Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer

[Maria]

"MOST hearing parents are lazy..." - Fuzzy

And, WHAT did Cheri say ? Didn't she say her apologize, did she ? I guess, you refused to accept her apologize and yet, you still obsessed over her posts what she DID said. Gee - will you please move on and get over it ?

 

[Cheri]

and no, one can't say MOST parents. One can say SOME parents. or at best "most parents I KNOW". but not MOST parents in general.

I can say whatever I want, If I want to say "most parents in general" I have that right to say it. Drop it and move on.

Lord no I won't give up as long as you will deny your part in it. yes I now hold a grudge for the way you treated me, trying to make me look bad after ME JUST MOCKING your post.
The way you tried me to look bad with "fuzzy said...." is the unbeatable proof.

Omg, Look at yourself, You're so pathetic, I even said on another thread it was not my purpose to make you look bad. If you don't believe me that's not my problem, that's yours.

btw NO you named it- at the beginning of your quote you wrote "MOST hearing parents are lazy..." - there is no ifs and buts about it. period.

I did not named nobody as a parents, so most parents can mean anybody in general those who don't sign to their deaf children period. there's no if and there's no but. End of the discussion.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Most hearing parents don't have any experience with deafness and know nothing about it and many in the medical field tell them to contact speech therapists, or oral programs or encourage cochlear implants to try to "fix" their child.

another reason could be that they don't see learning ASL as a need to do thing. They work too many hours to devote time to learning, or they just flat out don't want to learn.

And THAT doesn't prove in the least bit that MOST hearing parents are LAZY. got it?

it just explain why SOME parents doesn't use sign langauge. Nothing's mentioned about LAZINESS. Just because some flat out does not want to learn is not neccessarily lazy - for example, it might be because the parent believe in oral communication only.

which is not good, yes, but that is separate subject. This subject is about "hearing parent laziness".

So, part of it may be ignorance

embarrasssed to use signs

...Perhaps the hearing parents think they can't learn ASL...the

see for yourself your opinion of "most hearing parents are lazy..." is NOT correct. SOME parents could be lazy, not MOST.



Fuzzy

 

[Cheri]

And, WHAT did Cheri say ? Didn't she say her apologize, did she ? I guess, you refused to accept her apologize and yet, you still obsessed over her posts what she DID said. Gee - will you please move on and get over it ?

No, I did not apology for saying what I said about hearing parents, that I don't have nothing to apology for. but I did apology for the misunderstanding of her post on another thread.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

I did not named nobody as a parents, so most parents can mean anybody in general those who don't sign to their deaf children period. there's no if and there's no but. End of the discussion.

yup. this is your own quote Cheri:

Most hearing parents are too lazy to spare the time and day to learn sign language as another form of communication with their child. They always seem to find the easy way out as having their child to reply on speech only because of that, that's what kind of language of communication they use in the household.

Most hearing parents are too lazy

Most hearing parents are too lazy

Most hearing parents are too lazy

Most hearing parents are too lazy

yes, bye.

Fuzzy

 

[Cheri]

And THAT doesn't prove in the least bit that MOST hearing parents are LAZY. got it?

Did you read the entire link, it gave so many reasons why hearing parents don't want to learn signs, and one reason was they flat out don't want to learn it does show laziness upon hearing parents.

see for yourself your opinion of "most hearing parents are lazy..." is NOT correct. SOME parents could be lazy, not MOST.

See? You're not even respecting my opinion, You said in the other thread that you respect opinions of others, It just prove me right there that you don't. I rest my case.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

And, WHAT did Cheri say ? Didn't she say her apologize, did she ? I guess, you refused to accept her apologize and yet, you still obsessed over her posts what she DID said. Gee - will you please move on and get over it ?

I almost did, but unfortunately Liebling had to bring that all back
Thanks, Liebling.


Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

See? You're not even respecting my opinion, You're a pathetic liar I ever met, You said in the other thread that you respect opinions of others, It just prove me right there that you don't. I rest my case.

No, this is DISAGREEING not disrespecting.
that's a big difference.


Fuzzy

 

[shel90]

Oh my Lord, Give it up Fuzzy, You seem to be holding a grudge about what I said, I have a right to have an opinion rather you like it or not. Learn to deal with it. I did not named nobody as a hearing parents, I was speaking generally if you can't handle that, then it's best if you stay out of this thread because you're taking this too far and too personal.

See for yourself


Parents Not Learning Sign Language - Why?
I was telling the truth about laziness, so therefore I rest my case.

The comment from that link

I, like many who have posted here, have seen more than my share of deaf children who are needlessly lacking a language. Children who come into the school system with no communication skills, no basic understanding of life around them. Many not even able to answer a simple yes/no question, or know the names of their parents or siblings. The parent's excuse for their lack of language/communication? They are varied, but the top reasons given are usually, "Oh, he/she understands us at home", " He/she can hear more than he lets on", "We really want him/her to learn to talk", "Our doctor/audiologist/SLP told us not to", "It's hard to learn sign language", "I don't have time to take any classes", the list goes on and on. Then the parents go on to lament about how their child is so far behind...and blame the deafness - or the professionals working with them, never what they themselves are or aren't doing!
codacat

This right there is why many deaf children struggle with reading and writing not because ASL causes children to have poor writing skills! Finally someone said that it is the professionals who work with them are being blamed! I know how THAT feels!

 

[Maria]

No, I did not apology for saying what I said about hearing parents, that I don't have nothing to apology for. but I did apology for the misunderstanding of her post on another thread.

That's what I mean.

 

[shel90]

You're very welcome, I'm just growing tired of some people who are blind to the world. I have nothing to lie about, the truth is out there.

I feel the same too! Many thanks for finding this and providing the link!

 

[shel90]

The root of all educational problems in hearing and deaf communities
is lack of parental involvement. Many parents leave education up to
the government. The question is should we have public schools at all?

My opinion is that a parent needs to have absolute choice over what
happens to the baby. HOWEVER, if their desire is to provide sound
as an added sense in order to give optimal chances for success, and
success is HONESTLY what they are striving for, then in addition to
the CI, they had better teach that child sign language from birth.

I say this because sign actually stimulates some of the same brain
centers in the brain that sound does. And stimulation of those areas
as soon as possible would in theory enhance the effectiveness of
the CI AND increase the childls IQ, which would in turn enable the
child to understand more of what is required of them.

I am with u 100% on that!

 

[Audiofuzzy]

This right there is why many deaf children struggle with reading and writing not because ASL causes children to have poor writing skills! Finally someone said that it is the professionals who work with them are being blamed! I know how THAT feels!

Shel but where it says it's ASL causing it?
it says the parents don't provide adequate care for their children.
It doesn't matter if the parent signs or not- mine didn't, and yet both of us have had excellent communicative skills.




Fuzzy

 

[shel90]

Shel but where it says it's ASL causing it?
it says the parents don't provide adequate care for their children.
It doesn't matter if the parent signs or not- mine didn't, and yet both of us have had excellent communicative skills.




Fuzzy

parents not signing and putting their kids in oral-only programs...those kids who couldnt pick up on spoken language end up with no language access is the kids that start school not knowing anything about the world around them. How do u teach them to read and write if their language level is at 2 or 3 years old?

About ASL causing it..I was referring to the general misconception. Not the article. Sorry for not being clear.

 

[Cheri]

From the Article:

r reason could be that they are embarrassed to use signs in public because it does tend to draw some attention

Is that all they are worried about cuz it does tend to draw attention, what's more important the other people or the deaf child? I'll say the deaf child is far more important than other people you would only see once or twice.

...

the hearing parents think they can't learn ASL..e truth is that they can.

That's right, they can!

My comment also involves the parents of deaf individuals never learning sign language. It is unbelievable to me! Growing up my best friend had a progressive hearing loss and wanted to learn sign language. Her parents wouldn't hear of it They were too embarrassed and told her she could hear "well enough" and needed to speak...and that sign language would only cause her to weaken her vocal skills.

*shaking my head in disappointment* Talk about laziness in hearing parents, that's another example. It has to be all about them (hearing parents) what about the deaf child?

Together we began sign classes on the sly. Of course, we eventually got caught and she was so severely punished that she never learned another sign. Ironically, I continued studying and became an interpreter

She got punished for learning her own language??

Today my friend is completely deaf and doesn't know one sign. As if being deaf isn't enough of a struggle and impairment, why do these parents find it so easy and necessary to "handicap" their child even more by eliminating their right to communicate as they wish?

What a shame, another point of laziness in hearing parents.

have seen several deaf families where the deaf person is the only one in the household that knows sign language

Another proof there....

There's the truth, the truth is out there and here it is. Wake up Fuzzy!

 

[shel90]

From the Article:



Is that all they are worried about cuz it does tend to draw attention, what's more important the other people or the deaf child? I'll say the deaf child is far more important than other people you would only see once or twice.

...

That's right, they can!



*shaking my head in disappointment* Talk about laziness in hearing parents, that's another example. It has to be all about them (hearing parents) what about the deaf child?




She got punished for learning her own language??



What a shame, another point of laziness in hearing parents.



Another proof there....

There's the truth, the truth is out there and here it is. Wake up Fuzzy!

I have been given all these excuses by those parents who havent learned sign including my own parents.

My dad's excuse was that ASL was too time consuming for him to learn but yet, he had time to be involved in bowling tournaments and leagues.

My mom's excuse was that my brother and I could understand her just fine but when in reality, I had to interpret almost everything she said to my brother.


My mom finally realizes her mistake and is now making the effort to learn. My dad...not going there.

Yes, I love both of them and respect them but I know the bond would be a lot stronger if they both had learned sign when we were children, especially for my brother.

 

[Cheri]

Yes, I love both of them and respect them but I know the bond would be a lot stronger if they both had learned sign when we were children, especially for my brother.

I agree about the bonding relationship would been a lot stronger if they learned and uses signs, I feel the same way, I totally understand how you feel. Don't get me wrong I love my dad to death, he's been there a lot for me when growing up to today, I know he tried his best and thought his decision were right, but people learn things everyday and sometimes they learned too late also. But it's not too late to help other parents with deaf children, that's what I'm here for.

 

[Maria]

My hearin' daughter is teachin' her one year old daughter ( hearin' ) to learn ASL. I am very proud of my daughter for thinkin' of her deaf parents. I can't wait to see my granddaughter for Thanksgivin' next month, so I can sign in ASL with her. I can imagine it is goin' to be soo cute to see her tiny hands in signin'. Lol ! She is goin' to be soo beautiful in that.

 

[Cheri]

My hearin' daughter is teachin' her one year old daughter ( hearin' ) to learn ASL. I am very proud of my daughter for thinkin' of her deaf parents. I can't wait to see my granddaughter for Thanksgivin' next month, so I can sign in ASL with her. I can imagine it is goin' to be soo cute to see her tiny hands in signin'. Lol ! She is goin' to be soo beautiful in that.

Awww I love to see little children signing that beautiful sign language, I've seen my son signed at his Christmas music concert at school and It was a very special night of my life. I even had tears running down my face that nite.

I'm so happy for you, and take pictures too, it'll be something you'll want to treasure for the rest of ur life.

 

[Maria]

Awww I love to see little children signing that beautiful sign language, I've seen my son signed at his Christmas music concert at school and It was a very special night of my life. I even had tears running down my face that nite.

I'm so happy for you, and take pictures too, it'll be something you'll want to treasure for the rest of ur life.

Yeah, and thanks ! lol I've always thought hearin' children who sign in ASL are soo beautiful. I would imagine your son is, too. Soo darn cute ! That shows L O V E for their deaf mommies and daddies. And, it brings the kids closer to their deaf parents as well.