Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer

[fredfam1]

I have been given all these excuses by those parents who havent learned sign including my own parents.

My dad's excuse was that ASL was too time consuming for him to learn but yet, he had time to be involved in bowling tournaments and leagues.

My mom's excuse was that my brother and I could understand her just fine but when in reality, I had to interpret almost everything she said to my brother.


My mom finally realizes her mistake and is now making the effort to learn. My dad...not going there.

Yes, I love both of them and respect them but I know the bond would be a lot stronger if they both had learned sign when we were children, especially for my brother.

Shel I am so glad your mom is making an effort to learn ASL. Dads, well if
guys won't even ask for directions while driving...... We can still hope that as
he sees how popular ASL is becoming he will feel more like learning. I have just discovered that the local High School has an ASL class! The class has
one HOH student and 19 hearing students! And for the last two years it has
been offered as an accepted Foreign Language! Hearing kids really like ASL.
(Especially when they realize it can be used for covert conversations, heehee)
I homeschool and we are making plans to visit their class.

Speaking of excuses, here is one I bet you haven't heard. My husbands
cousin was profoundly deaf and would never allow her son to learn ASL.
She kept him sheltered and we all wondered why. But we had a large
accepting family and the cousins learned to communicate with him in their
own ways. My husbands mom decided to help him when he moved back to
this area by taking him to ASL classes (at the age of 30!) and she was trying
to learn with him. He began to do so well. He began dressing nicely, taking
care of himself etc. Then his mother moved back into the area and had a fit!
Her Problem? She said they would take away his SSI if he learned to communicate! Joe then stopped going to school and sat back at home
with his mom. He began to use drugs and drank himself to an early grave. It was so sad. He could have done so well with proper encouragement.

 

[Maria]

Shel I am so glad your mom is making an effort to learn ASL. Dads, well if
guys won't even ask for directions while driving...... We can still hope that as
he sees how popular ASL is becoming he will feel more like learning. I have just discovered that the local High School has an ASL class! The class has
one HOH student and 19 hearing students! And for the last two years it has
been offered as an accepted Foreign Language! Hearing kids really like ASL.
(Especially when they realize it can be used for covert conversations, heehee)
I homeschool and we are making plans to visit their class.

Speaking of excuses, here is one I bet you haven't heard. My husbands
cousin was profoundly deaf and would never allow her son to learn ASL.
She kept him sheltered and we all wondered why. But we had a large
accepting family and the cousins learned to communicate with him in their
own ways. My husbands mom decided to help him when he moved back to
this area by taking him to ASL classes (at the age of 30!) and she was trying
to learn with him. He began to do so well. He began dressing nicely, taking
care of himself etc. Then his mother moved back into the area and had a fit!
Her Problem? She said they would take away his SSI if he learned to communicate! Joe then stopped going to school and sat back at home
with his mom. He began to use drugs and drank himself to an early grave. It was so sad. He could have done so well with proper encouragement.

Aw, that's sad ! I don't think it is right. Joe needs encouragement from his own mother. I wonder did his mother use Joe's SSI when he sat back at home with her ?

 

[jillio]

Whoop dee do!

My daughter is still in college fool.

As is my son, Mr. T. And he lives independently while he is in college, not under my roof. As well, he holds down a job. So, what about your daughter? Is she both in college, and living independently? You didn't answer the origninal question, only attempted to divert it. Nor did you answer the question posed in post #727. Are you just choosing the ones that are easy?

 

[jillio]

Well said!




He only hears what he wants to hear.




Sometimes I see the CI as the easy way out for the hearing parents.
Jillio, thanks for your suggestion that I get "When the Mind Hears" by Harlan Lane. I only read about 35 pages now and it is already quite clear that pro-oralism is there right from the beginning of the deaf education and probably long time before then. It is sickly to read that Abbe Sicard infantilized Massieu's petition when he had it published (just so it fitted his view of the deaf population). Laurent Clerc's education seems to be similiar to mine so there is nothing new under the sun. I have the same problem that Laurent Clerc had in the past. (off topic - I have a strange feeling when seeing the picture of the painting on page 70 of Jacob Rodrigues Pereire and Marie Marois. How often do I get to see an 18th century painting of a deaf person?)




Yeah! :roll:, too.

You are very welcome. I thought that you would find it interesting.

 

[jillio]

Bite me.

 

[jillio]

That however, according to the Bible is true.
Indeed, why cure deafness if it's such "a gift"? hmm?


Fuzzy

And what about those that don't follow the Christian religion. What answer do you have then? Don't rely on myth, rely on fact.

 

[jillio]

My hearin' daughter is teachin' her one year old daughter ( hearin' ) to learn ASL. I am very proud of my daughter for thinkin' of her deaf parents. I can't wait to see my granddaughter for Thanksgivin' next month, so I can sign in ASL with her. I can imagine it is goin' to be soo cute to see her tiny hands in signin'. Lol ! She is goin' to be soo beautiful in that.

I am teaching my great neices and nephews to sign,too. The youngest is jsut a year old. They love it....and guess what? They're all hearing!

 

[jillio]

Shel I am so glad your mom is making an effort to learn ASL. Dads, well if
guys won't even ask for directions while driving...... We can still hope that as
he sees how popular ASL is becoming he will feel more like learning. I have just discovered that the local High School has an ASL class! The class has
one HOH student and 19 hearing students! And for the last two years it has
been offered as an accepted Foreign Language! Hearing kids really like ASL.
(Especially when they realize it can be used for covert conversations, heehee)
I homeschool and we are making plans to visit their class.

Speaking of excuses, here is one I bet you haven't heard. My husbands
cousin was profoundly deaf and would never allow her son to learn ASL.
She kept him sheltered and we all wondered why. But we had a large
accepting family and the cousins learned to communicate with him in their
own ways. My husbands mom decided to help him when he moved back to
this area by taking him to ASL classes (at the age of 30!) and she was trying
to learn with him. He began to do so well. He began dressing nicely, taking
care of himself etc. Then his mother moved back into the area and had a fit!
Her Problem? She said they would take away his SSI if he learned to communicate! Joe then stopped going to school and sat back at home
with his mom. He began to use drugs and drank himself to an early grave. It was so sad. He could have done so well with proper encouragement.

Wow! I am so sorry to hear that story. For those who say that being denied effective communicationa nd langauge access does not affect every single aspect of an individual's life.......try telling that to this man! He freakin died from it!

 

[Maria]

Yeah, that's like leavin' a baby in a crib without givin' some attention or pick her/him up for bondin'/love/communication for a long period of time - he/she will die from it as well.

It goes with ASL - same idea. ASL is mainly important to reach out inside the " deaf " soul and heart to connect and boost its senses. Bring it out alive. That's like with a transmitter, it needs to go out and comes back. Not just speech or hear - the ASL is more powerful than CI - IMO.

 

[Maria]

I am teaching my great neices and nephews to sign,too. The youngest is jsut a year old. They love it....and guess what? They're all hearing!

That's awesome ! Keep it goooin'

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I almost did, but unfortunately Liebling had to bring that all back
Thanks, Liebling.


Fuzzy

Point your finger on me and try to blame me here... It´s 5 years old talk... *shake my head*

I am sorry that you see my post different.

You claimed that I started it to bring Cheri´s old posts... No true...

RE-READ my first post.
http://www.alldeaf.com/848918-post686.html

I did not pasted Cheri´s posts over here but YOU... I only showed how different attitude and how hypothetical you have toward Cheri HERE and THERE. That´s all...

You responsed me and tried to ask me what MOCKED is about... and think I don´t know what mock is about... I was like I wasn´t realized that you talked different and still obessed Cheri´s old posts... I only POINTED your behavior there and here.

You are still stubborn and PASTED Cheri´s posts over here... I was like wow... I didn´t say anything about Cheri´s posts but YOUR BEHAVIOR POST.....

Got it?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

For God's sake then just SHOW ME, and I will be too happy to address that for you.

Here to fresh your memory.

Mxxx Axxxxx, I thought it was you when I read your post. I rember you. my heart was breaking for you when I was watching you going thru this difficult time, not knowing if what you want is right. All those doubts, fears, all that pressure. I just wanted to say that the moment that stayed most in my memory from the movie was at some outside gathering in the park, and I remember that scene vivildy.
I just wanted to say I was extremly upset with your mother then. She was so wrong. I think you are great daughter, so patient, forgiving and loving, and you had every right to chose a decision whatever it was - it was YOUR child. YOUR CHILD.
And for what it's worth I think your chose the best options available.

See? You gave her loving support about her experience with her Deaf parents and then over her Deaf mother. What's about our bad experience with hearing parents? Where's your loving support about our experience with hearing parents? NO, but offensive and acussed us to insult hearing parents for being lazy. That's what I tried to explain you in my first post that you us over our experience with hearing parents and loving support to hearing poster over her Deaf parent... but I wasn't realized that you obessed Cheri's old posts...

You are being immature with yours "I don't buy it I don't buy" - I don't give a fit if you buy it or not - I just DON'T remember!! there was a lot of crap going on back then, I can't remmy all, OK? get it?

immature? Excuse me ... Look yourself what and how behavior you are toward posters...

as for "All" - I made a mistake it was supposed to be "MOST" but I was upset and misquoted at one point. got it?

Okay,

and no, one can't say MOST parents. One can say SOME parents. or at best "most parents I KNOW". but not MOST parents in general.

Unfortunlately yes, I would say MOST (which I mean is many/most) because I withnessed FEW parents who can sign their children. My friends' parents are also one of them, too... VERY FEW friends's parents can sign... I noticed that more and more hearing parents sign their CI or HA children at present time than our old times.

I would call myself liar if I say SOME parent... which mean is FEW.. which is not true. MOST or MANY mean is anybody, not everybody... Got it?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

parents not signing and putting their kids in oral-only programs...those kids who couldnt pick up on spoken language end up with no language access is the kids that start school not knowing anything about the world around them. How do u teach them to read and write if their language level is at 2 or 3 years old?

About ASL causing it..I was referring to the general misconception. Not the article. Sorry for not being clear.

True...

My hubby grow up oral with no sign language. He do not allowed to sign during school lesson. His parents do not sign to him but focus their time to correct his speech/train him to hear the sound to neglect his language skill... because teachers/doctors recommended his parents to do that. During school lesson, he stressed with his own eyes to read his teacher's lip to neglect his learn language skill etc.

Opposite to me, I have teachers who sign to us during school lesson...it make me feel comfortable and easier to understand signing teachers. We moviated to learn anything... I only went to speech therapy to correct my speech twice a week.

My hubby's parents are puzzled and said that my German written language is better than my hubby because I am not German...

 

[fredfam1]

Aw, that's sad ! I don't think it is right. Joe needs encouragement from his own mother. I wonder did his mother use Joe's SSI when he sat back at home with her ?

Yes, she was a sick woman. Anything Joe ever did she sabotaged. The whole
rest of our family tried to intervine but he was too devoted, too dependent
on her. When she died Joe was lost. One family member took over management of his finances, giving him an alotment every month and
he would drink and snort it up in 1 week and then lie destitute under a
bridge for the rest of the month. He could have been anything! Done
anything! And he was very bright. Soooo sad. I signed "Old Rugged Cross"
at his mothers funeral and Joe hadn't shed a tear until I did that. I
still cry when I think of it.

 

[rick48]

To quote you....stop spreading lies about me! Are you telling me that the Volta Review is not decidedly biased toward the strict oral apporach and CI?

Not spreading lies about you, just facts.

I do not know what "appprach" they use but I do know that the VR does support the development of oral language for deaf people. However, just because a particular organization has a viewpoint that does not mean that the an article in their journal is neither accurate nor credible.

 

[rick48]

But included int he CI deabate is the issue of domination of one culture over another. Or can you simply not think deep enough to grasp that?

Apparently deeper than you can because being culturally Deaf and having a CI are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I have been given all these excuses by those parents who havent learned sign including my own parents.

My dad's excuse was that ASL was too time consuming for him to learn but yet, he had time to be involved in bowling tournaments and leagues.

My mom's excuse was that my brother and I could understand her just fine but when in reality, I had to interpret almost everything she said to my brother.


My mom finally realizes her mistake and is now making the effort to learn. My dad...not going there.

Yes, I love both of them and respect them but I know the bond would be a lot stronger if they both had learned sign when we were children, especially for my brother.

Cheri's post
I agree about the bonding relationship would been a lot stronger if they learned and uses signs, I feel the same way, I totally understand how you feel. Don't get me wrong I love my dad to death, he's been there a lot for me when growing up to today, I know he tried his best and thought his decision were right, but people learn things everyday and sometimes they learned too late also. But it's not too late to help other parents with deaf children, that's what I'm here for.

Yes I agree with you both 100% about bonding relationship with hearing parents because I know how I feel over my parents and my hubby's parents. My hubby's and my bonding relationship with them is not stronger enough.

I forgave my Dad and move on... I love him and accept what he is. Of course he told me that he suggest my mom to go sign class but my mom told him that I should learn oral because doctor said so. He agreed and then regret how kind of bonding relationship we have...

My hubby love and respect his mother mostly but his bonding relationship with her is not strong enough.

I envied my friends' bonding relationship with their signing parents. Why? Because their parents are moviate to learn anything for their deaf children.

Shel90, I am glad that your mother see and start to learn ASL for you & your brother. My Dad admitted to me that he regretted that he didn't learn sign for me... after death of my one year younger sister because she is the one who can sign for me... My parents burden her and use her as an interpreter... He started to learn more and more... and patience with me...

Anyway, I thought hearing posters are open mind and listen our advice over our experience with hearing parents but I was wrong about them. All what they LISTEN doctors and professional/experts over our experiences...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

My hearin' daughter is teachin' her one year old daughter ( hearin' ) to learn ASL. I am very proud of my daughter for thinkin' of her deaf parents. I can't wait to see my granddaughter for Thanksgivin' next month, so I can sign in ASL with her. I can imagine it is goin' to be soo cute to see her tiny hands in signin'. Lol ! She is goin' to be soo beautiful in that.

wow, you must be proud of your daughter to expose your granddaughter to know who you are. awwww cute signing... I love my both son's cute signing when they were toddlers... I miss their cute signing...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Shel I am so glad your mom is making an effort to learn ASL. Dads, well if
guys won't even ask for directions while driving...... We can still hope that as
he sees how popular ASL is becoming he will feel more like learning. I have just discovered that the local High School has an ASL class! The class has
one HOH student and 19 hearing students! And for the last two years it has
been offered as an accepted Foreign Language! Hearing kids really like ASL.
(Especially when they realize it can be used for covert conversations, heehee)
I homeschool and we are making plans to visit their class.

Speaking of excuses, here is one I bet you haven't heard. My husbands
cousin was profoundly deaf and would never allow her son to learn ASL.
She kept him sheltered and we all wondered why. But we had a large
accepting family and the cousins learned to communicate with him in their
own ways. My husbands mom decided to help him when he moved back to
this area by taking him to ASL classes (at the age of 30!) and she was trying
to learn with him. He began to do so well. He began dressing nicely, taking
care of himself etc. Then his mother moved back into the area and had a fit!
Her Problem? She said they would take away his SSI if he learned to communicate! Joe then stopped going to school and sat back at home
with his mom. He began to use drugs and drank himself to an early grave. It was so sad. He could have done so well with proper encouragement.

Your sad story got me goose bump.... I am really sorry how and what cousin had through...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am teaching my great neices and nephews to sign,too. The youngest is jsut a year old. They love it....and guess what? They're all hearing!

It's really super that you teach your neices and nephews to moviate with signing...