Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer

[Liebling:-)))]

Not really...
Sure there are those posts as well, but the majority is not.
And don't get me wrong. I appreciate the posts when I post about Lotte. Positive and negative, but in general, most often, there is no support. Especially lately...

There is "telling what they should have done" and "telling what they should do NOW"...
But support.... not unless you agree to use sign language to your child.

Why do you thing many of the hearing parents left.... too much support?

Well, at first we thought hearing parents come to share their positive and negative experiences here with us when they introduced themselves in Introduce Yourself Section and tell us about their CI or HA children. Some parents visited CI threads and positive CI and negative HA all the time and ignore/denied our experiences and prove us wrong because the experts says so which is not right...

I thought they are open mind to accept the both sides between experts and real life situation but all they depend on books, experts, etc to prove us wrong.

 

[Cloggy]

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I thought they are open mind to accept the both sides between experts and real life situation but all they depend on books, experts, etc to prove us wrong.

Like ... "the CI is inside the skull...."
Like ... "you cannot fly with CI"
Like ... "you cannot hear with CI"
Like ... "hearing parents do not love their children"
Like ... "hearing parents have not accepted their childrens deafness"
Like ... "your child will hate you for forcing CI on her"
Like ... "your child will never learn to speak"
Like ... "it is sad that your child thinks it is not deaf"
Like ... "CI is the same as a HA"
Like ... "I can hear with my HA. I don't need CI"
Like ... "you teach your child to hate sign-language
Like ... "you don't want to learn about Deaf culture"
Like ...
etc....

perhaps you are wrong....

 

[Angel]

Lotte grows up hearing. It will be part of her identity, together with the abcense of sound when she takes the CI off..

Your daughter is NOT hearing but deaf, she can hear with the use of her implant that it ... CI is not a cure and it does NOT, again it does NOT restore normal hearing period...

 

[Cheri]

Like ... "the CI is inside the skull...."
Like ... "you cannot fly with CI"
Like ... "you cannot hear with CI"
Like ... "hearing parents do not love their children"
Like ... "hearing parents have not accepted their childrens deafness"
Like ... "your child will hate you for forcing CI on her"
Like ... "your child will never learn to speak"
Like ... "it is sad that your child thinks it is not deaf"
Like ... "CI is the same as a HA"
Like ... "I can hear with my HA. I don't need CI"
Like ... "
etc....

perhaps you are wrong....

Just because they have expressed of their own personal thoughts of what they thought of cochlear implant or hearing parents it doesn't mean they're either right or wrong. it's their own personal thoughts, just like you have your own too.

There's no right nor there's no wrong. it's an opinion of their own.

 

[Cloggy]

Your daughter is NOT hearing but deaf, she can hear with the use of her implant that it ... CI is not a cure and it does NOT, again it does NOT restore normal hearing period...

Hold your horses... where does that come from...???

My daughter is deaf, she can hear...

That's what I have said...

But sure....
Angel.-. define "hearing". Present a explanation for that word....

 

[Cloggy]

Like ... "the CI is inside the skull...."
Like ... "you cannot fly with CI"
Like ... "you cannot hear with CI"
Like ... "hearing parents do not love their children"
Like ... "hearing parents have not accepted their childrens deafness"
Like ... "your child will hate you for forcing CI on her"
Like ... "your child will never learn to speak"
Like ... "it is sad that your child thinks it is not deaf"
Like ... "CI is the same as a HA"
Like ... "I can hear with my HA. I don't need CI"

Just because they have expressed of their own personal thoughts of what they thought of cochlear implant or hearing parents it doesn't mean they're either right or wrong. it's their own personal thoughts, just like you have your own too.

There's no right nor there's no wrong. it's an opinion of their own.

Oh... and which statement that I listed was correct?
You still think the CI is inside the skull. And a hole is drilled into the skull????

 

[Cheri]

Oh... and which statement that I listed was correct?
You still think the CI is inside the skull. And a hole is drilled into the skull????

I did not say anything about CI being inside of the skull maybe a year ago or two I might have said that. I know is that a cochlear implant is an implanted electronic hearing device.

 

[Cloggy]

I did not say anything about CI being inside of the skull maybe a year ago or two I might have said that. I know is that a cochlear implant is an implanted electronic hearing device.

So we did learn... both of us.

Have you asked around, in Deaf culture how many people know that.

If the thought is that CI is inside the skull, wouldn't that make the look on CI different than when the knowledge is there that is is on the outside?

Isn't it important to get the facts straight before you make a statement...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Like ... "the CI is inside the skull...."

The surgeon drill into the skull bone behind the ear. Thats' what I know from the professor at parental conference... Is it wrong?

Like ... "you cannot fly with CI"

Nobody says that they cannot fly with CI. Of course they can. As I know from my friend at long time ago who considered CI and questioned cons/pros over CI to the Professor until she decided for HA. I suggest that it could be the model of CI improves much better than old ones.

Like ... "you cannot hear with CI"

I do not remember that we did say anything that "you cannot hear with CI". I only remember that we convinced you that CI itself doesn't work on some children but HA does. It depend on children's moviation, not CI or HA itself, that's all what we tried to convince you...

Like ... "hearing parents do not love their children"

The children/adult have their own experiences and how they feel toward their hearing parents for not accept what they are. I can't say anything to prove them wrong but respect their experience because we are not in their shoes but themselves... They know how they feel, not us. They shared their experiences with me in real life...

Like ... "hearing parents have not accepted their childrens deafness"

Some CI users feel that they are not being accepted by their hearing parents... They said this to me in real life...

Like ... "your child will hate you for forcing CI on her"

We only want hearing parents aware thru our experience collect from some CI users or CI users themselves.

Like ... "your child will never learn to speak"

Not true... We tried to convince you that CI or HA itself can't expose the child to speak (speech/language skill) but her/his own moviate to learn anything including speak, language skill, social contact etc. with the help from their parents....

Like ... "it is sad that your child thinks it is not deaf"

Unfortunlately sad fact, that some deaf people deny that they are deaf or some parents deny their children are deaf.

Example: Sound and Fury... about Shelby

Her hearing parents implanted her with CI and pulled her to their own world. They want her to speak to be like them instead of learn/expose her to deaf culture because she is deaf.

Like ... "CI is the same as a HA"

We tried to tell you that CI and HA itself cannot expose the children to speak and help to develop language skill but develop to hear the sounds. It's parent's job to help CI or HA children to develop with speech and langauge skill.

Like ... "I can hear with my HA. I don't need CI"

True, many friends of mine said the same that they are happy that they can hear anything with HA. Like what I said before that it works on them great. I am sure that they would consider CI if HA doesn't work on them. They can phone when they are on HA. Of course I suggest them to consider CI since I know that CI techology improves much better... All what they said that they don't need it because they can hear with HA. All what I do is respect them.

Like ... "you teach your child to hate sign-language

:confuse: I has no idea about this... I do not see anything that we accused the hearing parents for teach their child to hate sign-language? I only remember that we mentioned that some hearing parents pulled their deaf children to their own world and want them to be like them...

Like ... "you don't want to learn about Deaf culture"
Like ...
etc....

Some parents have lack of knowledge to moviate anything for their children who are different as them...

perhaps you are wrong....

Perhaps you interpreted our posts in the wrong way?

 

[Cloggy]

...

You realise it was a general statement....
And of course we (in general "we") misread your (in general "your") posts...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You realise it was a general statement....
And of course we (in general "we") misread your (in general "your") posts...

I use "you", "we" or "your" in general way without acussed you something or point finger to anyone.

If I mention "I" in some post is not general because I know from my experience in real life.

 

[Cloggy]

I use "you", "we" or "your" in general way without acussed you something or point finger to anyone.

If I mention "I" in some post is not general because I know from my experience in real life.

Excellent!

 

[neecy]

Just because they have expressed of their own personal thoughts of what they thought of cochlear implant or hearing parents it doesn't mean they're either right or wrong. it's their own personal thoughts, just like you have your own too.

There's no right nor there's no wrong. it's an opinion of their own.

So I guess if somebody walks up to you and says "the sky is green", or "horses can fly," you can't say they are wrong - because they're just expressing their own personal thoughts.

Interesting.....

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Yes, I would have the much a closure relationship with him if he learned signs and kept using signs, all my life I felt like I'm a second class citizen to my own family. I'm sure most of us felt the same way.

You would preffer an signing azz for a father instead of loving non-signing? strange.

Fuzzy

 

[loml]

Good Posting Cloggy!

Cloggy -

 

[Angel]

You would preffer an signing azz for a father instead of loving non-signing? strange.

Fuzzy

It seem you don't get what Cheri is talking about, you just made it worse, talk about putting hearing people down, well you just love putting deaf people down...

 

[Audiofuzzy]

It seem you don't get what Cheri is talking about, you just made it worse, talk about putting hearing people down, well you just love putting deaf people down...

Now excuse me a minute here, Angel, OKAY? and before you start once again make public assumptions and unfounded opinions about me- care for a little discussion?

Just exactly when and how did I put a deaf people down??? please point it out to me.


Cheri said she love/d her father the way he was, then she said she would felt even closer to him if he signed to her.
I thought about it, and what Cheri wrote about her father being loving and supportive - stood out to me. isn't THAT more important than ability to sign but being an awful father?

I simply wondered - would Cheri be as happy if her father was UN-supportive, UN-loving but signing? a simple question.. yet nobody answered... why?

How is that putting deaf people down, pray tell? Are all deaf parents loving saints??

Fuzzy

 

[Cheri]

Cheri said she love/d her father the way he was, then she said she would felt even closer to him if he signed to her.
I thought about it, and what Cheri wrote about her father being loving and supportive - stood out to me. isn't THAT more important than ability to sign but being an awful father?

Now don't make assumptions, I never said he was an horrible father or awful father, He just did not made the best choice of decision. that's all, no if, no but.

I simply wondered - would Cheri be as happy if her father was UN-supportive, UN-loving but signing? a simple question.. yet nobody answered... why?

Just because I did not answered yet, because I have a life excuse me for having a life. Gee.

What does happiness have to do with anything? Nobody can be happy all the time, it's impossible. Everyone gets angry, has problems, feels insecure, feels grief, sorrow and pain, but it has nothing to do with "love". My love for my father is still the same as it was in the past to the present no matter what choice he made for me. People make mistakes, People learned. If I prefer my father to sign there's nothing wrong with that. So, Don't make assumptions about my feelings forward to my father. You have no idea, none.

 

[Cheri]

It seem you don't get what Cheri is talking about,.

You're correct, She doesn't. I'm sure Shel understands it better than Fuzzy would ever will.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Now don't make assumptions, I never said he was an horrible father or awful father, He just did not made the best choice of decision. that's all, no if, no but.

I don't think you understand written English well, Cheri.
I never said you said your father was horrible. On the contrary - I pointed out "in your words, he was loving and supportive".

I simply wondered - would Cheri be as happy if her father was UN-supportive, UN-loving but signing?

What does happiness have to do with anything? Nobody can be happy all the time, it's impossible. Everyone gets angry, has problems, feels insecure, feels grief, sorrow and pain, but it has nothing to do with "love".

True, but I wasn't talking about that...

My love for my father is still the same as it was in the past to the present no matter what choice he made for me.

That's nice but I wasn't talking about that either...

People make mistakes, People learned.

True, but I wasn't talking about that...

If I prefer my father to sign there's nothing wrong with that.

You preffer your father to sign and I understand that, but again I wasn't talking about that.

So, Don't make assumptions about my feelings forward to my father. You have no idea, none.

I didn't, because I wasn't talking about that.

I asked you hypothetical question - would you rather have loving but not signing father, or unloving jerk who signs? that's all.


Fuzzy