire, but Hamas kept firing rockets anyways; or Suddam ignoring the countless sanctions and requests of the UN), but they must eventually defend the people.

People are saying Isreal should stop fighting and solve this through diplomacy, but as I just stated above, they have tried and it failed. Retaliation is the only option left. The Palestinian civilians should be getting as far away from the fighting as they can with each 3 hour break they're given, and it's unfortunate if they don't because then their still in harms way.

It all comes down to the fact that if the people of the world are to be mad at anyone about all this, they should be mad at Hamas for defying attempts at diplomacy and continuing firing the rockets into Isreal which in the end provoked this retaliation, and for Hamas using innocents as shields which is even worse.


For Macian, I'm sorry, I've only read a couple of your posts in this thread, but it seems like you are missing most points, and in many cases just don't know what is going on. You were saying that hatred towards the US is because of our religion manipulating our government, yet in reality religion plays almost no part in our government since our country is a 'melting pot' not only of nationalities but also religions. Our government was founded on base with Christianity which involves forgiveness, morals and family values. If anything, it is the fact that our religions and government are separate that is more of a problem and we are losing the forgiveness, morals and family values that this country was founded on. In the case with the radicals that hate the US, like Al-Qaeda, well they hate anybody that is not them. If you don't shared their beliefs, you are an infidel. The US believes in 'live and let live', but if you cause problems and diplomacy fails, then we will defend ourselves.
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The Founding Fathers were NOT Christian. Do some research. Google is your friend. :)
 
Buffalo said:
This link talked about Arafat's corruption....
Understanding Palestinian Poverty

It is my opinion that Hamas is no different from Arafat's Fatah party. Is there a Palestinian party that doesn't espouse hatred toward Israel????
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Arafat won the Nobel Peace prize.....

I don't think he was espousing hatred towards the Israeli's. More like fairness for the Palestinians.
 
Maria said:
Show me, please ? :)
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you should know since you live here long enough... I'm not even born in America and it's an easy answer.... it's a sham... :|
 
The real Arafat:
Yassir Arafat: 1929-2004

EARLY LIFE

It's ironic that the man who personified the Palestinian movement was neither born in the region it claims, nor conforms to his own organization's definition of Palestinian identity. Yassir Arafat, whose real name is Abdel-Rahman Abdel-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini, was born in August 1929 in Cairo, son of an Egyptian textile merchant. He was sent to Jerusalem as a small child after his mother died, then returned to Egypt via Gaza.

Throughout his career, Arafat's Egyptian background was a political impediment and source of personal embarrassment. One biographer notes that upon first meeting him in 1967, 'West Bankers did not like his Egyptian accent and ways and found them alien,' and to the very end Arafat employed an aide to translate his Egyptian dialect into Palestinian Arabic for conversing with his West Bank and Gaza subjects.

As a young man, Arafat took no part in the formative experience of the Palestinian movement ― the 1948 Arab-Israeli war ― but he would nonetheless claim refugee status throughout his life: 'I am a refugee,' he cried out in a 1969 interview, 'Do you know what it means to be a refugee? I am a poor and helpless man. I have nothing, for I was expelled and dispossessed of my homeland.' (Arafat's congenital lying would continue for decades.)

FATAH AND THE PLO

In the mid-1950s, Arafat joined the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, then rose to the head of the Palestine Student Union at the University of Cairo. In the late 1950s Arafat moved to Kuwait, where he co-founded Fatah ('Palestine National Liberation Movement' ― an acronym meaning 'conquest'), the faction that would later gain control over the entire Palestinian movement. Fatah's motley ranks of Islamists, communists and pan-Arabists expanded via brute violence. 'People aren't attracted to speeches, but rather to bullets,' Arafat quipped at this stage. (At right: Fatah logo of rifles and grenades over Israel)

Fatah began military-style training in Syria and Algeria in 1964, and the following year tried unsuccessfully to blow up a major Israeli water pump. Fatah's stated goal was the obliteration of the State of Israel, and well before the 1967 war would supply a pretext, Arafat's organization repeatedly attacked Israeli buses, homes, villages and rail lines.

This violence against Israeli civilians was a pillar of the Palestinian National Covenant (the foundational charter of the Palestinian Liberation Organization - PLO), which states that 'the liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence' and that 'armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine and is therefore a strategy and not a tactic.' (Despite repeated Palestinian commitments in the late 1990s to annul these sections of the covenant, it was never officially changed.)

Arafat's public profile got a boost in 1968, when the IDF raided a Fatah terrorist stronghold in the Jordanian village of al-Karameh. The uniformed, keffiyah-clad Arafat took this opportunity to project himself as a fearless Arab leader who, despite the post-Six Day War gloom, dared to confront the Israelis. The image stuck, and Fatah's numbers swelled with new recruits.

Arafat and Fatah consolidated power through bribery, extortion and murder, and at the Palestinian National Congress in Cairo in February 1969, Arafat was appointed head of the PLO ― a position he would never relinquish.

JORDAN, LEBANON AND TUNISIA

By the late 1960s, heavily-armed, Arafat-led Palestinians had formed a terrorist 'state within a state' in Jordan, not only attacking Israeli civilian targets, but also seizing control of Jordanian infrastructure.

The tension reached a height during late 1970, when Jordan's King Hussein cracked down on the Palestinian factions. During this bloody conflict, known as 'Black September', Palestinians hijacked four Western airliners and blew one up on a Cairo runway, to both embarrass the Egyptians and Jordanians and, in their words, 'teach the Americans a lesson for their long-standing support of Israel.' With the broad publicity this generated, Arafat had hit the world stage.

When King Hussein drove Arafat's faction out of his Jordanian kingdom (causing thousands of civilian deaths), they relocated in Lebanon. As in Jordan, Arafat soon triggered a bloody civil war in his previously stable host country. Simultaneously, the PLO launched intermittent attacks on Israeli towns from southern Lebanese positions.

Yassir Arafat then brought the high-profile terrorist act to western soil. In Sept. 1972, Fatah-backed terrorists kidnapped and murdered 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic games. And in 1973, Arafat ordered his operatives in the Khartoum, Sudan office of Fatah to abduct and murder US Ambassador Cleo Noel and two other diplomats. (In 2004, the FBI finally opened an official investigation against Arafat for the Khartoum murders.)

The wanton violence fueled Arafat's political goals, as his presence on the world stage grew: In 1974, he became the first representative of a nongovernmental organization to address a plenary session of the UN General Assembly. In the speech, with a gun holster strapped to his hip, Arafat compared himself to George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Arab heads of states declared the PLO the sole legitimate representative of all Palestinians, the PLO was granted full membership in the Arab League in 1976, and by 1980 was fully recognized by European nations.

In 1978-82, the IDF invaded Lebanon to root out PLO groups that had continually terrorized the northern Israeli populace. The U.S. brokered a cease-fire deal in which Arafat and the PLO were allowed to leave Lebanon; Arafat and the PLO leadership eventually settled in Tunisia, which remained his center of operations until 1993.

During the 1980s, Arafat received financial assistance from Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, which allowed him to rebuild the battered PLO. This was particularly useful during the first Palestinian intifada in 1987 ― Arafat took control of the violence from afar, and it was mainly due to Fatah forces in the West Bank that the anti-Israel terror and civil unrest could be maintained. Arafat would then become nearly the only world leader to support Saddam Hussein in the 1991 Gulf War. (Saddam would later repay this loyalty by sending $25,000 checks to families of Palestinian suicide bombers.)

THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY

In the early 1990s, the U.S. led Israel and the PLO to negotiations that spawned the 1993 Oslo Accords, an agreement that called for the implementation of Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period. The following year Arafat was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize along with Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin.

In 1994, Arafat moved his headquarters to the West Bank and Gaza to run the Palestinian Authority, an entity created by the Oslo Accords. Arafat brought with him from Tunisia an aging PLO leadership that would bolster his ongoing monopoly over all Palestinian funds, power and authority. Elections in 1996 extended Arafat's control over the PA, but under the Oslo agreement, the term of that candidacy ended in 1999. Arafat never allowed new elections to take place.

While Israel went about implementing its side of the Oslo agreements ― removing troops from nearly all Palestinian areas, recognizing the PA, and educating for peace ― the PA utterly failed to live up to its commitment to renounce and uproot anti-Israel terrorism. Instead, unprecedented incitement from Arafat's official PA media and school textbooks, and active and passive PA support for terrorist groups led to a string of suicide bombings in the mid-1990s that killed scores of Israeli civilians. In October, 1996, at the height of the Oslo years, Arafat cried out to a Bethlehem crowd, 'We know only one word - jihad! Jihad, jihad, jihad! Whoever does not like it can drink from the Dead Sea or from the Sea of Gaza.'

In July 2000, U.S. president Bill Clinton attempted to keep the Oslo Accords viable by convening a summit at Camp David between Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. There, Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in Gaza and 92% of the West Bank, and a capital in East Jerusalem ― the most generous offer ever from an Israeli government. Yassir Arafat rejected the offer and ended negotiations without a counteroffer. As American envoy Dennis Ross concluded, 'Arafat could not accept Camp David... because when the conflict ends, the cause that defines Arafat also ends.'

Immediately following this breakdown, the PA media machine under Arafat's control ramped up the war rhetoric, and preparations were made for riots that were unleashed following Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount. The Arafat-supported 'al Aqsa intifada' would continue for four years. This unprecedented wave of anti-Israel terrorism, which would result in over 1,000 Israeli deaths, was marked by over 120 Palestinian suicide bombers and the growth of an Islamic martyrdom cult.

This stage of violence revealed that Arafat and the PA had never abandoned their longstanding plans to liquidate the Jewish state. Arafat had told an Arab audience in Stockholm in 1996, 'We plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion... We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem.' Likewise, Arafat explained to a South African crowd in 1994 that the Oslo agreement was merely a tactical ruse in the larger battle to destroy the Jewish state ― a modern version of the Muslim prophet Mohammed's trickery against the ancient tribe of Quraysh. Arafat's colleague Faisal al-Husseini was even more explicit, describing the Oslo process as a 'Trojan Horse' designed to promote the strategic goal of 'Palestine from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea' ― that is, a Palestine in place of Israel.

TERRORIST TO THE END

The final phase in Arafat's life-long commitment to organized terror was channeled through the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade, a Fatah group that was responsible for many of the most deadly attacks against Israeli civilians between 2000-2004. Though many media outlets described a mere 'loose affiliation' between Arafat and this terrorist group, the evidence clearly indicated a direct financial and organizational bond between the two:

▪ In November, 2003 a BBC investigation found that up to $50,000 a month was funneled by Fatah, with Arafat's approval, directly to the Al Aqsa Brigades, for the purpose of organizing bombings, snipings and ambushes against Israeli civilians.

▪ Documents captured by the IDF in 2002 indicated Fatah's 'systematic, institutionalized and ongoing financing' of the Al Aqsa Brigades.

▪ The leader of the Al Aqsa Brigades in Tulkarm told USA Today on March 14, 2002: 'The truth is, we are Fatah, but we didn't operate under the name of Fatah...We are the armed wing of the organization. We receive our instructions from Fatah. Our commander is Yasser Arafat himself.'

In addition, Arafat granted free rein to the radical Islamic terrorist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad to perpetrate dozens of horrific acts of civilian murder between 2000-2004.

DELEGITIMIZATION

In January 2002, the Israeli Navy seized a Gaza-bound, PA-owned freighter ― the Karine A ― that was loaded with more than fifty tons of Iranian ammunition and weapons, including dozens of surface-to-surface Katyusha rockets.

In June 2002, upon recognizing Arafat's ongoing financing and abetting of terrorism, U.S. President Bush called for Arafat's removal from power. Progress toward peace required, according to Bush, 'a new and different Palestinian leadership...not compromised by terror.' Release of a U.S.-backed 'road map' for settling the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was therefore delayed until such a new Palestinian leader emerged. On its part, the Israeli government chose to isolate Arafat in his Ramallah compound, the 'Muqata', where he would remain from early 2002 until his final days, and where he was buried.

In April 2003, hours after Mahmoud Abbas assumed the role of Palestinian prime minister, the official road map was released and diplomatic progress began. But Arafat consistently undercut the authority of Abbas, leading to Abbas' resignation and the halting of the road map peace process.

CORRUPTION, AUTOCRACY, JIHAD

Over the course of his 'revolutionary' career, Arafat siphoned off hundreds of millions of dollars of international aid money intended to reach the Palestinian people.

Estimates of the degree of Arafat's wealth differ, but are all staggering: In 2003, Forbes magazine listed Arafat in its annual list of the wealthiest 'Kings, Queens and Despots,' with a fortune of 'at least $300 million.' Israeli and US officials estimate Arafat's personal holdings between $1-3 billion.

And while the average Palestinian barely subsisted, Arafat's wife Suha (at left) in Paris received $100,000 each month from PA sources as reported on CBS' 60 Minutes. That CBS report also noted that Arafat maintained secret investments in a Ramallah-based Coca Cola plant, a Tunisian cellphone company, and venture capital funds in the U.S. and the Cayman Islands.

Arafat also used foreign aid funds to pay off cronies who bolstered his autocracy: An International Monetary Fund report indicated that upwards of 8% ($135 million) of the PA's annual budget was handed out by Arafat 'at his sole discretion.' And Arafat's select PA policemen, far from keeping the peace, were repeatedly among the suicide bombers and snipers.

Money was just one method of strengthening Arafat's power apparatus. Critics of his PA government were routinely imprisoned, tortured or beaten. One example: In 1999, Muawiya Al-Masri, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council, described Arafat's corruption to a Jordanian newspaper. For this, he was attacked by a gang of masked men and shot three times. Al-Masri survived the ordeal and described Arafat's grip on PA power: 'There is no institutional process. There is only one institution ― the Presidency, which has no law and order and is based on bribing top officials.'

From 2000-2004, Arafat permitted Muslim imams to incite unprecedented anti-Israel and anti-American violence from their mosques and through official PA media. Arafat's Religious Affairs Ministry employed preachers who regularly called for children to 'martyr themselves', and PA television glamorized the act of suicide bombing.

Under Arafat, the Palestinian Authority school textbooks denied Israel's very existence, and jihad was presented to Palestinian children as an admirable course of action. The Jewish people, meanwhile, was represented to schoolchildren as a tricky, greedy and barbarous nation.

Freedom of the press was virtually non-existent during Arafat's reign in Gaza, Jericho and Ramallah ― if it didn't speak favorably of Arafat, it didn't get printed in the PA-controlled media. Moreover, the PA enacted a systematic policy of intimidation of foreign journalists. One case among many: When an AP cameraman captured footage of Palestinian street celebrations following the 9/11 attacks, he was kidnapped, brought to a PA security office, and Arafat's cabinet secretary threatened that the PA 'cannot guarantee [his] life' if the footage was broadcast.

Yet beyond the terrorism, extortion, embezzlement and intimidation lies Arafat's most unfortunate ongoing impact: The inculcation of murderous values in an entire generation of Palestinians, who have been educated ― under Arafat's direction ― to continue the fight of jihad against Israel, rather than compromise to end the decades-long conflict.
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Yassir Arafat: 1929-2004
 
I am not glorifying Yassir Arafat but am pointing out that he did win a Nobel Peace prize.

Why can't you admit that this latest attack on the Palestinians is just "caged hunting" at its best by the Israeli's?
 
Byrdie714 said:
I am not glorifying Yassir Arafat but am pointing out that he did win a Nobel Peace prize.
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That only proves how far the Nobel Peace Prize has declined; it doesn't prove anything good about Arafat.

Why can't you admit that this latest attack on the Palestinians is just "caged hunting" at its best by the Israeli's?
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Because it isn't.

Besides, what's it to you what I believe?
 
Reba said:
That only proves how far the Nobel Peace Prize has declined; it doesn't prove anything good about Arafat.


Because it isn't.

Besides, what's it to you what I believe?
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Excuse me? The Gaza Strip is fenced which clearly falls under the category of "caged hunting".

:roll:

But I'm not suprise that we are having a debate about this topic as this particular war is hyping up in cyberspace.......

Gaza war also being waged in cyberspace - Yahoo! News
 
Beowulf said:
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The Founding Fathers were NOT Christian. Do some research. Google is your friend. :)
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The original Pilgrim settlers were Christians, and they set up their government following Christian principles.

These principles were taught to subsequent generations of Americans. Our Founding Fathers were all familiar with, and respected, Christian biblical principles. Not every Founding Father had to be a born-again Christian in order to know and support general Judea/Christian principles.

Research goes both ways. Google can be a friend or foe, depending on how it's used. :P
 
Reba said:
The original Pilgrim settlers were Christians, and they set up their government following Christian principles.

These principles were taught to subsequent generations of Americans. Our Founding Fathers were all familiar with, and respected, Christian biblical principles. Not every Founding Father had to be a born-again Christian in order to know and support general Judea/Christian principles.

Research goes both ways. Google can be a friend or foe, depending on how it's used. :P
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Touche! :lol:
 
Byrdie714 said:
Excuse me? The Gaza Strip is fenced which clearly falls under the category of "caged hunting".
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I didn't know that caged hunting involved prey that first fired rockets at the predators. :roll:

No, this is not "caged hunting." Using incendiary terms to stir up emotional responses is not legitimate debate of the facts.
 
Reba said:
Google can be a friend or foe, depending on how it's used. :P
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Agreed to the max! Google can be useful for quick info.. but sometimes the sources you look up are not aways supposed to be agreed/or even disputed first up the bat.

When I finished college in '06, most sources that we could google up for quick answers were 'banned' by the professors. We have to rely on real journals, real work credited by actual doctors/professors, and such so on.
I suppose you could say that they were getting tired of the copypasta crap.
 
Reba said:
The original Pilgrim settlers were Christians, and they set up their government following Christian principles.

These principles were taught to subsequent generations of Americans. Our Founding Fathers were all familiar with, and respected, Christian biblical principles. Not every Founding Father had to be a born-again Christian in order to know and support general Judea/Christian principles.

Research goes both ways. Google can be a friend or foe, depending on how it's used. :P
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They poisoned the Native Americans at their first feast. Is that a lie? :P
 
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