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Even though I **think** your kidding .... that might just be the most practical solution.

However, convincing a business to stop this practice would be very difficult.
 
You know .... there has been an awful trend at gun ranges lately. Just curious if this trend has gone to other States.

Gun ranges are being used as "suicide booths". A patron will come in, rent a gun, go in the range then kill themselves.

For the law abiding gun owners discussing here, what would be your recommendation on curbing this trend?

Should a range master be present always on the range? Even if they were, this would not prevent someone bent on doing this.

What can be done to stop it?

:-o wow I haven't heard about this. Beside - isn't there always range master at range? Most ranges I go to have range master supervising us but he won't be able to stop those who would commit suicide.
 
Ok, I don't have much to say since I'm not too into this debate.

Jiro, you are more than welcome to do whatever research you like, I'm not. We can sit here all day pulling articles from the internet, but then again how valid are most internet articles?

I can admit my mistake on Dr Amy Bishop, it was the first thing I thought of because it was most recent. Thank you all for rectifying the truth. If anyone else would like to do the research and post it, be my guest. There will always be research that will support either side of an arguement and since I'm not particularly too personally interested in this topic, I won't be doing that.

In my complete and honest opinion, I do feel that some members opinions were not respect in the earlier parts of this thread. Because I'm not particularly a fan of internet arguing/fighting, I'm not going to into specifics. Obviously this is a rather debatable topic and in result will get heated.

To those who want to continue with this debate, enjoy yourself. Stay true to your opinions but also be open to seeing what the other side is like.
 
Even though I **think** your kidding .... that might just be the most practical solution.

However, convincing a business to stop this practice would be very difficult.

I am usually kidding but was serious this time......True though it would probably be hard to convince the businesses
 
You know .... there has been an awful trend at gun ranges lately. Just curious if this trend has gone to other States.

Gun ranges are being used as "suicide booths". A patron will come in, rent a gun, go in the range then kill themselves.

For the law abiding gun owners discussing here, what would be your recommendation on curbing this trend?

Should a range master be present always on the range? Even if they were, this would not prevent someone bent on doing this.

What can be done to stop it?

Not to be joking or anything, are these folks law-abiding people? Of course you can't know.....just wondering out loud here.
 
You know .... there has been an awful trend at gun ranges lately. Just curious if this trend has gone to other States.

Gun ranges are being used as "suicide booths". A patron will come in, rent a gun, go in the range then kill themselves.

For the law abiding gun owners discussing here, what would be your recommendation on curbing this trend?

Should a range master be present always on the range? Even if they were, this would not prevent someone bent on doing this.

What can be done to stop it?

Wow, wtf is all I can say. I haven't heard of this trend. Based on my personal experience at the gun range, I've always been under the assumption there was proper supervision at all ranges.

I don't really know what to say about how to curb this trend, but I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a correlation to the economic recession.
 
Ok, I don't have much to say since I'm not too into this debate.

Jiro, you are more than welcome to do whatever research you like, I'm not. We can sit here all day pulling articles from the internet, but then again how valid are most internet articles?

I can admit my mistake on Dr Amy Bishop, it was the first thing I thought of because it was most recent. Thank you all for rectifying the truth. If anyone else would like to do the research and post it, be my guest. There will always be research that will support either side of an arguement and since I'm not particularly too personally interested in this topic, I won't be doing that.

In my complete and honest opinion, I do feel that some members opinions were not respect in the earlier parts of this thread. Because I'm not particularly a fan of internet arguing/fighting, I'm not going to into specifics. Obviously this is a rather debatable topic and in result will get heated.

To those who want to continue with this debate, enjoy yourself. Stay true to your opinions but also be open to seeing what the other side is like.

I agree and thank you for your time for your input in this thread. I am a strong gun advocate and I'm pretty passionate about this issue... which I'm sure you can see that about me in this thread.

This issue has always been a hot bitter topic for decades. It will never end :lol: btw - your last sentence - well-said!
 
Ok, I don't have much to say since I'm not too into this debate.

Jiro, you are more than welcome to do whatever research you like, I'm not. We can sit here all day pulling articles from the internet, but then again how valid are most internet articles?

I can admit my mistake on Dr Amy Bishop, it was the first thing I thought of because it was most recent. Thank you all for rectifying the truth. If anyone else would like to do the research and post it, be my guest. There will always be research that will support either side of an arguement and since I'm not particularly too personally interested in this topic, I won't be doing that.

In my complete and honest opinion, I do feel that some members opinions were not respect in the earlier parts of this thread. Because I'm not particularly a fan of internet arguing/fighting, I'm not going to into specifics. Obviously this is a rather debatable topic and in result will get heated.

To those who want to continue with this debate, enjoy yourself. Stay true to your opinions but also be open to seeing what the other side is like.

Research wasn't really necessary in the case of Bishop....It has been in the news.......Alot.

No harm though
 
70 Million More Guns…38% Less Violent Crime
Data released by the FBI on Monday showed that in 2005, the nation’s total violent crime rate was 38% lower than in 1991, when violent crime hit an all-time high. Rates of the individual categories of violent crime were also much lower in 2005 than in 1991. Murder was 43% lower, rape 25% lower, robbery 48% lower, and aggravated assault 33% lower. The FBI’s report came on the heels of a Bureau of Justice Statistics crime survey that found that violent crime was lower in 2005 than anytime in the survey’s 32-year history.

Defying the anti-gunners’ claim that more guns means more crime, from 1991-2005 the number of privately owned guns increased by more than 70 million.

The news media often characterize violent crime as a primarily gun-oriented problem, but the FBI’s report showed that only one in every four violent crimes in 2005 was committed with a gun. In 2005, as in previous years, most violent crimes were robberies and aggravated assaults, most of which were committed with knives or bare hands.

Recently, anti-gun politicians and activists have intensified their rhetoric over the “lack” of bans on handguns, so-called “assault weapons”, and .50-caliber rifles; gun registration, gun owner licensing, and mandatory background checks on sales of guns between friends and family members; and limits on the frequency of gun purchases, all of which they say are necessary to reduce the nation’s murder rate. But for the last seven years, the murder rate has been steady¾in the 5.5-5.7 per 100,000 population range¾at all times lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. In 2005, for example, the murder rate was 5.6.

Naturally, anti-gunners will downplay the downward trend in violent crime since 1991, and focus on the fact that the FBI’s report showed a 1% increase in total violent crime, and a 2% increase in murder in 2005, compared to 2004. But those changes are miniscule, compared to the huge decrease in crime over the last 14 years.

The FBI’s report once again confirmed that violent crime rates are lower in states with Right-to-Carry (RTC) laws. In 2005, RTC states had, on average, 22% lower total violent crime, 30% less murder, 46% lower robbery, and 12% lower aggravated assault rates, compared to the rest of the country.

As usual, Washington, D.C., which leads the nation in anti-gun laws, led the nation in murder, with a rate six times higher than the rest of the country. Neighboring Maryland, where gun control advocates have been particularly active recently, once again had the highest robbery rate among the states, but also tied for the unenviable distinction of “first place” in murder among the states. However, despite Maryland’s high crime counts, CeaseFire Maryland, the local Brady Campaign affiliate that recently released a paper demanding an “assault weapon” ban, was unable to point to any crimes in the state involving such a gun.

The FBI’s report must have displeased New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg (R). Despite the mayor’s recent posturing on the gun issue, and his self-laudatory comments about fighting crime, the Big Apple’s murder rate was more than double that of the rest of the state. Similarly, in Philadelphia, where anti-gun politicians are calling for a statewide one-gun-a-month law, the murder rate was more than seven times higher than the rest of Pennsylvania.

Adding to the reasons why voters should “Dump Doyle” in Wisconsin’s upcoming gubernatorial election, their state had the greatest total violent crime rate increase (15.1%) between 2004-2005. Murder was up 25.2%; robbery up 11.2%; and aggravated assault up 20.2%. Wisconsin is one of only two states that prohibits Right-to-Carry entirely, but in 2005, 11 of the 12 states that had the greatest decreases in total violent crime, and 12 of the 14 states with the greatest decreases in murder were Right-to-Carry states. The seven states with the lowest total violent crime rates in 2005, and 11 of the 12 states that had the lowest murder rates, were Right-to-Carry states.

Last, but not least, is good news from Florida, the state that during the last 20 years has been most often attacked by anti-gunners, for (among other reasons) setting the Right-to-Carry and “Castle Doctrine” movements in motion. In 2005, Florida recorded a murder rate 13% lower than the rate for the rest of the country (4.96 per 100,000, vs. 5.67 for the rest of the country). For the record, Florida’s 2005 murder rate was 58% lower than it was in 1986, the last year before the state’s landmark Right-to-Carry law took effect.

so is that why Starbuck, states, and Supreme Court are warming up to pro-gun policy?
 
TXgolfer, yeah no worries. Honestly, it wasn't really a big thing in Canadian news. We had a pretty big military scandal and that's been occupying our news. CFP Trenton if anyone wants to look that up, I don't want to derail lol.

Lol, I'll never forget getting picked up at the Houston airport by my cousin. I saw a sign and it said "Drive Friendly", so I started laughing at my cousin. I'm like, why the hell would you guys need a sign like that? He told me, Grace this is the only state where you can drive around with a gun on your lap. Yeah, I shut up pretty quick lol.
 
TXgolfer, yeah no worries. Honestly, it wasn't really a big thing in Canadian news. We had a pretty big military scandal and that's been occupying our news. CFP Trenton if anyone wants to look that up, I don't want to derail lol.

Lol, I'll never forget getting picked up at the Houston airport by my cousin. I saw a sign and it said "Drive Friendly", so I started laughing at my cousin. I'm like, why the hell would you guys need a sign like that? He told me, Grace this is the only state where you can drive around with a gun on your lap. Yeah, I shut up pretty quick lol.

10 years ago or so you could drive around with a beer in your hand too.....

Those were the days
 
TXgolfer, yeah no worries. Honestly, it wasn't really a big thing in Canadian news. We had a pretty big military scandal and that's been occupying our news. CFP Trenton if anyone wants to look that up, I don't want to derail lol.

Lol, I'll never forget getting picked up at the Houston airport by my cousin. I saw a sign and it said "Drive Friendly", so I started laughing at my cousin. I'm like, why the hell would you guys need a sign like that? He told me, Grace this is the only state where you can drive around with a gun on your lap. Yeah, I shut up pretty quick lol.


Now that was funny :giggle:


There is a saying where I come from .... "An armed society is a polite society".
 
Yup. I never did like handguns, so I got darn good at knifethrowing, lol. At least I can be polite about it.
 
Don't taze me bro!

Not funny.

I don't trust cops in this country. Whenever I see them, I instinctively avoid them. I am a law abiding citizen. Never been arrested, taken to jail, etc.

There is something wrong in this country when normal people feel threatened by the police.

In the UK, where cops (Bobbies) do not carry guns, I felt 10 times safer and respected as an individual.
 
You threatening him? You get tazed.
 
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