Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer

[Liebling:-)))]

Hmm- Maybe YOU should read it, and THINK for a while?
or better yet - ask someone who can read well written English and then translate it into ASL for you?

Fuzzy

Excuse me, I can READ but just you?... we have the same view about your post toward Cheri is not acceptance... Excuse me... You think we can't read but we do... the problem you can't follow our philosophical logic because you are the one who don't want to understand it. Of course is your lack of knowledge...

Due respect, I am not going to break AllDeaf Rule to tell you something about you and your posts...

Accord AllDeaf Rule
10.) No enticing or provoking other members to cause them to get into trouble.

Anyway, Did you know that you did broke AllDeaf Rule for provoke posters?

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Ex

cuse me, I can READ but just you?...

No I am sorry - if you did understood what I wrote, you would now that I never disrespected anybody - not Cheri, not her father.
do you know what "IF" means?
.."if" you had beard you would be a man..
.. "if" you had wings, you would fly
and so on.

Fuzzy

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Ex

No I am sorry - if you did understood what I wrote, you would now that I never disrespected anybody - not Cheri, not her father.
do you know what "IF" means?
.."if" you had beard you would be a man..
.. "if" you had wings, you would fly
and so on.

Fuzzy

Excuse me please, I am not interesting about your hypothetical posts toward the posters who share their fact experiences and feeling in real life. Where is your feeling?

 

[Audiofuzzy]

What feeling? is it wrong to ask:

do you want loving father who don't sign,
or
bad father who sign?

what's wrong about that question? it's just a question.
and what father would YOU want, Liebling? good/no sign, or bad/sign?

Fuzzy

 

[Cheri]

I don't think you understand written English well, Cheri.

I think you don't even know your own post, You need to stop taking ur writing statement out of context, and stop twisting other people's words around.

I never said you said your father was horrible. On the contrary - I pointed out "in your words, he was loving and supportive".

Look at your own post again

Audiofuzzy

Cheri said she love/d her father the way he was, then she said she would felt even closer to him if he signed to her.
I thought about it, and what Cheri wrote about her father being loving and supportive - stood out to me. isn't THAT more important than ability to sign but being an awful father?

awful father nor horrible father is the same thing. Being Loving and supportive has nothing to do the ability of not learning signs. It was decisions he made weren't always in the best interests. There are always those who will disagree with the mode of communication that parents selected, Parents make decisions every day for their children, between 'right' one, or the 'better' one.

If I wish my father continuing using signs I have that right to feel this way, It has nothing to do with him being a loving and supportive father.

Shel said the same thing about "strong bond relationship" I supposed you don't even understand those terms.

 

[Cheri]

What feeling? is it wrong to ask:

do you want loving father who don't sign,
or
bad father who sign?

what's wrong about that question? it's just a question.
and what father would YOU want, Liebling? good/no sign, or bad/sign?

Fuzzy

We don't have the time to play your high school games, sometimes I think you really are very immature for your own age. You're what? 45 years of age and acting this way?

 

[Cheri]

Hmm- Maybe YOU should read it, and THINK for a while?
or better yet - ask someone who can read well written English and then translate it into ASL for you?

Fuzzy

That's strike two!! Mockery someone's English written skills is breaking the rules of AD.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That's strike two!! Mockery someone's English written skills is breaking the rules of AD.

Yes, I know.... I choose to not break my AllDeaf Rule to say something back to her... All what is I questioned her in polite way either she know about AllDeaf Rule for provote posters or not... No reply from her...

 

[Cloggy]

That's strike two!! Mockery someone's English written skills is breaking the rules of AD.

I was mocked by jillio about my english as well.... but that didn't stop anyone...
Ah well.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

We don't have the time to play your high school games, sometimes I think you really are very immature for your own age. You're what? 45 years of age and acting this way?

May I correct you something?

She is 50 years old, not 45 years old.

Yes I am not interesting to answer her hypothetical questions. We are not here to make a literary contest with her. This forum here is a DISCUSSION, not Quiz..

 

[Cloggy]

Anyone remember the topic?

Or is this "bickering and sucking up lesson 5"??

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Anyone remember the topic?

Or is this "bickering and sucking up lesson 5"??

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I was mocked by jillio about my english as well.... but that didn't stop anyone...
Ah well.

I beleive that we convinced her that you are not an American.

 

[Cloggy]

I beleive that we convinced her that you are not an American.

She knew... it's on the side every time I post.
So it would have been OK if I had been an American?

 

[Cheri]

May I correct you something?

She is 50 years old, not 45 years old.

I was guessing her age, but I was close.

Anyways back on topic of "Hearies view on CI on a kid... It's a bummer"

I don't see any evidences that the implant enhances acquisition of language, only helps them hear what does that have to do with langauge?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Anyways back on topic of "Hearies view on CI on a kid... It's a bummer"

I don't see any evidences that the implant enhances acquisition of language, only helps them hear what does that have to do with langauge?

Okay, we repeated in several CI threads many times since last month that CI itself doesn't develop the language but hear... *sigh*

 

[Cloggy]

I was guessing her age, but I was close.

Anyways back on topic of "Hearies view on CI on a kid... It's a bummer"

I don't see any evidences that the implant enhances acquisition of language, only helps them hear what does that have to do with langauge?

Back as well....
Have a look at this article...

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Sure - it's 1 child...

This one then...

Age at implantation and development of vocal and auditory preverbal skills in implanted deaf children

Tait, M.E., Nikolopoulos, T.P. and Lutman, M.E. (2007) Age at implantation and development of vocal and auditory preverbal skills in implanted deaf children. International Journal of Pediatric Otolaryngology, 71, (4), 603-610. (doi:10.1016/j.ijporl.2006.12.010)
e-Prints Soton - Age at implantation and development of vocal and auditory preverbal skills in implanted deaf children

Background
Preverbal vocal and auditory skills are essential precursors of spoken language development and they have been shown previously to predict later speech perception and production outcomes in young implanted deaf children.

Objectives
To assess the effect of age at implantation on the development of vocal and auditory preverbal skills in implanted children.

Methods
The study assessed 99 children, 33 in each of three groups (those implanted between 1 and 2 years; 2 and 3 years; and 3 and 4 years). Preverbal skills were measured in three areas: turn taking, autonomy and auditory awareness of spoken language, using the Tait video analysis method.

Results
The youngest implanted group made an exceptional progress outperforming in all measures the two other groups (p < 0.01), 6 and 12 months post-implantation, whereas there was no such difference before implantation. In the youngest group there was also significantly greater use of an auditory/oral style of communication: 85% of the group by 12 months post-implantation compared with 30% and 18% of the two older groups.

Conclusions
Vocal and auditory preverbal skills develop much more rapidly in children implanted between 1 and 2 years in comparison with older implanted children and reach a significantly higher level by 6 and 12 months post-implantation. In addition, younger implanted children are significantly more likely by 12 months post-implantation to adopt an auditory/oral mode of communication. These findings favour cochlear implantation as early as between 1 and 2 years, provided that correct diagnosis and adequate hearing-aid trial have been achieved.

 

[Cheri]

Have a look at this article...
...

Sorry, This isn't what I was looking for, It doesn't explain how language was development, with signs and speech, or with cochlear implant itself, it's not enough information.

second article, auditory/oral style of communication? eh?

 

[jag]

I was guessing her age, but I was close.

Anyways back on topic of "Hearies view on CI on a kid... It's a bummer"

I don't see any evidences that the implant enhances acquisition of language, only helps them hear what does that have to do with langauge?

Well it's much easier to learn to speak properly if one can actually hear what is spoken and oneself. The CI actually gives a deaf person a chance (I said chance) to hear themselves speak. It also gives them a chance (again I said chance, remember nothing in life is guarenteed) to hear the proper pronuciation.

I myself still can't figure out why Phoenix is pronounce feenix. Why is the oe not pronouned with a long o rather then a long e. I thought that when two vowels like that were together the first one is long and the second silent. Somewhere in my english classes in elementry school I missed the exception to that rule. (maybe it's if they come after ph?) I still don't get why but if I had heard better I might not have missed the rule.

So a CI can help the person with things like that.

I did find it amazing while talking to my daughters teacher that according to her different areas of this country have different asl 'dialects'. So there are differences in how things are signed in different areas of this country. PRobably makes for some misunderstandings just as there seem to be a number of misunderstanding in what hearing parents say and what deaf individuals seem to think they said.

have a good day. time to sleep.

 

[Cheri]

Well it's much easier to learn to speak properly if one can actually hear what is spoken and oneself. The CI actually gives a deaf person a chance (I said chance) to hear themselves speak. It also gives them a chance (again I said chance, remember nothing in life is guarenteed) to hear the proper pronuciation.

Yes, I am aware of that, but again what does this have to do with language development? I'm not talking about speech, that's a whole different subject.

Have you noticed that there are some hearings out in the world who cannot read or write but they can hear.