Hate new cars

And since when did they fail a vehicle for an auto trans fluid change? BS !
 
sonocativo said:
I didnt even bother reading all that, apparently you havent heard of hollowed out cats either.
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After figure about what "hollowed out cats" means via Google, no, I already heard about gut the catalytic converter and replace with straight pipe for years, but there is legal issue - it is illegal to gut catalytic converter and replace with straight pipe under federal/state law. Please re-read my post above about legal issue, also emission inspection isn't only one way to get caught, also you can get caught by state trooper or local police officers when they see excessive smog or complaints from other drivers over health issues from smog.

Like I said, it is up to you to break a law.

For newer trucks with diesel engine, gutting catalytic converter isn't going to reverse the EPA regulation because most EPA regulation has something with engine and other parts.

Love truck? Sure, get a old truck. ;)
 
you cant see it, you cant tell the cats are hallowed out, you cant see emmissions either, so a trooper cant nail you for it, more false info...
They can get you for excessive noise, I dont even have a muffler and it passes, its quiet, it doesnt smell or burn your eyes... and it passes all legal inspections legally. Think Im BSing you? Only thing that failed was a crack windshield I had replaced.
 
sonocativo said:
you cant see it, you cant tell the cats are hallowed out, you cant see emmissions either, so a trooper cant nail you for it, more false info...
They can get you for excessive noise, I dont even have a muffler and it passes, its quiet, it doesnt smell or burn your eyes... and it passes all legal inspections legally. Think Im BSing you? Only thing that failed was a crack windshield I had replaced.
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You must heavy smokers.
 
The Highlander said:
You must heavy smokers.
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It is rare for me to find drivers with excessive smog (a lot of white or black smoking) in my state and state troopers did good job to catch any drivers with car issues.

No wonder about St. Louis metro has mandatory emission inspection, but NONE in my state, also air quality is good as well.
 
Foxrac said:
It is rare for me to find drivers with excessive smog (a lot of white or black smoking) in my state and state troopers did good job to catch any drivers with car issues.

No wonder about St. Louis metro has mandatory emission inspection, but NONE in my state, also air quality is good as well.
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None of my vehicles have ever smoked... key is properly tuned, not neglected. You got alot to learn, youll be amazed what those BOOKS dont teach you.
 
Fox, I agree with you on certain cars, it doesnt matter old/new cars... Ive been behind and next to the ones that will gag you and burn your eyes and it pisses me off they run it like that ( all they need is simple adjustments to lean down and burn more thouroghly ) Hell you could breath out of my tailpipe if it wasnt for the carbon monoxcide that all vehicles produce. I stand with you on that, but as far as emissions, the model A ford ran cleaner than any vehicles today and it was just that...a motor.
 
sonocativo said:
Thats why there are accidents that are preventable.
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I don't think safety or emission inspection help anything because many people tried to cheat on inspection or bribe to inspectors. Our state used to had safety inspection in before 1960s but discontinued in 1962, along with front plate too.

I found statistic about worst accidents - Missouri got #7 and Alabama got #26.
 
sonocativo said:
Then dont, Ive no problem and youve nothing to worry about, no go outside and get you some fresh smog.
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That's right, your problem isn't mine and it is totally up to you. :D

My father used to had Ford truck (early 1970s) with no catalytic converter and it was gift from my grandmother after death of my grandfather in 1995. I didn't have eye irritation or coughing, but there are some people are more sensitive to smog. My father traded old truck in 2000 to newer big Chevy truck but he had to sold his truck in 2002 to cover the medical bill for heart surgery. I remember about old truck had small white smog, but not really bad for older cars with no CC.
 
sonocativo said:
None of my vehicles have ever smoked... key is properly tuned, not neglected. You got alot to learn, youll be amazed what those BOOKS dont teach you.
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I learned from my family, especially my father and some friends about vehicles, but speaking about book, I just talked about legal studies that is different and has no relation to emission, except for EPA regulation on businesses.

For my experience, cars with no CC will have very small white smog, but not enough for state troopers to notice and they only pull over for excessive smog (really A LOT of black or white smoking that you can see on back).

For a lot of black or white smoking, it must be bad CC, bad engine, bad parts or any problems with car, but not without CC itself.
 
Fox, Soco is right about emission inspection. The inspector just plugged in ODB outlet for emission, it must have no code(s). If it has code, inspection fails. What he mean is that there are people out there very cleverly designed a computer to fool ECM and have it ignore the code so it won't show up on ODB and able to pass emission inspection. You won't find it, maybe lucky if you find one in black market.

I also have removed Catalytic converter when I had F-250, I have no problem with inspection, they don't care and had gave me new inspection sticker no problem. I had done without muffler and passed inspection. They said my truck sounded like 18 wheelers, not too loud really.
 
sonocativo said:
Fox, I agree with you on certain cars, it doesnt matter old/new cars... Ive been behind and next to the ones that will gag you and burn your eyes and it pisses me off they run it like that ( all they need is simple adjustments to lean down and burn more thouroghly ) Hell you could breath out of my tailpipe if it wasnt for the carbon monoxcide that all vehicles produce. I stand with you on that, but as far as emissions, the model A ford ran cleaner than any vehicles today and it was just that...a motor.
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Oh interesting, I heard about carbon monoxide is odorless and can't smell.
 
diehardbiker said:
Fox, Soco is right about emission inspection. The inspector just plugged in ODB outlet for emission, it must have no code(s). If it has code, inspection fails. What he mean is that there are people out there very cleverly designed a computer to fool ECM and have it ignore the code so it won't show up on ODB and able to pass emission inspection. You won't find it, maybe lucky if you find one in black market.

I also have removed Catalytic converter when I had F-250, I have no problem with inspection, they don't care and had gave me new inspection sticker no problem. I had done without muffler and passed inspection. They said my truck sounded like 18 wheelers, not too loud really.
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Oh ok, our state doesn't have safety and emission inspection, also air quality in Birmingham metro isn't in yellow or red to trigger federal law to adopt emission inspection for surrounding counties, but Florida used to had emission inspection and discontinued in 2000 due to improved air quality.

Also, I use one car plate on rear.

No wonder about cheating in auto inspection, so that why I think auto inspection is waste of time and money.

How much you got MPG after removed CC? Why you sold it? Any problem with muffler that lead you to removed?
 
The number is rather small, it is not major secret going on. Not everybody doing illegally.

I have no problem with state safety inspection. I don't want to get accident from somebody that got bad brakes, you know. It is something nobody can fool. Very easy to have visual inspection for bad bearing, brakes, and all mechanical shyt. As for electronics, there will always be somebody out there figure out how to fool the electronics.


Foxrac said:
Oh ok, our state doesn't have safety and emission inspection, also air quality in Birmingham metro isn't in yellow or red to trigger federal law to adopt emission inspection for surrounding counties, but Florida used to had emission inspection and discontinued in 2000 due to improved air quality.

Also, I use one car plate on rear.

No wonder about cheating in auto inspection, so that why I think auto inspection is waste of time and money.

How much you got MPG after removed CC? Why you sold it? Any problem with muffler that lead you to removed?
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diehardbiker said:
The number is rather small, it is not major secret going on. Not everybody doing illegally.

I have no problem with state safety inspection. I don't want to get accident from somebody that got bad brakes, you know. It is something nobody can fool. Very easy to have visual inspection for bad bearing, brakes, and all mechanical shyt. As for electronics, there will always be somebody out there figure out how to fool the electronics.
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Oh I see... Have you see my last question?
 
sonocativo said:
you cant see it, you cant tell the cats are hallowed out, you cant see emmissions either, so a trooper cant nail you for it, more false info...
They can get you for excessive noise, I dont even have a muffler and it passes, its quiet, it doesnt smell or burn your eyes... and it passes all legal inspections legally. Think Im BSing you? Only thing that failed was a crack windshield I had replaced.
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Hallowed cat converters are easy to detect by smell very foul raw gaseous exhaust, maybe the troopers in your area, are trained to sniff the hallowed cat converters. In Calif, they(hollowed cats) are often failing for high emission levels of HC, CO and NOx. Hallowed cats make the pre-OBDII vehicle runs better.
 
sonocativo said:
you cant see it, you cant tell the cats are hallowed out, you cant see emmissions either, so a trooper cant nail you for it, more false info...
They can get you for excessive noise, I dont even have a muffler and it passes, its quiet, it doesnt smell or burn your eyes... and it passes all legal inspections legally. Think Im BSing you? Only thing that failed was a crack windshield I had replaced.
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Your right on everything 100% but in NC they put some type of sensor in the tailpipe and it tells what is in the exhaust by percentages on a graph that's printed on the emissions inspection receipt so I don't know if that could tell if a catalytic converter has been hollowed out or not. I'll get one of my old receipts and scan to post here after while.
 
deafsmogtech said:
Hallowed cat converters are easy to detect by smell very foul raw gaseous exhaust, maybe the troopers in your area, are trained to sniff the hallowed cat converters. In Calif, they(hollowed cats) are often failing for high emission levels of HC, CO and NOx. Hallowed cats make the pre-OBDII vehicle runs better.
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That why I don't want deal with legal issue.

There are small numbers of people gutted the CC from newer cars but if majority of people did that so I bet government would going change the test method for emission inspection.
 
Foxrac said:
I learned from my family, especially my father and some friends about vehicles, but speaking about book, I just talked about legal studies that is different and has no relation to emission, except for EPA regulation on businesses.

For my experience, cars with no CC will have very small white smog, but not enough for state troopers to notice and they only pull over for excessive smog (really A LOT of black or white smoking that you can see on back).

For a lot of black or white smoking, it must be bad CC, bad engine, bad parts or any problems with car, but not without CC itself.
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Gutted or hallowed CC DOESN'T cause black or white smoking.
 
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