Israel Vows to Expand Gaza Airstrikes as Death Toll Passes 200

[Reba]

oh dear Reba I do wonder about you sometimes

the US is a target for them because of your support against the whole world and the UN who wishes to sanction them, yes the UK are now a target after supporting the US, but we also vote for sanctions agauinst israel,

Do you really believe that all the Islamic terror would end if the USA sanctioned Israel? Or is it possible that the USA's support for Israel is the only thing that prevents Arab countries from pulling out all stops against Israel?

all of the hatred from the middle east is derived from your countires religious manipulation of political process, nothing more nothing less!
when you dump religion from having any influence in your senate, your country will realise the mistakes they have made, and misguided support, dont you ever stop to ask why you are the only country in the world not condemming them?

Majority is not always the same as rightness. History attests to that.

yes we condemn hamas too, but they dont have the technology nor the means to kill on the scale Israel are doing now

If Hamas did have the technology and means, you don't think they would hesitate to use it?

it seems justification is, well they fire rockets! kill what half a dozen yet you seem to justify the killing of what 7-8 hundred, as Jiro said it's overkill, are we so uneducated to think it's just that! or have they got an ulterior motive?

What would that ulterior motive be?

come on you all know they can take out threats without killing kids, they have US technology, you gave them it.

The US military also has US technology, and we can't send out rockets without collateral damage (civilian casualties) either. Technology is only as good as current accurate intelligence of the target is.

it pains me to see educated people being played like pawns!!

I feel the same way. It's very painful and disappointing to see intelligent, concerned people fall sway to Palestinian propaganda.

yes i see Hamas as being terrorists, yet i still beleive it doesnt give Israel the right to act like terrorists too, how can they justify killing ten innocents to get one memberof hamas!!
oh I admit it pains me

I never said that the acts of Hamas justify any terrorist acts by Israel. But Israel's strikes are not terrorism. I believe the cause of Israel is just, and most of their actions have been justified. I would never say that every move of every soldier is right every time. All sides make mistakes in war, and there are rotten apples in every army. But in general, I support Israel.

Why don't the Palestinians question why their leaders set them up for attack by Israel? Also, why do Palestinian leaders take all the money for themselves? Arafat and his wife lived in luxury in Paris while the people starved in camps.

If you notice, whenever a rocket is detected coming into Israel, the Israeli's blare sirens, and the people run to their shelters. What happens in Palestinian areas? The people stand on their rooftops and in the streets watching the missiles fall. No wonder they have such high casualties! Yes, it was a sad interview with some of the Palestinian kids talking about their little friend who was killed. But did you notice that the kids said, "We were just out on the streets watching the bombs when one hit our friend." (It should have been captioned on the news.) Why do Palestinian parents let their kids do that? That makes me angry. It seems that the Hamas leaders prefer to have bloody kid bodies to show the world than to tell their kids to take shelter during bombings. There's your ulterior motive.

 

[Jiro]

Many of their fellow Arabs consider them terrorists also. That's why they kicked them out of their countries.

which is why the terrorists set off bombs in Saudi Arabia. The Royal Saudis spare no mercy to domestic dissents. It's punishable by death.

 

[Jiro]

ouch.... excellent rebuttal in post #441, Reba. I'm afraid I'm at loss for word for now. to be continued.

 

[Macian]

Do you really believe that all the Islamic terror would end if the USA sanctioned Israel? Or is it possible that the USA's support for Israel is the only thing that prevents Arab countries from pulling out all stops against Israel?


Majority is not always the same as rightness. History attests to that.


If Hamas did have the technology and means, you don't think they would hesitate to use it?


What would that ulterior motive be?


The US military also has US technology, and we can't send out rockets without collateral damage (civilian casualties) either. Technology is only as good as current accurate intelligence of the target is.


I feel the same way. It's very painful and disappointing to see intelligent, concerned people fall sway to Palestinian propaganda.


I never said that the acts of Hamas justify any terrorist acts by Israel. But Israel's strikes are not terrorism. I believe the cause of Israel is just, and most of their actions have been justified. I would never say that every move of every soldier is right every time. All sides make mistakes in war, and there are rotten apples in every army. But in general, I support Israel.

Why don't the Palestinians question why their leaders set them up for attack by Israel? Also, why do Palestinian leaders take all the money for themselves? Arafat and his wife lived in luxury in Paris while the people starved in camps.

If you notice, whenever a rocket is detected coming into Israel, the Israeli's blare sirens, and the people run to their shelters. What happens in Palestinian areas? The people stand on their rooftops and in the streets watching the missiles fall. No wonder they have such high casualties! Yes, it was a sad interview with some of the Palestinian kids talking about their little friend who was killed. But did you notice that the kids said, "We were just out on the streets watching the bombs when one hit our friend." (It should have been captioned on the news.) Why do Palestinian parents let their kids do that? That makes me angry. It seems that the Hamas leaders prefer to have bloody kid bodies to show the world than to tell their kids to take shelter during bombings. There's your ulterior motive.

oh i hear you reba, we will never agree on this one, so best agree to disagree on this one.
and pray no more kids die, or so many civilians on either side

 

[Macian]

Do you really believe that all the Islamic terror would end if the USA sanctioned Israel? Or is it possible that the USA's support for Israel is the only thing that prevents Arab countries from pulling out all stops against Israel?


Majority is not always the same as rightness. History attests to that.


If Hamas did have the technology and means, you don't think they would hesitate to use it?


What would that ulterior motive be?


The US military also has US technology, and we can't send out rockets without collateral damage (civilian casualties) either. Technology is only as good as current accurate intelligence of the target is.


I feel the same way. It's very painful and disappointing to see intelligent, concerned people fall sway to Palestinian propaganda.


I never said that the acts of Hamas justify any terrorist acts by Israel. But Israel's strikes are not terrorism. I believe the cause of Israel is just, and most of their actions have been justified. I would never say that every move of every soldier is right every time. All sides make mistakes in war, and there are rotten apples in every army. But in general, I support Israel.

Why don't the Palestinians question why their leaders set them up for attack by Israel? Also, why do Palestinian leaders take all the money for themselves? Arafat and his wife lived in luxury in Paris while the people starved in camps.

If you notice, whenever a rocket is detected coming into Israel, the Israeli's blare sirens, and the people run to their shelters. What happens in Palestinian areas? The people stand on their rooftops and in the streets watching the missiles fall. No wonder they have such high casualties! Yes, it was a sad interview with some of the Palestinian kids talking about their little friend who was killed. But did you notice that the kids said, "We were just out on the streets watching the bombs when one hit our friend." (It should have been captioned on the news.) Why do Palestinian parents let their kids do that? That makes me angry. It seems that the Hamas leaders prefer to have bloody kid bodies to show the world than to tell their kids to take shelter during bombings. There's your ulterior motive.

ps the israeli's will be grateful for techonology, no doubt supplied by the US, or maybe im wrong and they supply warning alerts for the palestians too..

 

[Byrdie714]

WOW!

Macian's back?

 

[jillio]

WOW!

Macian's back?

Yeah, ain't it great?

 

[Byrdie714]

Not only this conflict is getting old but it's more than just a religious war between the Israeli's and the Hamas.

It's a war between the haves and the have nots.

 

[Macian]

WOW!

Macian's back?

did ye miss me
yep back and as politically correct as ever how ye doing

 

[Byrdie714]

did ye miss me
yep back and as politically correct as ever how ye doing

Politically correct?

Anyway back to the topic. I think it may be this:

Not only this conflict is getting old but it's more than just a religious war between the Israeli's and the Hamas.

It's a war between the haves and the have nots.

 

[naisho]

Hey byrdie, did you see that pic of the guy who went nuder on the ski lift?

 

[SimpleMan]

Wow, hot topic..... my post is already a couple pages back. Yes Jiro, the Palestinians chose Hamas, although they didn't have much choice otherwise..... yet they could still have rebelled when then Hamas ignored ceasefire and kept launching missiles into Isreal.

Isreal has given 3 hours break every day in their attacks to give the inncoents time to get away from the fighting, it may not be much, but they are sympathetic.

The point of my post (#338 of this thread) was just that the terrorists Hamas are the cause of this retaliation by Isreal. I know the Palestinians in Gaza chose Hamas in error, just like the people in Germany chose Hitler in the late 1930's. Innocent civilians die in war. It is inevitable, and it sucks. I mentioned our carpet bombing in WWII only for an example, I did not mean for others to go off topic with that example. Yes, in modern times, we and Isreal have precision munitions, but if you understand war, they cannot be used for every single attack.

There are people all over the world putting blame on Isreal and saying they are terrorists because civilians are dieing also, just like they call US terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq. As I stated and it's common knowledge, Isreal is doing what they can to try and keep the civilian casualties to a minimum (with the 3 hour breaks for them to get farther away from the fighting, etc), but Hamas is using them as shields any time they can, just as Al-Qaeda has always done.

Isreal has had enough and is finally retaliating against Hamas, as it's Hamas that has vowed Isreal's destruction and ignored the ceasefire that existed most of last year. It is the same as if some fanatics in Mexico were launching rockets into crowded US cities, we would retaliate eventually, especially if they ignored a ceasefire such as Hamas has done. The primary purpose of government is to defend its people, not give handouts (welfare), not repeatedly attempt diplomacy which is ignored (ceasefire, but Hamas kept firing rockets anyways; or Suddam ignoring the countless sanctions and requests of the UN), but they must eventually defend the people.

People are saying Isreal should stop fighting and solve this through diplomacy, but as I just stated above, they have tried and it failed. Retaliation is the only option left. The Palestinian civilians should be getting as far away from the fighting as they can with each 3 hour break they're given, and it's unfortunate if they don't because then their still in harms way.

It all comes down to the fact that if the people of the world are to be mad at anyone about all this, they should be mad at Hamas for defying attempts at diplomacy and continuing firing the rockets into Isreal which in the end provoked this retaliation, and for Hamas using innocents as shields which is even worse.


For Macian, I'm sorry, I've only read a couple of your posts in this thread, but it seems like you are missing most points, and in many cases just don't know what is going on. You were saying that hatred towards the US is because of our religion manipulating our government, yet in reality religion plays almost no part in our government since our country is a 'melting pot' not only of nationalities but also religions. Our government was founded on base with Christianity which involves forgiveness, morals and family values. If anything, it is the fact that our religions and government are separate that is more of a problem and we are losing the forgiveness, morals and family values that this country was founded on. In the case with the radicals that hate the US, like Al-Qaeda, well they hate anybody that is not them. If you don't shared their beliefs, you are an infidel. The US believes in 'live and let live', but if you cause problems and diplomacy fails, then we will defend ourselves.

 

[Byrdie714]

Wow, hot topic..... my post is already a couple pages back. Yes Jiro, the Palestinians chose Hamas, although they didn't have much choice otherwise..... yet they could still have rebelled when then Hamas ignored ceasefire and kept launching missiles into Isreal.

Isreal has given 3 hours break every day in their attacks to give the inncoents time to get away from the fighting, it may not be much, but they are sympathetic.

The point of my post (#338 of this thread) was just that the terrorists Hamas are the cause of this retaliation by Isreal. I know the Palestinians in Gaza chose Hamas in error, just like the people in Germany chose Hitler in the late 1930's. Innocent civilians die in war. It is inevitable, and it sucks. I mentioned our carpet bombing in WWII only for an example, I did not mean for others to go off topic with that example. Yes, in modern times, we and Isreal have precision munitions, but if you understand war, they cannot be used for every single attack.

There are people all over the world putting blame on Isreal and saying they are terrorists because civilians are dieing also, just like they call US terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq. As I stated and it's common knowledge, Isreal is doing what they can to try and keep the civilian casualties to a minimum (with the 3 hour breaks for them to get farther away from the fighting, etc), but Hamas is using them as shields any time they can, just as Al-Qaeda has always done.

Isreal has had enough and is finally retaliating against Hamas, as it's Hamas that has vowed Isreal's destruction and ignored the ceasefire that existed most of last year. It is the same as if some fanatics in Mexico were launching rockets into crowded US cities, we would retaliate eventually, especially if they ignored a ceasefire such as Hamas has done. The primary purpose of government is to defend its people, not give handouts (welfare), not repeatedly attempt diplomacy which is ignored (ceasefire, but Hamas kept firing rockets anyways; or Suddam ignoring the countless sanctions and requests of the UN), but they must eventually defend the people.

People are saying Isreal should stop fighting and solve this through diplomacy, but as I just stated above, they have tried and it failed. Retaliation is the only option left. The Palestinian civilians should be getting as far away from the fighting as they can with each 3 hour break they're given, and it's unfortunate if they don't because then their still in harms way.

It all comes down to the fact that if the people of the world are to be mad at anyone about all this, they should be mad at Hamas for defying attempts at diplomacy and continuing firing the rockets into Isreal which in the end provoked this retaliation, and for Hamas using innocents as shields which is even worse.


For Macian, I'm sorry, I've only read a couple of your posts in this thread, but it seems like you are missing most points, and in many cases just don't know what is going on. You were saying that hatred towards the US is because of our religion manipulating our government, yet in reality religion plays almost no part in our government since our country is a 'melting pot' not only of nationalities but also religions. Our government was founded on base with Christianity which involves forgiveness, morals and family values. If anything, it is the fact that our religions and government are separate that is more of a problem and we are losing the forgiveness, morals and family values that this country was founded on. In the case with the radicals that hate the US, like Al-Qaeda, well they hate anybody that is not them. If you don't shared their beliefs, you are an infidel. The US believes in 'live and let live', but if you cause problems and diplomacy fails, then we will defend ourselves.

How can the Palestinians get away from the Israeli bombings when their border is sealed by the Israeli's ?

What Israel is doing now is nothing but short of euthansia of the Palestinians. If you lived in Gaza and see that the Israeli's have the best of everything and you have nothing. Electricity, better health care, etc, etc.....wouldn't you be a little pissed?

And secondly for those that are defending Israel--how can you justify their actions considering that the International American Red Cross has scolded Israel for their humanitarian treatment of the Palestinians?

 

[Byrdie714]

Hey byrdie, did you see that pic of the guy who went nuder on the ski lift?

The only one I am aware of is the one hanging off the ski lift--baring his butt. Is that the one you are talking about?

 

[jillio]

How can the Palestinians get away from the Israeli bombings when their border is sealed by the Israeli's ?

What Israel is doing now is nothing but short of euthansia of the Palestinians. If you lived in Gaza and see that the Israeli's have the best of everything and you have nothing. Electricity, better health care, etc, etc.....wouldn't you be a little pissed?
And secondly for those that are defending Israel--how can you justify their actions considering that the International American Red Cross has scolded Israel for their humanitarian treatment of the Palestinians?

The oppressed with eventually always rise against the opressor. A lesson we should have all learned from history.

 

[BradB08]

How can the Palestinians get away from the Israeli bombings when their border is sealed by the Israeli's ?

What Israel is doing now is nothing but short of euthansia of the Palestinians. If you lived in Gaza and see that the Israeli's have the best of everything and you have nothing. Electricity, better health care, etc, etc.....wouldn't you be a little pissed?

And secondly for those that are defending Israel--how can you justify their actions considering that the International American Red Cross has scolded Israel for their humanitarian treatment of the Palestinians?

Right on man!

I see this latest exercise of Israel's might as illegal, immoral and an escalation of a conflict that seems to have no end in sight.

However, it will never truly end until both sides come to a realization that they are being played against each other for the benefits of others and that they need to wake up and see this.

 

[Macian]

For Macian, I'm sorry, I've only read a couple of your posts in this thread, but it seems like you are missing most points, and in many cases just don't know what is going on. You were saying that hatred towards the US is because of our religion manipulating our government, yet in reality religion plays almost no part in our government since our country is a 'melting pot' not only of nationalities but also religions. Our government was founded on base with Christianity which involves forgiveness, morals and family values. If anything, it is the fact that our religions and government are separate that is more of a problem and we are losing the forgiveness, morals and family values that this country was founded on. In the case with the radicals that hate the US, like Al-Qaeda, well they hate anybody that is not them. If you don't shared their beliefs, you are an infidel. The US believes in 'live and let live', but if you cause problems and diplomacy fails, then we will defend ourselves.

i was referring the the jewish influence on senate be it financial or other, which is why the US are one of the only countries not condemning Israels actions

 

[Reba]

The oppressed with eventually always rise against the opressor. A lesson we should have all learned from history.

I hope that the good Palestinian people will some day soon cast off the shackles of Hamas oppression. It's groups like Hamas and leaders like the late Arafat who keep their people wallowing in camps of poverty and powerlessness. They need a clear vision of who the real oppressors are.

 

[jillio]

I hope that the good Palestinian people will some day soon cast off the shackles of Hamas oppression. It's groups like Hamas and leaders like the late Arafat who keep their people wallowing in camps of poverty and powerlessness. They need a clear vision of who the real oppressors are.

The "good Palenstinian people" may disagree with you on whom the true oppressor is.

 

[Byrdie714]

I hope that the good Palestinian people will some day soon cast off the shackles of Hamas oppression. It's groups like Hamas and leaders like the late Arafat who keep their people wallowing in camps of poverty and powerlessness. They need a clear vision of who the real oppressors are.

Cast off the shackles of Hamas oppression? Remember that in form of democracy--the Palestinians elected the Hamas to represent them.

In spirit of respecting one's vote--it's the Israeli's and the Americans that couldn't accept/nor respect their decision of their elected officials.

That doesn't show goodwill.

We don't like who the Russians elected into power but at least we work with their government. We are just refusing to extend the same thought towards the Palestinians.