Guns in Starbucks ??

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Steinhauer said:
Ok then, I will take your threads at face value and say you have exposed their investigation. :roll:

Now why would you do that? Are you trying to intimidate, harass, coerce or threaten me?

In public? :hmm:
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No. Just giving my opinion.. Plus I may be a little irritated by your silly giggling Bottesini is stupid post.

I never threaten. I have indeed reported you and asked them to compare IP addresses and locations.

It is nothing to do with a threat. No one is allowed multiple accounts and I think that is what you are.
 
Steinhauer said:
Ok then, I will take your threads at face value and say you have exposed their investigation. :roll:

Now why would you do that? Are you trying to intimidate, harass, coerce or threaten me?

In public? :hmm:

Please be very careful how you respond.
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And you really don't frighten an old dying woman.
 
Bottesini said:
Chase, Hermes, Inspirabull. Yes each identity does seem to have paranoid charateristics.
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I think we can all debate this topic without getting personal.
 
Steinhauer said:
I want to share my experiences here in regards to guns. I am doing so sincerely, and I am not trying to antagonize anyone. I am not posting this to make ANYONE feel inferior, stupid, foolish or anything similar, I simply am just trying to explain something that led me to believe that a law abiding citizen should have the right to carry a handgun anywhere they go.

Ok, but first, I need to explain that I was once a very liberal minded anti-gun individual. At one time, I felt that people who owned guns were stupid rednecks that wanted to feel "powerful" but were really insecure losers. That was my perception .... at one time.

However, something terrible happened to me. I do not wish to explain what this terrible thing was here on a public forum. This terrible thing that happened to me could have been prevented if I had a way to defend myself.

Since I was very anti-gun, and this terrible thing happened to me, I later realized that I had allowed this terrible thing to happen me .

That's right! I allowed it to happen, because personal safety is nobody else's responsibility - it is my responsibility. I am penultimately responsible for my own safety. I can either choose to be a victim, or choose to defend myself. Its really a choice.

You cannot always depend on the police to protect you. They are not everywhere you go. Suppose someone breaks into your home, rapes your daughter .... are you going to wait until the police arrive before you do something?

Suppose someone attacks you while walking around on a college campus, are the police going to magically appear and save the day?

Seriously, consider these things .... go to a gun range, take a class and educate yourself on firearm safety. Once you have become educated, then ....and only then, should you form an opinion on what should be legal, and what should not.

Just my 2 cents.
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Yes, there is a difference between abstract theory and personal experience.
 
Bottesini said:
No. Just giving my opinion.. Plus I may be a little irritated by your silly giggling Bottesini is stupid post.

I never threaten. I have indeed reported you and asked them to compare IP addresses and locations.

It is nothing to do with a threat. No one is allowed multiple accounts and I think that is what you are.
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Well you can rest assured that I do not have any other accounts here. But, I do think I was right in my initial assumption that you are overly paranoid.

And .... I do not appreciate your attempt at intimidating me. Please do not delete your posts - let these "investigators" read them.

From this point forward, do not respond to any of my posts, and I will not respond to yours.
 
Steinhauer said:
Well you can rest assured that I do not have any other accounts here. But, I do think I was right in my initial assumption that you are overly paranoid.

And .... I do not appreciate your attempt at intimidating me. Please do not delete your posts - let these "investigators" read them.
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I don't delete. They are welcome to read them.
 
Steinhauer said:
Is it perhaps possible for you to post statistics promulgating your personal belief on this issue?

I can post statistics showing that violent crime happens much more often in gun free zones.

You know the old saying ... "Criminals prefer unarmed victims"?
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No need for my posting statistics regarding my "personal belief" on this issue...this is my opinion, one that I feel comfortable with....BTW, didn't we discuss an issue similar to this one on another site? (Correct me if I'm wrong).
 
I don't know if the civilians are allowed to carry the guns empty or loaded, even if it is on the holster. I would be very nervous if I see them carry guns into the stores. I am just like Shel90. They can go amok and out of control without warning. I don't mind policemen, but you will never know if the policeman are going to be on the shooting spree. A police officer can be corrupt just like the civilians. Having a firearms or any other weapons are never safe and can either cause very badly hurt or killed. Sorry, I don't approve of guns at all. :(
 
Mod's Note:

OK, I have checked into the reports - it is not the same guy you thought to be.

Let's get back on topic, OK?

Thank you.
-Brian
 
AliciaM said:
Oh and I never said that it shouldn't be legal :) Just in my opinion...i would feel MUCH more safe in a room full of police officers than a room full of citizens carrying guns. Never said tho that it guns should be illegal that is the persons choice if they want it and as long as its legal I don't have much say on whether they should carry it or not...just saying personally I don't feel as safe with someone carrying a gun beside me who is a rando rather than a police officer doing the same...and p.s. even when I am standing beside a police officer with a gun beside me..i am STILL a bit intimidated and worrysome that something COULD happen... just my 2 cents ;)
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Reality is, you never really know for sure who is packing heat. The bad guys are wearing their weapons concealed in all places at all times. They aren't restricted like lawful citizens are.

Do you feel any safer by not knowing which people passing you on the street or sitting next to you in the food court are carrying weapons? :hmm:
 
Steinhauer said:
Well you can rest assured that I do not have any other accounts here. But, I do think I was right in my initial assumption that you are overly paranoid.

And .... I do not appreciate your attempt at intimidating me. Please do not delete your posts - let these "investigators" read them.

From this point forward, do not respond to any of my posts, and I will not respond to yours.
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Sometimes a period of "ignore" is a calming mode for all parties.
 
Brian said:
Mod's Note:

OK, I have checked into the reports - it is not the same guy you thought to be.

Let's get back on topic, OK?

Thank you.
-Brian
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Thank you Brian. I will let it rest.
 
Reba said:
Reality is, you never really know for sure who is packing heat. The bad guys are wearing their weapons concealed in all places at all times. They aren't restricted like lawful citizens are.

Do you feel any safer by not knowing which people passing you on the street or sitting next to you in the food court are carrying weapons? :hmm:
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This is exactly what I used to think about gun owners. I also got nervous when I saw someone in public with a gun.

I used to think .... "they are bad people".

It wasn't until I had my experience (as I previously posted) that I came to realize they were responsible citizens exercising their guaranteed freedom under the 2nd Amendment.
 
Reba said:
Sometimes a period of "ignore" is a calming mode for all parties.
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It's ok. As Brian informs me I am in error, I will just watch from the sidelines.
 
Brian said:
Mod's Note:

OK, I have checked into the reports - it is not the same guy you thought to be.

Let's get back on topic, OK?

Thank you.
-Brian
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You must be the "super secret" investigator :wave:

Ok - nothing to see here ... moving right along .... back on topic :giggle:
 
AliciaM said:
In regards to the EXACT question posted by the OP....Yes starbucks should ALLOW this as it is Law and they need to be law abiding...they can Ask to Please refrain from bringing guns on their premises but they cannot disallow it
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Actually, private businesses can, if they follow legally prescribed procedures such as precisely worded signage and its placement. However, they could face boycotts as a result.

That's why I posted that they should follow the law as it is in their state. That can mean allowing the guns, or disallowing them in a legally prescribed manner.

That's one of the things we are taught before getting the permit. If we are carrying concealed, and the business has a proper "no guns allowed" sign posted, then we can't go in.
 
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