Israel Vows to Expand Gaza Airstrikes as Death Toll Passes 200

[Reba]

...You can actually say Al-Qaeda is a freedom fighter organization if they crashed ONLY into Pentagon. Beside... Pentagon is a military building... hence a military target for any enemies.

Not even; the passengers on that plane weren't soldiers.

 

[Jiro]

Not even; the passengers on that plane weren't soldiers.

a clarification - if they hijacked EMPTY plane from airport and then flew in Pentagon... they can still be considered as Freedom Fighters. but what they did? it's despicable.... thus they're terrorists.

 

[Beowulf]

a clarification - if they hijacked EMPTY plane from airport and then flew in Pentagon... they can still be considered as Freedom Fighters. but what they did? it's despicable.... thus they're terrorists.

Didn't you see the famous video of what struck the Pentagon? HOW is that an airliner?

 

[Reba]

a clarification - if they hijacked EMPTY plane from airport and then flew in Pentagon... they can still be considered as Freedom Fighters. but what they did? it's despicable.... thus they're terrorists.

How so? How would they (who did they represent) obtain freedom for their country (which country) by attacking our Pentagon? Was the USA at war with their nation (which nation)?

 

[Beowulf]

You're being diplomatic for not throttling me, Reba.

 

[Reba]

You're being diplomatic for not throttling me, Reba.

We've been fully around the 9/11 debate tree in other threads, so I see no need to start that dance again.

In fact, to avoid repetition, maybe you could just link your previous threads.

 

[Jiro]

Didn't you see the famous video of what struck the Pentagon? HOW is that an airliner?

lol i don't really want to get into 9/11 conspiracy crap. sorry. for now - it's a plane.

 

[Beowulf]

We've been fully around the 9/11 debate tree in other threads, so I see no need to start that dance again.

In fact, to avoid repetition, maybe you could just link your previous threads.

That would be a timesaver, eh? But actually I am not the same person I was a year ago because of a life-changing situation. I like this place where I find myself but am still learning to let everything go.

 

[Reba]

That would be a timesaver, eh? But actually I am not the same person I was a year ago because of a life-changing situation. I like this place where I find myself but am still learning to let everything go.

Whatever works best for you is fine with me.

 

[Jiro]

How so? How would they (who did they represent) obtain freedom for their country (which country) by attacking our Pentagon? Was the USA at war with their nation (which nation)?

Exactly. this is why Bush is being put in a very difficult position. This is the first time in the history that we're fighting against a faceless enemy with no nation of its own but speaks & fights for "them." Our laws were written for conventional warfare and Geneva Convention doesn't even apply to terrorists like Al-Qaeda.

A terrorist/freedom fighter can declare war on USA without state affiliation. Their organization is their affiliation and they operate on any nations that are too weak & too poor to repel them.... which is why most of them are in Africa and Asia. Leader of Al Qaeda leader was in Afghanistan and since Afghanistan was controlled by Osama bin Laden... we attacked Afghanistan.

so what if there's a new leader of Al-Qaeda residing in Somalia? if the new leader controls Somalia... should we attack Somalia too?

 

[Reba]

Exactly. this is why Bush is being put in a very difficult position. This is the first time in the history that we're fighting against a faceless enemy with no nation of its own but speaks & fights for "them." Our laws were written for conventional warfare and Geneva Convention doesn't even apply to terrorists like Al-Qaeda.

A terrorist/freedom fighter can declare war on USA without state affiliation. Their organization is their affiliation and they operate on any nations that are too weak & too poor to repel them.... which is why most of them are in Africa and Asia. Leader of Al Qaeda leader was in Afghanistan and since Afghanistan was controlled by Osama bin Laden... we attacked Afghanistan.

so what if there's a new leader of Al-Qaeda residing in Somalia? if the new leader controls Somalia... should we attack Somalia too?

Without getting too far of topic, that still doesn't show that they were freedom fighters in any sense of the term. You didn't answer the question of what specific group is seeking "freedom" from what specific captivity.

They are terrorists, plain and simple. They are not freedom fighters by any stretch of the imagination. There is nothing that they are doing or have done that has brought any people any closer to real freedom.

 

[Jiro]

Without getting too far of topic, that still doesn't show that they were freedom fighters in any sense of the term. You didn't answer the question of what specific group is seeking "freedom" from what specific captivity.

They are terrorists, plain and simple. They are not freedom fighters by any stretch of the imagination. There is nothing that they are doing or have done that has brought any people any closer to real freedom.

Freedom Fighters have agenda. Al Qaeda existed to repel Westerners out of Islamic countries and/or to enforce Islamic countries to stick with traditional Islamic way of life (Islamic Fundamentalist).

To Al-Qaeda - we desecrated/vilified/corrupted Islamic countries with our presence and modernity so they declared war on us. They declared war on other Islamic country's government as well for not sticking with Islamic Fundamentalism - Muslim girls wearing jeans and showing skin. People frolicking around. Muslim women having education and rights.

Now that Al-Qaeda resorted to acts of terrorism... they are no longer called Freedom Fighters.

 

[Reba]

Freedom Fighters have agenda. Al Qaeda existed to repel Westerners out of Islamic countries and/or to enforce Islamic countries to stick with traditional Islamic way of life (Islamic Fundamentalist).

So where's the freedom element?

To Al-Qaeda - we desecrated/vilified/corrupted Islamic countries with our presence and modernity so they declared war on us.

"We" did that? To which countries? What kind of presence? Please think this thru.

They declared war on other Islamic country's government as well for not sticking with Islamic Fundamentalism - Muslim girls wearing jeans and showing skin. People frolicking around. Muslim women having education and rights.

Spiritual problems have to be solved with spiritual methods; they can't be solved by physical force.

Now that Al-Qaeda resorted to acts of terrorism... they are no longer called Freedom Fighters.

I'm glad to know that.

 

[Jiro]

So where's the freedom element?

apparently - they have their own definition of freedom. Our definition of freedom is based on democracy. Theirs is based on Koran.

"We" did that? To which countries? What kind of presence? Please think this thru.

It's Al-Qaeda's POV that we're westernizing Middle East to Modern Islamic countries that is completely against Islamic Fundamentalism. Imagine how offended and angry they were when they see Muslim women wearing jeans & t-shirt, frolicking around, and having education. Beside... who are we to say it's the right way to live? That's why they attacked Modern Islamic countries.

Spiritual problems have to be solved with spiritual methods; they can't be solved by physical force.

I guess that's not how they wanna play....

 

[Buffalo]

It's not much different then is it? Remember the Spanish Inquisition? No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition, nor the Crusades!

Nice attempt to slander Islam when Christianity is just as guilty of it.

Spanish Inquisition and Crusades are done by the Catholics which is just a branch of Christianity. I doubt that other branches of Christianity were ever involved in killing people. Don't put other branches of Christianity in the same boat as Catholics.

Read the Koran and see for yourself and don't you dare call me a liar. Have you ever read Koran? It seems to me that you have made up your mind without ever reading the Koran. Better read the Koran first before you made up your mind.

 

[BradB08]

Are you saying that Hamas are legitimate "freedom fighters?"

Terrorists to the Western world, Freedom Fighters to their people.

 

[flip]

We hosted so called terrorist from Palestine in the eighties at my home, as some family members was helping PLO in their fight against Israeli terror. I can tell that they was the most lovely people I have met, and they cooked fantastic food.

 

[Macian]

How so? How would they (who did they represent) obtain freedom for their country (which country) by attacking our Pentagon? Was the USA at war with their nation (which nation)?

oh dear Reba I do wonder about you sometimes

the US is a target for them because of your support against the whole world and the UN who wishes to sanction them, yes the UK are now a target after supporting the US, but we also vote for sanctions agauinst israel, all of the hatred from the middle east is derived from your countires religious manipulation of political process, nothing more nothing less!
when you dump religion from having any influence in your senate, your country will realise the mistakes they have made, and misguided support, dont you ever stop to ask why you are the only country in the world not condemming them? yes we condemn hamas too, but they dont have the technology nor the means to kill on the scale Israel are doing now, it seems justification is, well they fire rockets! kill what half a dozen yet you seem to justify the killing of what 7-8 hundred, as Jiro said it's overkill, are we so uneducated to think it's just that! or have they got an ulterior motive? come on you all know they can take out threats without killing kids, they have US technology, you gave them it.
it pains me to see educated people being played like pawns!!

yes i see Hamas as being terrorists, yet i still beleive it doesnt give Israel the right to act like terrorists too, how can they justify killing ten innocents to get one memberof hamas!!
oh I admit it pains me

 

[Reba]

Terrorists to the Western world, Freedom Fighters to their people.

Many of their fellow Arabs consider them terrorists also. That's why they kicked them out of their countries.

 

[Macian]

Many of their fellow Arabs consider them terrorists also. That's why they kicked them out of their countries.

eem i missed this, its obviously not the palestinians so who are you referring to?/ some people always make the mistake of linking hamas to palestine, thats liek saying the US is all behind Bush.
90 odd percent of the middle east are behind palestine, as we will no doubt find out in the near future