Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer

[Buffalo]

It doesn't sit inside the skull in the way that you are thinking of it. It sits in a specially created well on the outside side of the skull. the well is made by removing a thin layer off the skull and placing it there. Then the muscle tissue is packed over it to keep it in place. However, there is still thick skull underneath the implant that separates it from the brain.

If you go to the FDA website Cochlear Implants
look at the little movie on the left hand side and play it. Then you will understand what I'm talking about.

The doctor still have to drill a hole in the skull in order to thread the wire to the cochlear which is inside the skull so, yes, the interior implant (at least, the wire piece) do go inside the skull.
A better picture...
http://www.evmsent.org/images/ear_works2.jpg

In here, it said you have to have a mastoidectomy
mastoidectomy, middle ear infection, otitis media, swimmers ear treatment, ear infection symptoms, chronic ear infection, acute ear infection, mastoiditis, mastoidectomy, tympanostomy tubes, adenoidectomy
which you practically have a hole which is covered up by the skin.

Now I understand why some kids get meningitis. It is because the doctor often drill the skull down to the dura (brain membrane) and they have to be careful not to damage the dura.
CHDR Meningitis Notice

According to thefreedictionary.com, the definition of skull is "The bony or cartilaginous framework of the head of vertebrates, made up of the bones of the braincase and face; cranium." The picture that accompany show the whole head - top of skull down to jaw. So yes, the wire does go inside the skull.

 

[R2D2]

No, a hole is not drilled right though the skull so that it gets to the other side i.e the brain. The hole is drilled through the skull so that it gets to the small bones in the ear and it is there where the electrodes are fed through. While the micro drill comes close to the brain, they have monitors to ensure that no damage is done and it rarely does.

Please spend a bit of time researching it a bit more. Go to the link I provided you and watch the movie. I respect your opinions against implants, but it would be really could if you could ensure that you are accurate in the information you provide.

They don't know how much CIs increase meningitis, if at all and they don't know for sure what sets it off or how much it's to do with pre-existing conditions unrelated to the CI.

PS I edited it as I misunderstood what you said but I think I have it now.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Excuse me please, I know what mock is about. I do not see that you MOCKED Cheri but ACCUSED Cheri for insult hearing parents and then call her liar there...

Thank you Liebling for bringing all that up . starting this controversy again, sigh..
I thought we were finally past that, but hmm, no
Remember I told you if I think you are wrong I will point that out. I do think you are wrong here, so:

Here's what CHERI POSTED

----------------------------CHERI-----------------------------------
Most hearing parents are too lazy to spare the time and day to learn sign language as another form of communication with their child. They always seem to find the easy way out as having their child to reply on speech only because of that, that's what kind of language of communication they use in the household.

(from memory) here's what Fuzzy posted:

Most deaf parents are too lazy to spare the time and day to learn speech as another form of communication with their child. They always seem to find the easy way out as having their child to reply on sign only because of that, that's what kind of language of communication they use in the household.

this is NOT even my post. - this is mocking Cheri post in response.

then Cheri went into another thread and wrote:

Fuzzy posted in another thread about how deaf parents are lazy for not giving their deaf children an option for an implant. Since when in this world that we all must be hearing?

this is not what Fuzzy POSTED - this is what Cheri posted and Fuzzy mocked.
Fuzzy doesn't even think either one is true!!

Fuzzy doesn't think MOST HEARING parents are lazy, and Fuzzy doesn't think MOST DEAF parents are lazy!!

Cheri was making it look like this was Fuzzy idea. It was not Fuzzy's idea - it was CHERI's idea to write about lazy parents.
Where in the MOCKED post am I saying about deaf parents not giving their deaf children an option for an implant, anyway?
At this point, I was upset, called Cheri liar and manipulator, yes, I regret that now, and in reply Cheri wrote something about this "being written in response to somebody else's post, and apologized. I chose to accept it. Okay then.

This is last time I explain about that, and for future accusations please see this post.

and then advise her here to let the past go.

what does Cheri past have to do with the quotes?
Cheri parents are not MOST parents - only two parents.

I only want to remind you about your posts at other CI thread to convince you about our past experience with our hearing parents for not expose both world. Don´t pretend that you has no clue what I talking about.

I do not pretend - I have no idea what are you talking about.

You denied our posts to defend hearing parents

You didn't defend hearing parents, I did.

because your parents are hearing until one hearing poster shared her bad experience with her Deaf parents for not expose her to both world.

I have no idea because I DON'T REMEMBER and have no clue what you mean !! perhaps if you reminded me about it I would reply.

You SUPPORT her and over her Deaf parents. You didn´t say anything about our bad experience over hearing parents like what you did to a hearing poster at other CI thread.

Again I have no idea , and I am not lying - please show me the posts so I can know what do you mean.

I won´t let you to belittle me and twist my post... Pretend that you has no clue what I am talking about.

I truly don't have a clue , and it's sad how just because you don't like me you don't believe me.
you should not base your jugdment on likes or dislikes.

You kept on repeat, repeat, repeat and can´t accept that we see different as you and defend hearing parents.

You and others accused MOST hearing parents of being lazy parents.
But really, how many bad hearing parents do you know personally? Even if you knew 100 bad hearing parents, you don't know every hearing parent of a deaf child in every village, every city, every country, every continent which could be other such 100.000 parents. You don't get to know all who do everything for their deaf children.

So how can you judge "MOST parents are bad" if you don't know them ALL?
How do you calculate that "most", then ?

From ALL the hearing parents of a deaf child I knew personally, MOST of them signed to their children OR at least used "homemade" gestures for communication.
And then I knew one mother - widow also - with a deaf kid whom she protected so fiercely! - shoud would kill for him - and yet she didn't signed. But she did everything for him. and would do anything for him.
I think my parents as parents of two deaf kids did their absolute best at the time.

Calling MOST parents lazy just because they didn't use sign language IS insulting.
Cheri was speaking in her post about not using sign language.

----------------------------CHERI-----------------------------------
Most hearing parents are too lazy to spare the time and day to learn sign language as another form of communication with their child. They always seem to find the easy way out as having their child to reply on speech only because of that, that's what kind of language of communication they use in the household.

I have different opinion about that.

Fuzzy

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Thank you Liebling for bringing all that up . starting this controversy again, sigh..
I thought we were finally past that, but hmm, no
Remember I told you if I think you are wrong I will point that out. I do think you are wrong here, so:

Here's what CHERI POSTED

I am not bring all this subject but show you how and what you wrote different between here and other thread toward Cheri because you often change and twist your posts in several threads.

(from memory) here's what Fuzzy posted:



this is NOT even my post. - this is mocking Cheri post in response.

No, I still do not see that you mocked Cheri but angry and offensive because your parents are hearing and tried to mirror Cheri´s post toward deaf parents. MOCKED... ? NO... but revenage....

then Cheri went into another thread and wrote:

this is not what Fuzzy POSTED - this is what Cheri posted and Fuzzy mocked.
Fuzzy doesn't even think either one is true!!

I has no clue why you brought those subjects over here since I only showed you what and how you wrote different toward Cheri here and other thread over hearing parents and then support hearing poster over her Deaf parents... This is a hypothetical!!!

Fuzzy doesn't think MOST HEARING parents are lazy, and Fuzzy doesn't think MOST DEAF parents are lazy!!

Cheri was making it look like this was Fuzzy idea. It was not Fuzzy's idea - it was CHERI's idea to write about lazy parents.

The problem is you are angry and offensive over Cheri´s post. You should convince Cheri´s post in polite way instead of angry/offensive and insult her back over deaf parents if you think Cheri´s post over hearing parents are wrong. You confused ADers with your angry/offensive posts. I would say something different in positive way when I were you.

what does Cheri past have to do with the quotes?
Cheri parents are not MOST parents - only two parents.

I do not pretend - I have no idea what are you talking about.

You have no idea what I am talking about... You don´t want to admit/remember what you did is support hearing poster over her Deaf parents last week at lock thread... You can fool anyone, not me.

You didn't defend hearing parents, I did.

No, I defend nobody but my own opinion and agree with ADers´s view in respectfully debate with agree/disagree instead bash/insult you and hearing parents to defend deaf parents. I only prove you what I know from your post what and how wrong you are because you don´t want to admit that you are wrong...

I have no idea because I DON'T REMEMBER and have no clue what you mean !! perhaps if you reminded me about it I would reply.

Again I have no idea , and I am not lying - please show me the posts so I can know what do you mean.

I truly don't have a clue , and it's sad how just because you don't like me you don't believe me.
you should not base your jugdment on likes or dislikes.

You SUPPORT hearing poster over her Deaf parents LAST WEEK at lock thread. You claimed that you don´t remember but you pasted Cheri´s posts on that SAME thread. Do you think I should buy it? You can fool anyone, not me.

You and others accused MOST hearing parents of being lazy parents.

I only remember that we talked about our experience over our hearing parents, not point our fingers to hearing posters here. Can you fresh my memory where did we pointed our fingers to accuse hearing posters for being lazy parents?

But really, how many bad hearing parents do you know personally? Even if you knew 100 bad hearing parents, you don't know every hearing parent of a deaf child in every village, every city, every country, every continent which could be other such 100.000 parents. You don't get to know all who do everything for their deaf children.

I did not say all but many who did not sign language or try to understand their deaf children. Few parents, I know can SIGN to their deaf children at my old times... Many hearing parents do SIGN to their HA and CI children at present time which is not same as my old times. I want to remind the example about your mother who don´t sign to you & your brother but want you both learn to speak for them.

So how can you judge "MOST parents are bad" if you don't know them ALL?
How do you calculate that "most", then ?

I really has no idea why you make it up or interpreted our posts in the wrong way because we never say ALL... If you claimed that we did say ALL.. Can you please to fresh our memory where have we say ALL?

From ALL the hearing parents of a deaf child I knew personally, MOST of them signed to their children OR at least used "homemade" gestures for communication.

At present time YES... because hearing parents are open mind and listen both sides. You claimed ALL? I don´t buy your story.

Calling MOST parents lazy just because they didn't use sign language IS insulting.
Cheri was speaking in her post about not using sign language.

I am surprised that you consider it as an insult when we speak out of our experiences over hearing hearing and then SUPPORT a hearing poster who speak out of her experience with Deaf parent... Interesting... What Cheri said is true because my hearing parents are one of them. You consider Cheri´s post as insult because your parents are hearing and said that hearing parents don´t have to sign to their children. I won´t let you to lead hearing parents to believe that they don´t have to sign but consider to hear and speech. This is a misleading. We tried to convince hearing posters that sign is mainly important for deaf children to develop their language skill, no matter either they have HA nor CI.

I have different opinion about that.

I have no problem for that but I have the problem to have you to insult/accused anyone and label them dirt, disguistly, etc.

 

[Cheri]

Oh my Lord, Give it up Fuzzy, You seem to be holding a grudge about what I said, I have a right to have an opinion rather you like it or not. Learn to deal with it. I did not named nobody as a hearing parents, I was speaking generally if you can't handle that, then it's best if you stay out of this thread because you're taking this too far and too personal.

See for yourself

Most hearing parents don't have any experience with deafness and know nothing about it and many in the medical field tell them to contact speech therapists, or oral programs or encourage cochlear implants to try to "fix" their child.

another reason could be that they don't see learning ASL as a need to do thing. They work too many hours to devote time to learning, or they just flat out don't want to learn.

Parents Not Learning Sign Language - Why?
I was telling the truth about laziness, so therefore I rest my case.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Cheri, thank you for provided the link here...

Wake up, Fuzzy!!!!

 

[Cheri]

Cheri, thank you for provided the link here...

You're very welcome, I'm just growing tired of some people who are blind to the world. I have nothing to lie about, the truth is out there.

 

[rick48]

Here is the link that said that the CI is inside the skull.
Cochlear Implants
"The actual cochlear implant consists of an implant package, which is secured inside the skull, and a sound and speech processor, which is worn externally (outside the body). Several components of the cochlear implant work together to receive sound, transfer it to the hearing nerve, and send it to the brain."

I don't know why you are denying that the interior part of CI is inside the skull.

Because it is not. That statement is incorrect.

Ask anyone who has a ci, you can actually feel the internal piece.

 

[Hwy99]

Because it is not. That statement is incorrect.

Ask anyone who has a ci, you can actually feel the internal piece.

Well actually it was drilled the implant on my skull. So it's actually "on" on the skull, not "in" the skull. Skull is required for this surgical produce or the implant won't stay in the right place.

 

[fredfam1]

THAT is the root of all the problems in deaf education. :roll:

The root of all educational problems in hearing and deaf communities
is lack of parental involvement. Many parents leave education up to
the government. The question is should we have public schools at all?

My opinion is that a parent needs to have absolute choice over what
happens to the baby. HOWEVER, if their desire is to provide sound
as an added sense in order to give optimal chances for success, and
success is HONESTLY what they are striving for, then in addition to
the CI, they had better teach that child sign language from birth.

I say this because sign actually stimulates some of the same brain
centers in the brain that sound does. And stimulation of those areas
as soon as possible would in theory enhance the effectiveness of
the CI AND increase the childls IQ, which would in turn enable the
child to understand more of what is required of them.

 

[deafskeptic]

It doesn't sit inside the skull in the way that you are thinking of it. It sits in a specially created well on the outside side of the skull. the well is made by removing a thin layer off the skull and placing it there. Then the muscle tissue is packed over it to keep it in place. However, there is still thick skull underneath the implant that separates it from the brain.

If you go to the FDA website Cochlear Implants
look at the little movie on the left hand side and play it. Then you will understand what I'm talking about.

Yes, what she said.

 

[jillio]

Being made by a biased anti-ci person.

To quote you....stop spreading lies about me! Are you telling me that the Volta Review is not decidedly biased toward the strict oral apporach and CI?

 

[jillio]

Oh brother, you have got to be kidding with that comment. We are talking about cochlear implants not world domination, get real! That is truly one of the more bizarre comments!

But included int he CI deabate is the issue of domination of one culture over another. Or can you simply not think deep enough to grasp that?

 

[jillio]

And it is the parents' right to make that choice, whatever it may be, for their child.

Yep, it is your choice to reject the gift of a deaf child.

 

[jillio]

Well said Cloggy. It is truly frightnin' to think that she is actually a parent and thinks like that!

And raisin' the God argument, well it was Jesus who cured the deaf man. Why? Wouldn't an all knowin' God already know that she should not view deafness from a medicalized viewpoint? You would think that of all people, God should know that deafness does not need to be cured or "fixed"

Guess God is an audist!

Oh, puleeze! Fallicious argument. And you can answer why as to what God would do or not do? My we have an overly exxagerated opinion of ourself, don't we? I guess you're a prophet now, too.

 

[jillio]

Because it is not. That statement is incorrect.

Ask anyone who has a ci, you can actually feel the internal piece.

O focurse that statement is incorrect, because it doesn't fit in with your view. Whether you can feel it or not, a depression is made inthe actual bone of the skull to receive the implant. And a hole is drilled throughthe bone to receive the electrodes that are insertedinto the cochlea. You can feel the pins in a knee relacement externally, too. It doesn't mean that they haven't been inserted into the bone. Get a grip.

 

[Cheri]

Yep, it is your choice to reject the gift of a deaf child.

Yep, he probably is one of those parents who saw a deaf child as a physical defect. :|

 

[Cheri]

That is truly one of the more bizarre comments!

Bite me.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

You SUPPORT hearing poster over her Deaf parents LAST WEEK at lock thread. You claimed that you don´t remember but you pasted Cheri´s posts on that SAME thread. Do you think I should buy it? You can fool anyone, not me.

For God's sake then just SHOW ME, and I will be too happy to address that for you. You are being immature with yours "I don't buy it I don't buy" - I don't give a fit if you buy it or not - I just DON'T remember!! there was a lot of crap going on back then, I can't remmy all, OK? get it?

as for "All" - I made a mistake it was supposed to be "MOST" but I was upset and misquoted at one point. got it?
and no, one can't say MOST parents. One can say SOME parents. or at best "most parents I KNOW". but not MOST parents in general.

Oh my Lord, Give it up Fuzzy, You seem to be holding a grudge about what I said, I have a right to have an opinion rather you like it or not. Learn to deal with it. I did not named nobody as a hearing parents, I was speaking generally if you can't handle that,

Lord no I won't give up as long as you will deny your part in it. yes I now hold a grudge for the way you treated me, trying to make me look bad after ME JUST MOCKING your post.
The way you tried me to look bad with "fuzzy said...." is the unbeatable proof.

btw NO you named it- at the beginning of your quote you wrote "MOST hearing parents are lazy..." - there is no ifs and buts about it. period.

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

And raisin' the God argument, well it was Jesus who cured the deaf man. Why? Wouldn't an all knowin' God already know that she should not view deafness from a medicalized viewpoint?

That however, according to the Bible is true.
Indeed, why cure deafness if it's such "a gift"? hmm?


Fuzzy