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Have seen, and one that verified myself personally. That was first year I own my big truck, gets 23 MPG and it was fairly new. As it gets older, MPG do drop but very small and slow.

I achieved that MPG because I had drove like as if the truck is a baby for 600 miles continuously going 55MPH on 29 gallon tank and still have some left before refueling.

Jiro said:
24 mpg? big truck? LOL!!!!!
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diehardbiker said:
Have seen, and one that verified myself personally. That was first year I own my big truck, gets 23 MPG and it was fairly new. As it gets older, MPG do drop but very small and slow.

I achieved that MPG because I had drove like as if the truck is a baby for 600 miles continuously going 55MPH on 29 gallon tank and still have some left before refueling.
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ok but can we find one right now?
 
Join me when we are going down to OBX and I can prove you. This time, with Excursion Diesel I won't be need to have it refuel each way, got enough in tank to achieve 900 miles on 44 gallon. Here to OBX is 750 miles.

Remember, there is condition, I am driving no faster than 59MPH. I have tested and confirmed. Diesel were never designed for speed, and if going speeding with diesel, the mileage suffers more than gas. To maximize MPG on Diesel is about 47MPH. I confirmed that myself.

Jiro said:
ok but can we find one right now?
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diehardbiker said:
No, PU truck is fuel efficient in many ways. The reason why EPA don't require maker show MPG on commercial and light truck is because there are too many variables and depends on what condition that would result in X MPG.

For example, I drive my Diesel truck on highway at long period of time with load kn back, no pulling anything I get about 22 MPG. I am not kidding. BUT, if driving in city all the time with empty load, will certain drop MPG to 15 in summer, 13 in winter. However, if I pull something like a RV, I might lose few MPG, but overall the MPG is decent for the amount of energy to move the mass.
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No? my post is correct and factual.

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Why don't you have ratings for large vans, pickup trucks and SUVs?
Vans, pickup trucks, and sport utility vehicles (SUVs) weighing more than 8,500 pounds gross vehicle weight are classified as heavy-duty vehicles. Fuel economy regulations do not apply to these vehicles, so they are not tested. Additional information is available at Which Vehicles Are Tested?
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Which Vehicles Are Tested
Which Vehicles Are Tested
Manufacturers do not test every new vehicle offered for sale. They are only required to test one representative vehicle—typically a preproduction prototype—for each combination of loaded vehicle weight class, transmission class, and basic engine.

Some vehicles are exempt from these requirements:

Motorcycles
Large vehicles prior to 2011: Vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)1 over 8,500 pounds, such as larger pickup trucks and SUVs
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Pickup trucks and cargo vans with GVWR over 8,500 pounds
Passenger vehicles, such as SUVs and passenger vans with GVWR of 10,000 or more
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diehardbiker said:
Join me when we are going down to OBX and I can prove you. This time, with Excursion Diesel I won't be need to have it refuel each way, got enough in tank to achieve 900 miles on 44 gallon. Here to OBX is 750 miles.
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no no. I mean a new vehicle. brand new.
 
diehardbiker said:
No, PU truck is fuel efficient in many ways. The reason why EPA don't require maker show MPG on commercial and light truck is because there are too many variables and depends on what condition that would result in X MPG.

For example, I drive my Diesel truck on highway at long period of time with load kn back, no pulling anything I get about 22 MPG. I am not kidding. BUT, if driving in city all the time with empty load, will certain drop MPG to 15 in summer, 13 in winter. However, if I pull something like a RV, I might lose few MPG, but overall the MPG is decent for the amount of energy to move the mass.
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I got it now and I know that you will explain a lot better so finally you did. :ty:
 
diehardbiker said:
Join me when we are going down to OBX and I can prove you. This time, with Excursion Diesel I won't be need to have it refuel each way, got enough in tank to achieve 900 miles on 44 gallon. Here to OBX is 750 miles.

Remember, there is condition, I am driving no faster than 59MPH. I have tested and confirmed. Diesel were never designed for speed, and if going speeding with diesel, the mileage suffers more than gas.
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That's nice and I love to visit OBX - I was born in NC. :cool2:

I think about stopping in OBX before on way to DC metro.
 
The fuel economy between 2 fuels (gas, diesel) for trucks has only a slight difference depending on the vehicles. It may be significant difference for those cars, but trucks not so much.

It's the huge difference is -- performance -- diesels are more efficient in hauling and heavy duty jobs than gas. If you're hauling a big boat, or RV trailers.. diesel engine can do the job for you. Diesel has higher torque for pulling power than gasoline and if maintained properly, can last 500k at least without breaking down.
 
Right, except there are few diesel trucks that can't make it 500K miles. What I have right now is legendary 7.3L that is known to last technically forever. Friend of mine just had his truck (1992 F-350) going over 2,230,000 miles Had engine replaced due to oil change neglection for approximately last 200K miles. OFC my friend was so pissed off, and had to fork a pretty penny over engine replacement. All done by Ford Dealer, he gets 3 years unlimited miles warranty on it. The engine was build when EPA don't have any requirements on his truck, mine has very little EPA related stuff. 6.0L was a major change due to new regulation that kicks in 2003 for Diesel Trucks, causing havoc issues with engine. Head gasket failure is common for 6.0L EVEN as low as only 30K miles.

This is why I have truck AND couple small cars, I drive my diesel truck when I need to haul shyt, and going long trip so my kids can have fun in back.

Calvin said:
It's the huge difference is -- performance -- diesels are more efficient in hauling and heavy duty jobs than gas. If you're hauling a big boat, or RV trailers.. diesel engine can do the job for you. Diesel has higher torque for pulling power than gasoline and if maintained properly, can last 500k at least without breaking down.
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Wait! Not just cows, Human too! Are they planning to regulate how much we can pass our own gases, eh? How are they gonna regulate the rest of wild animals that DOES pass gas all the time?

sonocativo said:
So, why is the government having a shit fit over Cows... you know our Beef suppliers with 4 legs, due to passing gas, they seem to be more of a pollutant than cars now... But yet, cows have been around far longer than cars....

Brainwashed yet with Methane? wait, y'all still stuck on Cats... no Pun intended.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/u...s-plans-to-to-cut-methane-emissions.html?_r=0
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diehardbiker said:
Right, except there are few diesel trucks that can't make it 500K miles. What I have right now is legendary 7.3L that is known to last technically forever. Friend of mine just had his truck (1992 F-350) going over 2,230,000 miles Had engine replaced due to oil change neglection for approximately last 200K miles. OFC my friend was so pissed off, and had to fork a pretty penny over engine replacement. All done by Ford Dealer, he gets 3 years unlimited miles warranty on it. The engine was build when EPA don't have any requirements on his truck, mine has very little EPA related stuff. 6.0L was a major change due to new regulation that kicks in 2003 for Diesel Trucks, causing havoc issues with engine. Head gasket failure is common for 6.0L EVEN as low as only 30K miles.

This is why I have truck AND couple small cars, I drive my diesel truck when I need to haul shyt, and going long trip so my kids can have fun in back.
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really sad that we can figure out how to put men in space, convert saltwater/piss/etc into drinkable water, etc.... and yet we can't even figure out our traffic jam problem and making our cars more fuel efficient?

sad..... sad...... sad.....
 
sonocativo said:
So, why is the government having a shit fit over Cows... you know our Beef suppliers with 4 legs, due to passing gas, they seem to be more of a pollutant than cars now... But yet, cows have been around far longer than cars....

Brainwashed yet with Methane? wait, y'all still stuck on Cats... no Pun intended.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/u...s-plans-to-to-cut-methane-emissions.html?_r=0
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diehardbiker said:
Wait! Not just cows, Human too! Are they planning to regulate how much we can pass our own gases, eh? How are they gonna regulate the rest of wild animals that DOES pass gas all the time?
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yes cows have been around far longer than cars.... but there are way too many cows because of humans. it's unnatural.
 
What traffic jam? Oh, that big city thingy, eh?

I really, really don't believe we can improve fuel efficiency any farther. We are already at the point where we really maxed the amount of energy we extracted from gasoline. There is no way we can hit 100% fuel efficient, perhaps we are already at upper 90%

Same concept with furnace, have you seen 100% fuel efficient? EVEN electricity, because there are energy loss during transmission, so can't hit 100% with electricity. X amount of fuel comes out of mechanically or other form of energy will never exceed its maximum available energy. There will always be a waste of energy, regardless how hard we try. Now, you said about putting men in space, it requires ENORMOUS amount of energy to get them out of Earth, don't forget that.

Same concept with money, you can't buy more if you don't have enough money.

Everything has its own limitations no matter what.


Jiro said:
really sad that we can figure out how to put men in space, convert saltwater/piss/etc into drinkable water, etc.... and yet we can't even figure out our traffic jam problem and making our cars more fuel efficient?

sad..... sad...... sad.....
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