Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer

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neecy said:
So I guess if somebody walks up to you and says "the sky is green", or "horses can fly," you can't say they are wrong - because they're just expressing their own personal thoughts.

Interesting.....
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Fallicious argument.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
I get you Cloggy, and as for this:




I must say this is exactly what I see here with my very own eyes. I am suprised hardly anyone is honestly interested in learning anything TRUSTWORTHY about CI thanks to your generous idea of sharing Lotte with AllDeaf.
Instead, looks like people preffer to believe those who doesn't seem to posses enough education and knowledge about CI, not to mention simply education.
Misinformation about CI is rampant, and happily spread around especially by those who oppose CI.



Fuzzy
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What about learning a little about the person that CI is attached to ? It would appear to me that all many of the posters are interested in is learning about the CI, and have no concern for the holistic development of the child wearing the CI.
 
fredfam1 said:
This frustrats me ssoooo much! Do you know how many children have
been hurt or even killed because some doctor said so?! Do you remember
when the new retroviral vacine came out for babies and it was supposed
to prevent a potentially life threatining diareah that babies often get?
Do you know why it was removed from the recomended vacine list? Because it
killed BABIES! It caused their intestines to telescope inside themselves and
those that didn't die had to have portions of their colon removed! Some
will wear cholostomy bags all their lives. Because some doctor says so. Moms
read everything! Don't take one opinion and do what you feel is right. And
don't jump on someones bandwagon. Wait to see. If a salesman ever
approaches me and says, YA GOTTA DO THIS NOW or you'll miss out! I say
goodby and leave. Never do anything hastily. How many of us mommies have
done what was recomended by the experts, only to regret it later? I know I have.
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If you are a mom, you have experienced this in some form or fashion. That is, you will admit it if you are an honest mom.
 
rick48 said:
Not spreading lies about you, just facts.

I do not know what "appprach" they use but I do know that the VR does support the development of oral language for deaf people. However, just because a particular organization has a viewpoint that does not mean that the an article in their journal is neither accurate nor credible.
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I'm talking about your calling me anti-CI. That is a lie. So again, to quote you, "Stop spreading lies about me." Your other remarks are in regard to the Volta Review, not me. Can you see the difference? Its all in pragmatics, rick.

No it does not, but it does mean that it is biased. And that is exactly what I said, the Volta Review is a biased publication. And, if you don't know what approach they use, then you are not qualified to make a determination regarding their bias.
 
rick48 said:
Apparently deeper than you can because being culturally Deaf and having a CI are not mutually exclusive.
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You still don't get it. Your thinking is simply too superficial, and the fluidity in intelligence that you need to transition from one concept to another is apparently lacking.
 
Cloggy said:
"Whether you can feel it or not".... Are we dismissing the experience of USers of Ci and the parents of children with CI. You can feel it...
Funny, sad actually... You say you work with children that have CI... and you don't know if you can feel it or not... revealing !!!

And, a hole is drilled to reach the middle ear.... which is outside. BUT NOT THROUGH THE SKULL.
You still make it look like it is brain surgery... Trying to scare people with misinformation? Is that the idea??
"Get a grip!"
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I'm talking about kinesthic sense in the word "feel", cloggy. Are you denying that an impression is made in the skull? To make that depression, bone must be removed, and the skull at that point is thinner.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
You would preffer an signing azz for a father instead of loving non-signing? strange.

Fuzzy
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Are there only two choices? I think not. And how does one demonstrate their love for their child? By making that child's needs a priority.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
I don't think you understand written English well, Cheri. I never said you said your father was horrible. On the contrary - I pointed out "in your words, he was loving and supportive".








True, but I wasn't talking about that...



That's nice but I wasn't talking about that either...



True, but I wasn't talking about that...





You preffer your father to sign and I understand that, but again I wasn't talking about that.



I didn't, because I wasn't talking about that.

I asked you hypothetical question - would you rather have loving but not signing father, or unloving jerk who signs? that's all.


Fuzzy
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The bolded quote is unacceptable. Cheri understands English quite well, and is perfectly capable of engaging in a logical discussion and making herself understood.

Once again, your criticism is unfounded.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
I get you Cloggy, and as for this:




I must say this is exactly what I see here with my very own eyes. I am suprised hardly anyone is honestly interested in learning anything TRUSTWORTHY about CI thanks to your generous idea of sharing Lotte with AllDeaf.
Instead, looks like people preffer to believe those who doesn't seem to posses enough education and knowledge about CI, not to mention simply education.
Misinformation about CI is rampant, and happily spread around especially by those who oppose CI.

And misinformation is irresponsibly spread around by those who favor CI. Check out some of the other forums, fuzzy. And what credentials do you possess that immediately turns your information into something trusworthy? You do not have personal experience with CI, you do not have a medical degree, you do not have an educational degree, you do not have a psychology degree, you do not have a sociology degree, nor are you the parent of a child with CI. So where exactly does your expertise come from? You don't work with children who have CI, you are not a TOD. In short, you are only repeating the opinions of others without the necessary experience or education to filter what you are taking in. In other words, you are not offering trustworthy and reliable inforamtion. All you are offering is your opinion.
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deafskeptic said:
:topic:

Yep, it's quite probable that he's a myth. There's little evidence that he exists but I will note here that I didn't come here to discuss God. I'm not one for taking things on faith.
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Exactly, deafskeptic.

And my point was, IF Jesus cured a man of his deafness, it is just as possible that he cured him to fgve him the realization that would lead to his appreciation of his deafness, not to "cure" him. If one believes in God, then one also realized that man is incapable of interpreting the motives of God. So don't use scipture as a way to support your point, unless you are also omnipotent and capable of interpreting the motives of an omnipotoent being.
 
jillio said:
I'm talking about kinesthic sense in the word "feel", cloggy.
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No you are not. YOu are just changing the subject.
You don't know if there is a bump. And for someone that is supposed to be working with children with CI, that is very strange.
If you work with these children, you would know. You don't - reveiling!

jillio said:
Are you denying that an impression is made in the skull? To make that depression, bone must be removed, and the skull at that point is thinner.
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And how did my post make you think I am denying anything... You really know how to change the subject...
Jillio, are you denying that children with CI can hear?
 
jillio said:
Exactly, deafskeptic.

And my point was, IF Jesus cured a man of his deafness, it is just as possible that he cured him to fgve him the realization that would lead to his appreciation of his deafness, not to "cure" him. If one believes in God, then one also realized that man is incapable of interpreting the motives of God. So don't use scipture as a way to support your point, unless you are also omnipotent and capable of interpreting the motives of an omnipotoent being.
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Excellent,

Arguments like "God wants your child to be deaf" are perfectly fine, and good arguments, but as soon as "Jesus heals a deaf person" is used.... you should not use that kind of argumentation.

Guess you don't like the idea that god is perfectly fine with "healing the deaf"...

And about "incapable of interpreting the motives of God".... what kind of nonsense is that.?? It has been done over the last 2000 years - and more.
When you invent they guy, you can interpret "his" meanings any way you want.
History proves it!
 
Angel said:
It seem you don't get what Cheri is talking about, you just made it worse, talk about putting hearing people down, well you just love putting deaf people down...
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She don't want to get it or don't want to try to understand Cheri's philosophical logic post but loves to criticize deaf people...
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Now excuse me a minute here, Angel, OKAY? and before you start once again make public assumptions and unfounded opinions about me- care for a little discussion?

Just exactly when and how did I put a deaf people down??? please point it out to me.


Cheri said she love/d her father the way he was, then she said she would felt even closer to him if he signed to her.
I thought about it, and what Cheri wrote about her father being loving and supportive - stood out to me. isn't THAT more important than ability to sign but being an awful father?

I simply wondered - would Cheri be as happy if her father was UN-supportive, UN-loving but signing? a simple question.. yet nobody answered... why?

How is that putting deaf people down, pray tell? Are all deaf parents loving saints??

Fuzzy
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See yourself what you are saying here. *shake my head*... Like what I said in previous post that problem is your lack of understanding to philosophical logic, knowledge and social skills...
 
it is just as possible that he cured him to fgve him the realization that would lead to his appreciation of his deafness, not to "cure" him.
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:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Sure, jilly... :)

Fuzzy
 
See yourself what you are saying here. *shake my head*...
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Hmm- Maybe YOU should read it, and THINK for a while?
or better yet - ask someone who can read well written English and then translate it into ASL for you?

Fuzzy
 
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