Iran will do military exercise on how to close Strait of Hormuz

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DeafCaroline said:
until there is actual proof, it's all speculation and rumours.
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Unfortuately there is no resemblance between what is going on with Iraq and Iran. There is undeniable proof that Iran has WMD and undeniable proof of what it intends to do to Isreal. It has a mission, and thats to wipe her off the face of the map. See, Iranian leaders are religious fanatics-there president thinkks of himself as a prophit because of some fall down the well story I forget. He thinks it is time for Isreal to go, because thats is the gateway for his religion to sweep accross the globe. His reward will be 12 virgins or whatever it is they get in their heaven. The only thing that is in his way is-Isreal. Only thing stopping him is-the US.

China and Russia don't really understand the ramnifications for siding with the beast because all they care about is their own interests-if we should fail or fall, they will understand all too late that there world and self interest will fail as well.

The problem with Iran is it is the central focul point for all the superpowers-China, US, and Russia. China and Russia want the US and her allies out of their territory and they want to stop us from influencing their part of the world. Indirectly they are using Iran to accomplish this.

China and Russia are supplying Iran with the technology and the firepower they have today. Using the-US is picking on little Iran as a cover up no one is really seeing what is actually happening behind the scenes. Otherwise-Iran would be just another country that hates Isreal with no real significant threat.

The real issue is China and Russia-not Iran in my opinion. Even North Korea is insignificant by itself until you add China in the mix. I'm not saying the rest of the world should be scared of China or Russia, but, through their irresponsible actions, the world can easily become plunged in a full scale WWIII and it will be unlike anything this world has ever been through and the human race may not survive.

Im certainly no fortune teller but it's not that hard to see whats going on behind the scenes if one takes the time to do so. The problem is, most of the world is either to busy, or can't be bothered with whats just in front of them.
 
DeafCaroline said:
forget the stupid farms, you know what i meant yet you continue to be an a...and talk about how farms can't bomb cities - i never said that yet you twisted it that way. unreal.

and by the way, USA has launched far more wars than Iran ever has in the past century and they have very high stockpiles of nuclear weapons, far far far more than Iran does.

just an FYI.


Iran’s Nuclear Threat—Real or Not? : The New Yorker

In Praise of the Balance of Power in the Middle East « IRAN, a New Pearl Harbour

Oil: Iran's Hormuz Strait Threats Could Wreak Global Economic Havoc - Forbes

"Although sanctions and diplomatic pressure appear to be Washington’s preferred course of action, Israelis have been sending mixed signals, unnerving their Iranian enemies."

Threat of military strikes on Iran begins era of struggle, fear | News | National Post
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Well, its true we have more nukes. How many nukes do you think will take out Isreal?
Let me ask you this-if Iran nuked Isreal and killed 10 million people-how would you feel? If a country could have stopped the massacre of 10 million by killing 100,000 to prevent it would that be an option? To me the needs of the many outway the needs of the few. I say that most civilized countries have learned from WWI and WWII and are really into prevention.
Iran has said on many occasions that it will not rest until Isreal is wiped off the face of the world. We didnt say it, Isreal never said it will rest until Iran is wiped off the face of the earth. I would like to think we all learned from the holocaust
-obviously you havent. Seems like your the kind of person who would let someone threaten to kill your family and do nothing about it because you have no proof other than what the killer said? Not me-someone threatens my family I'm gonna do something bad, very bad.

So your just another one of those people who will complain about the way somebody else is doing things and yet offer nothing to help resolve it?

FACT
Iran wants Isreal wiped off the face of the earth.

What are you going to do about it? Remember-they don't like women, you can't invite them for a drink cause they dont drink booze. Peace talks have been in the works since the beginning of time (On and off again). We are getting closer and closer to the abyss now that they have aquired the knowledge to build WMD and have started to build an arsenal. Tell us here in the US what DeafCaroline would do to solve this problem please-we really want to know. Remember-the clock is ticking my friend and millions of lives are at stake.
 
cdaigle430 said:
Unfortuately there is no resemblance between what is going on with Iraq and Iran. There is undeniable proof that Iran has WMD and undeniable proof of what it intends to do to Isreal. It has a mission, and thats to wipe her off the face of the map. See, Iranian leaders are religious fanatics-there president thinkks of himself as a prophit because of some fall down the well story I forget. He thinks it is time for Isreal to go, because thats is the gateway for his religion to sweep accross the globe. His reward will be 12 virgins or whatever it is they get in their heaven. The only thing that is in his way is-Isreal. Only thing stopping him is-the US.

China and Russia don't really understand the ramnifications for siding with the beast because all they care about is their own interests-if we should fail or fall, they will understand all too late that there world and self interest will fail as well.

The problem with Iran is it is the central focul point for all the superpowers-China, US, and Russia. China and Russia want the US and her allies out of their territory and they want to stop us from influencing their part of the world. Indirectly they are using Iran to accomplish this.

China and Russia are supplying Iran with the technology and the firepower they have today. Using the-US is picking on little Iran as a cover up no one is really seeing what is actually happening behind the scenes. Otherwise-Iran would be just another country that hates Isreal with no real significant threat.

The real issue is China and Russia-not Iran in my opinion. Even North Korea is insignificant by itself until you add China in the mix. I'm not saying the rest of the world should be scared of China or Russia, but, through their irresponsible actions, the world can easily become plunged in a full scale WWIII and it will be unlike anything this world has ever been through and the human race may not survive.

Im certainly no fortune teller but it's not that hard to see whats going on behind the scenes if one takes the time to do so. The problem is, most of the world is either to busy, or can't be bothered with whats just in front of them.
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This article, from a British source, gives an interesting perspective into the politics you mentioned:

Is war with Iran inevitable? | Comment is free | The Guardian
 
cdaigle430 said:
Well, its true we have more nukes. How many nukes do you think will take out Isreal?
Let me ask you this-if Iran nuked Isreal and killed 10 million people-how would you feel? If a country could have stopped the massacre of 10 million by killing 100,000 to prevent it would that be an option? To me the needs of the many outway the needs of the few. I say that most civilized countries have learned from WWI and WWII and are really into prevention.
Iran has said on many occasions that it will not rest until Isreal is wiped off the face of the world. We didnt say it, Isreal never said it will rest until Iran is wiped off the face of the earth. I would like to think we all learned from the holocaust
-obviously you havent. Seems like your the kind of person who would let someone threaten to kill your family and do nothing about it because you have no proof other than what the killer said? Not me-someone threatens my family I'm gonna do something bad, very bad.

So your just another one of those people who will complain about the way somebody else is doing things and yet offer nothing to help resolve it?

FACT
Iran wants Isreal wiped off the face of the earth.

What are you going to do about it? Remember-they don't like women, you can't invite them for a drink cause they dont drink booze. Peace talks have been in the works since the beginning of time (On and off again). We are getting closer and closer to the abyss now that they have aquired the knowledge to build WMD and have started to build an arsenal. Tell us here in the US what DeafCaroline would do to solve this problem please-we really want to know. Remember-the clock is ticking my friend and millions of lives are at stake.
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Part of my childhood was spent in the mideast - I lived in Tunisia and throughout my childhood spent holidays in North Africa and in Jordan and Iraq.

I am very well versed on Muslim/Arabic culture and let me tell you, your claims they don't like women and that you can't invite them out for drinks...um...that's how little you know about their culture.

Do not confuse an autocratic leader as representative of his people. Khomeini no more represents your average Iranian than Saddam represented your average Iraqi. If they did, they would have been voted into politics, not force their way into it.

You seemed to have forgotten that US paid Iraq to fight against Iran. I'd hardly call that attempts at peace talks for decades. And Iran never retaliated against the US for this.
 
The President of Iran never said he wanted Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth anyway.
 
Beowulf said:
All this saber rattling against Iran really blows my mind.
I guess the propaganda is damned good, I grudgingly admit.
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And the saber-rattling has been going on for years. Supposedly, Iran is "two years" away from a ballistic nuclear weapon, but they've been saying that since at least 2002. These are the longest "two years" I've ever heard of!

We were falsely led into Iraq by false claims that Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction." No such weapons have ever been found in all the years of occupying that country!

I demand better evidence for Iran!
 
Not going worry about this situation because USA will take care of it.
 
kokonut said:
Iran does not recognize Israel's right to exist.
Iran, Syria say Obama speech on Middle East shows US

:dunno:
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doesnt mean they want to wipe it off the map. Their argument is that if Europe is responsible for killing 6 million Jews, they should have offered as compensation, land for the Jews on their own continent rather than displacing the Palestines and making them pay for Europe's crimes. And that Europe was racist for ousting the Jews from their continent and that Europe and America are responsible for current instability in the Mid-East arising from the Israel/Palestine conflict.

You should try reading what Iran actually said. Not once have they ever ever said Israel should be wiped out.
 
DeafCaroline said:
doesnt mean they want to wipe it off the map. Their argument is that if Europe is responsible for killing 6 million Jews, they should have offered as compensation, land for the Jews on their own continent rather than displacing the Palestines and making them pay for Europe's crimes. And that Europe was racist for ousting the Jews from their continent and that Europe and America are responsible for current instability in the Mid-East arising from the Israel/Palestine conflict.

You should try reading what Iran actually said. Not once have they ever ever said Israel should be wiped out.
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DeafCaroline is correct, the original offer was for Germany or even land in Florida, but that was rejected. The British wanted it to be a party government, but Truman ultimately created Israel. And, to be fair, Palestinians where paid for the land, but, obviously, not everyone got the money and, of course, religion trumped common sense.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
DeafCaroline is correct, the original offer was for Germany or even land in Florida, but that was rejected. The British wanted it to be a party government, but Truman ultimately created Israel. And, to be fair, Palestinians where paid for the land, but, obviously, not everyone got the money and, of course, religion trumped common sense.
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The founding of Israel started off on a very violent note, Palestine may have been paid for some of the land but other lands that were supposed to be alloted to them were taken by Israel:

this BBC article outlines the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict:

BBC NEWS

"The State of Israel, the first Jewish state for nearly 2,000 years, was proclaimed at 1600 on 14 May 1948 in Tel Aviv. The declaration came into effect the following day as the last British troops withdrew. Palestinians remember 15 May as "al-Nakba", or the Catastrophe.

The year had begun with Jewish and Arab armies each staging attacks on territory held by the other side. Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted to the Jewish state but also conquering substantial territories allocated for the Palestinian one.

Irgun and Lehi massacred scores of inhabitants of the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem on 9 April. Word of the massacre spread terror among Palestinians and hundreds of thousands fled to Lebanon, Egypt and the area now known as the West Bank."
 
To also be fair, what Iran wants is the regime to not exist (which would mean the state would not exist), it does not mean it would be wiped out.
 
DeafCaroline said:
The founding of Israel started off on a very violent note, Palestine may have been paid for some of the land but other lands that were supposed to be alloted to them were taken by Israel:
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I never said it was without bloodshed or that people where not against it.

The fact remains:
Israel News: Truman and the birth of Israel

Israel would not exist without the U.S. support.
 
cdaigle430 said:
Well, its true we have more nukes. How many nukes do you think will take out Isreal?
Let me ask you this-if Iran nuked Isreal and killed 10 million people-how would you feel? If a country could have stopped the massacre of 10 million by killing 100,000 to prevent it would that be an option? To me the needs of the many outway the needs of the few. I say that most civilized countries have learned from WWI and WWII and are really into prevention.
Iran has said on many occasions that it will not rest until Isreal is wiped off the face of the world. We didnt say it, Isreal never said it will rest until Iran is wiped off the face of the earth. I would like to think we all learned from the holocaust
-obviously you havent. Seems like your the kind of person who would let someone threaten to kill your family and do nothing about it because you have no proof other than what the killer said? Not me-someone threatens my family I'm gonna do something bad, very bad.

So your just another one of those people who will complain about the way somebody else is doing things and yet offer nothing to help resolve it?

FACT
Iran wants Isreal wiped off the face of the earth.

What are you going to do about it? Remember-they don't like women, you can't invite them for a drink cause they dont drink booze. Peace talks have been in the works since the beginning of time (On and off again). We are getting closer and closer to the abyss now that they have aquired the knowledge to build WMD and have started to build an arsenal. Tell us here in the US what DeafCaroline would do to solve this problem please-we really want to know. Remember-the clock is ticking my friend and millions of lives are at stake.
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FACT:
1. Muslims don't drink alcohol but they do drink tea/coffee that you can't handle. got a problem with that?
2. You can't invite Jews for a dinner because they don't eat pork.
3. Why would you think any Muslim countries would nuke Israel? Do you realize that once you nuke a country enough to wipe it off the map, it's unlivable for centuries? Plus - there would be a nuclear fallout to surrounding Muslim countries like Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia and worst of all.... Palestine.
4. You are sadly mistaken. Iran is nowhere close to WMD capability. Its nuclear facility just exploded last week.

Am I correct to assume that your solution to this problem is to nuke Iran off the map?
 
VacationGuy234 said:
To also be fair, what Iran wants is the regime to not exist (which would mean the state would not exist), it does not mean it would be wiped out.
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There's a difference between regime (governing body, system) and state (country, nation).
 
DeafCaroline said:
There's a difference between regime (governing body, system) and state (country, nation).
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Not in the case of Israel because they would not revert to the originally planned party system, if the regime dissolved a new regime under the same name would exist, otherwise, it wouldn't be Israel.

EDIT: To be clear, Arabs do have a say in Israeli government, but the regime is fully run by Jews. If new Jews took over, there would be no real regime change. Isreal is a country which both religion, name and nationality are the same. The U.S., on the other hand, is not defined by either.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Not in the case of Israel because they would not revert to the originally planned party system, if the regime dissolved a new regime under the same name would exist, otherwise, it wouldn't be Israel.
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why not call it "government"?
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Not in the case of Israel because they would not revert to the originally planned party system, if the regime dissolved a new regime under the same name would exist, otherwise, it wouldn't be Israel.
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Bush was a regime, not anymore. but USA still exists, still has the same name. A regime doesn't mean a country, it means the ruling body, the ruling system.

Saddam was also a regime, not anymore. Iraq still exists under same name.
 
Jiro said:
why not call it "government"?
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If it were up to me, I would, but then what would it be, "The Government of the Jewish State"?

Bush was not a regime he was a president(If it was called the U.S. of Bush you might have a point), we don't believe we own this land out of birth right, we know we took it, there's a difference.

IRAQ is a good point, but it's a puppet government. (EDIT: And it is not defined by a people/religion)
 
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