Iran will do military exercise on how to close Strait of Hormuz

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DeafCaroline said:
Furthermore, Iran is against Zionism, not Israel./QUOTE]

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but Israel is, in fact, the product of Zionism. If you are for Israel you are for Zionism by definition which would make Iran's president a Zionist, perhaps someone should mention that to him.

I'm not disagreeing with you about the situation, I agree. I'm just saying, the Israeli government, policy and state are all the same thing.
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kokonut said:
Iranian Suicide Bombers Seek To Attack Israel

"The government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had not responded to the call by Wednesday. Volunteer suicide groups have made similar requests in the past and the government never responded to their calls. "



'30,000 suicide bombers to infiltrate Israel' - Israel News, Ynetnews

Syrian government has not said anything about approving suicide bombers either.

Intent on wiping Israel off the map...can't have a country to take over that's fully radioactive.
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Israel currently has nuclear bombs. Iran doesn't. Hm.

Secondly, Iran said IF Israel attacks, they will fight back.

Israel attacked Syria before, it's no wonder they are getting ready to fight back if they have to.

It's amazing how people keep overlooking the fact that Israel has nuclear bombs and it's Israel threatening to invade Iran, not the other way around. and it's Israel who launched attacks against several countries in the mid-East.

What country did Iran invade? None, in fact, they haven't invaded any countries in literally centuries. They are a far more peaceful nation than either Israel or the US.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but Israel is, in fact, the product of Zionism. If you are for Israel you are for Zionism by definition which would make Iran's president a Zionist, perhaps someone should mention that to him.

I'm not disagreeing with you about the situation, I agree. I'm just saying, the Israeli government, policy and state are all the same thing.
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lol my Jewish friends would disagree with you.
 
Jiro said:
lol my Jewish friends would disagree with you.
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Really, I take it they are not Zionist? Are your friends from Israel? I know there are Jewish people who do not believe in Zion, but they actually believe the state could exist under other rulers such as when the Romans ruled those lands?

I stand corrected if the Jewish people do not believe Israel was created because of the Jewish people and should be ruled by the Jewish people.

Would it be OK with your friends if say the President of Iran, for example, ruled Israel? And, would they feel that the state of Israel exist as a Jewish State if this were the case?

I'm very interested in this.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Israel currently has nuclear bombs. Iran doesn't. Hm.

Secondly, Iran said IF Israel attacks, they will fight back.

Israel attacked Syria before, it's no wonder they are getting ready to fight back if they have to.

It's amazing how people keep overlooking the fact that Israel has nuclear bombs and it's Israel threatening to invade Iran, not the other way around. and it's Israel who launched attacks against several countries in the mid-East.

What country did Iran invade? None, in fact, they haven't invaded any countries in literally centuries. They are a far more peaceful nation than either Israel or the US.
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Hmm...I suppose 1948 doesn't count upon Israel's independence was invaded first by the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia?
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....states such as Iran, Syria and elements within Saudi Arabia have actually increased funding to certain Islamic terror groups. Globalization of terror funding is the result of political and social factors as much as technological ones. Islamic terror groups present a useful strategic tool. This has been particularly exploited by Iran and Syria in their use of Hizballah and Hamas against Israel. As non-state agents, terror groups are capable of carrying out operations without their state backers being directly implicated.
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Terror expert Chris Quillen of the Terrorism Research Center96 writes that states are indirectly responsible for thousands of terrorist deaths
through using non-state entities as agents of their political ambitions. Shaul Bakhash accuses Iran of funding Shiite terror groups in North Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan.
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The situation in Iran differs because the regime has an official outspoken anti-Western ideological agenda, in support of Islamic revolutions. While Syria treads a carefully covert line, Iran is openly associated with the Lebanese Hizballah and provides ideological, financial and logistical support. Iran's Hizballah terrorist group successfully attacked the US Embassy and Marine Amphibious Unit barracks in Beirut in 1983, resulting in hundreds killed. In more recent years, Hizballah has focused its activities on its ongoing battle with Israel.
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VacationGuy234 said:
Really, I take it they are not Zionist? Are your friends from Israel? I know there are Jewish people who do not believe in Zion, but they actually believe the state could exist under other rulers such as when the Romans ruled those lands?

I stand corrected if the Jewish people do not believe Israel was created because of the Jewish people and should be ruled by the Jewish people.

Would it be OK with your friends if say the President of Iran, for example, ruled Israel? And, would they feel that the state of Israel exist as a Jewish State if this were the case?

I'm very interested in this.
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:hmm:
 
VacationGuy234 said:
When the U.S. changes a regime, like it did in Iran and Iraq, the entire power structure is uprooted and the government dissolved. If the president of Iran means (and I think he does) a regime change in that sense you are correct.

Do you actually believe the president of Iran, who supports factions whose constitutions explicitly deny and sometimes call for the destruction of Israel, only wants, "policy" changes?

You are correct, he never said to wipe out Israel because he only wants it removed and by that removal he means gone.

Sometimes what is actually said is really implied. It's like being in NY, "It is what it is".
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And that generally causes more harm than good, because it is based on an incorrect ethnocentric belief that democracy is what the world wants and needs.
 
jillio said:
And that generally causes more harm than good, because it is based on an incorrect ethnocentric belief that democracy is what the world wants and needs.
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If you (a full supporter of Occupy Wall Street) have a better solution than democracy, I'm stand ready to hear it?
 
Jiro said:
do you know what our "Fast and Furious" operation is? We supplied our military-grade weapons to Mexican drug cartels and then we blamed our gun stores and gun laws as scapegoats for bloodbaths in Mexico.
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And lied to the American public that everything was being done that was possible to stem the flow of illegal narcotics into America. But that is another story.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
If you (a full supporter of Occupy Wall Street) have a better solution than democracy, I'm stand ready to hear it?
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Decomcracy is not the solution for all cultures. Do you ever think about the people living in these countries, or is it just your goal to spread your ethnocentric beliefs world wide? Democracy, as written, isn't even praticed in this country.
 
jillio said:
Go back and read Jiro's posts. I know a couple of Jews that are in agreement with him. No need to be redundant.
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I'm not being redundant, I'd like to hear their reasoning from any of those sources.
 
jillio said:
Decomcracy is not the solution for all cultures. Do you ever think about the people living in these countries, or is it just your goal to spread your ethnocentric beliefs world wide? Democracy, as written, isn't even praticed in this country.
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Always at gunpoint. :giggle:
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I'm not being redundant, I'd like to hear their reasoning from any of those sources.
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I was not referring to you being redundant. I was stating that it is redundant to repeat what has already been said in this thread. All you have to do is go back and read Jiro's posts. But, since you aren't giving any consideration to what has already been said, it is unlikely that you would pay any greater attention the second time around.
 
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