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I feel less alone! :lol:

FWIW, I have done the same thing too. No harm no foul.

But, if I reminded you of someone else who did something to you, then you did the right thing by reporting it.

Friends?
 
I am not sure if that is true. I think a private property owner can ask that no weapons be brought on their property.

There are some shopping malls that have a no weapons policy.
Correct. As long as they post the restriction properly. (There are technical specifications about the signage.)
 
FWIW, I have done the same thing too. No harm no foul.

But, if I reminded you of someone else who did something to you, then you did the right thing by reporting it.

Friends?

Sure. My old friend hurt me because I found out he was completely different than he said.

So I am always suspicious of men who like guns and are new. And I am sorry.

Not really paranoid, but I guess you could say it is obvious I really hold a grudge.

And I do have Asperger's, and that is probably the next best thing to paranoia. :)
 
lol yes. Clarification - I'm asking for any news on "law-abiding-citizen-gone-postal"

Breaking News: UAH - Biology Professor Dr. Amy Bishop Opens Fire on Staff Meeting Killing 3 Professors - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Here you go this is fairly recent, and she's well educated. Google or reading the news would be a good way to try and come up with some kind of concrete basis before trying to be arrogant in proving your point.

As for your points about police officers going "postal" and shooting people, I think that the ratio of officers flying off the deep end pales in comparison to civilians shooting. As with everything in life there will be skewed results and are not "normal" occurrences.

There is a reason that people in Iraq or elsewhere where foreign military is stationed tend to hide. Now, I'm not saying all soldiers abuse their power, but it does happen, and it happens for many reasons. It's a historical fact. Like the above, there will always be rogues. I'm also not just saying US military troops are guilty of such, most other countries are too.

US military in torture scandal | Media | The Guardian

Yes, I have shot guns, my uncle is head of the main gun club in the city. I know how to shoot a gun, and I'm pretty dang good at it. I've received the training and I respect guns. I respect all sorts of weapons because of my extensive martial arts training. Would I feel safe around armed civilians and I could see the gun? Not a whole lot. I would probably feel worse about it if I lived in the states because our gun laws and crime/murder rates are typically lower in Canada. Toronto has a lot of shootings now, and do I like going there? Not really. I probably feel that way because we aren't exposed to guns or gun violence as much up here, especially in my city.

At the end of the day there isn't much to argue because you cannot dictate the way other people feel or their comfort levels. I'm not biased to either side of this discussion, all I know and feel is my own opinion.
 
Breaking News: UAH - Biology Professor Dr. Amy Bishop Opens Fire on Staff Meeting Killing 3 Professors - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Here you go this is fairly recent, and she's well educated. Google or reading the news would be a good way to try and come up with some kind of concrete basis before trying to be arrogant in proving your point.

As for your points about police officers going "postal" and shooting people, I think that the ratio of officers flying off the deep end pales in comparison to civilians shooting. As with everything in life there will be skewed results and are not "normal" occurrences.

There is a reason that people in Iraq or elsewhere where foreign military is stationed tend to hide. Now, I'm not saying all soldiers abuse their power, but it does happen, and it happens for many reasons. It's a historical fact. Like the above, there will always be rogues. I'm also not just saying US military troops are guilty of such, most other countries are too.

US military in torture scandal | Media | The Guardian

Yes, I have shot guns, my uncle is head of the main gun club in the city. I know how to shoot a gun, and I'm pretty dang good at it. I've received the training and I respect guns. I respect all sorts of weapons because of my extensive martial arts training. Would I feel safe around armed civilians and I could see the gun? Not a whole lot. I would probably feel worse about it if I lived in the states because our gun laws and crime/murder rates are typically lower in Canada. Toronto has a lot of shootings now, and do I like going there? Not really. I probably feel that way because we aren't exposed to guns or gun violence as much up here, especially in my city.

At the end of the day there isn't much to argue because you cannot dictate the way other people feel or their comfort levels. I'm not biased to either side of this discussion, all I know and feel is my own opinion.

You must have missed it.....she has killed before
 
Didn't know this was a private affair.
Nah, it's not private.

AD is a forum, which, by definition, is a place for open, public discussion.

Anyone conducting a private affair should be politely asked to "get a room." :giggle:
 
Sure. My old friend hurt me because I found out he was completely different than he said.

So I am always suspicious of men who like guns and are new. And I am sorry.

Not really paranoid, but I guess you could say it is obvious I really hold a grudge.

And I do have Asperger's, and that is probably the next best thing to paranoia. :)

Its perfectly ok sweetie. Please accept my hug.

You did the right thing and I would never ever tell someone NOT to protect themself.
 
Nah, it's not private.

AD is a forum, which, by definition, is a place for open, public discussion.

Anyone conducting a private affair should be politely asked to "get a room." :giggle:
:lol:
 
Do you have a proof that Dr. Amy Bishop has obtained the firearm legally? or that Amy Bishop has federal license to own a gun?

Google or reading the news would be a good way to try and come up with some kind of concrete basis before trying to be arrogant in proving your point.
Let's not get personal in here :)

As for your points about police officers going "postal" and shooting people, I think that the ratio of officers flying off the deep end pales in comparison to civilians shooting. As with everything in life there will be skewed results and are not "normal" occurrences.
so do you have a statistic or result to back your claim?

There is a reason that people in Iraq or elsewhere where foreign military is stationed tend to hide. Now, I'm not saying all soldiers abuse their power, but it does happen, and it happens for many reasons. It's a historical fact. Like the above, there will always be rogues. I'm also not just saying US military troops are guilty of such, most other countries are too.

US military in torture scandal | Media | The Guardian

Yes, I have shot guns, my uncle is head of the main gun club in the city. I know how to shoot a gun, and I'm pretty dang good at it. I've received the training and I respect guns. I respect all sorts of weapons because of my extensive martial arts training. Would I feel safe around armed civilians and I could see the gun? Not a whole lot. I would probably feel worse about it if I lived in the states because our gun laws and crime/murder rates are typically lower in Canada. Toronto has a lot of shootings now, and do I like going there? Not really. I probably feel that way because we aren't exposed to guns or gun violence as much up here, especially in my city.
right... there will always be rogue. That's why I want to have an option to pack a heat or not to protect myself from rogue. Banning/Restricting the gun is illogical since the criminals do not follow the law anyway.

At the end of the day there isn't much to argue because you cannot dictate the way other people feel or their comfort levels. I'm not biased to either side of this discussion, all I know and feel is my own opinion.
I do not dictate the way other people feel or their comfort levels. The anti-gunners do not get to dictate the way they feel about gun either. :hmm:
 
Breaking News: UAH - Biology Professor Dr. Amy Bishop Opens Fire on Staff Meeting Killing 3 Professors - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Here you go this is fairly recent, and she's well educated. Google or reading the news would be a good way to try and come up with some kind of concrete basis before trying to be arrogant in proving your point.
She may be well educated but that has nothing to do with her moral character. She also shot her brother to death, was suspected in an attempted murder by bombing, and had several run-ins with her neighbors, which involved the police. Let's face it, she's an odd egg, and not particularly "law-abiding."
 
Starbuck... born in Seattle in 1971.... and this gun research was conducted in Seattle... ironic... but glad to see that Starbuck sees what we see

Evidence says gun laws don't work
The anti-gun op-ed by Dr. Clifford M. Herman ("Bowing down to NRA is dangerous," Jan. 23) certainly fits in with the renewed push by the P-I for more gun laws. As with previous articles, this one demonizes the NRA, offers anecdotal insights and questions the meaning of the Second Amendment. What it does not do is address the essential question.

Honest legislators must ask: Which gun laws, if any, will truly reduce violence? Thanks to the Clinton administration and the Centers for Disease Control, we have a pretty good idea. A group of scientists reviewed the extensive literature on the effectiveness of gun laws and released its report in 2003. With so many gun laws enacted in the latter half of the 20th century, there were numerous examples to study, but they were unable to find convincing evidence that any gun laws have ever been effective.

Their search included Herman's 1988 Seattle-Vancouver study. Given that Herman is vociferously anti-gun, what are the chances that his study was scientifically sound and unbiased? That's right, and virtually every anti-gun study ever done was created by the same kind of people and funded by openly anti-gun foundations. Their built-in bias makes them useless for public policy debate.

Washingtonians are not stupid. We are aware that gun laws have failed miserably wherever they have been tried. Anyone who knows how to visit the FBI Web site can tell you that the most dangerous places in the United States often are the places with the strictest gun laws. Gun laws overseas have been no more successful. Asking the Legislature to give us more is a colossal waste of time and an insult to our intelligence.

The real reason for the resurgence of anti-gun rhetoric is a long-running culture war between the two sides of the gun debate. From 1994 until the 2006 elections, the once powerful gun control lobby got kicked around by the NRA. Now that they have new friends in office, they want some payback.

Knowing that gun laws don't work, what is the anti-gun lobby to do with its renewed political influence? Here in Washington, it is promoting a bill that will end private sales of guns at gun shows. But wait, the Department of Justice tells us that less than 1 percent of crime guns were purchased at gun shows, so why support such a useless law? The answer, in a word, is payback.

You see, although gun shows are not a significant source of crime guns, they are both a tool and symbol of the gun rights movement. People gather to discuss their hobby, curse the gun grabbers and enjoy spirited haggling over the price of treasured objects. They also recruit new members and raise funds for gun rights organizations. What better target for the wrath of those who despise guns and gun owners?

The concept of reducing violence by passing gun laws is a fallacy, as evidenced by several decades of failure. The only proven solution is to put criminals in prison and keep them there as long as you can. This is not a popular way to spend tax dollars, hence the opening for culture warriors to hijack the lawmaking process for their own ends.
 
If my sources are correct, Dr. Bishop had a prior history of violent behavior.

After finding a set of missing police records concerning the death of Dr. Bishop’s brother, Seth Bishop, the Norfolk County district attorney released a statement saying there had been probable cause to charge Dr. Bishop with assault with a dangerous weapon, carrying a dangerous weapon and unlawful possession of ammunition.

New Look at Killing of Amy Bishop’s Brother - NYTimes.com
 
Sounds like someone should have taken their own advice....:lol:
 
Uh .... about the police.

Ex-Atlanta officers get prison time for cover-up in deadly raid - CNN.com

they cover up their crimes.


Georgia Pastor Shot, Killed During Drug Sting - News Story - WSB Atlanta

they shoot unarmed civilians without identifying themselves .... and get away with it.

Of course, not ALL LEO's do this. But the above stories are important input in this discussion.

There was of course, a child, who was tasered to death....

just do a google search on it - lots of information out there.
 
which is why I'm asking for proof that Dr. Amy Bishop has legally obtained the firearm :hmm:

Well, she had/has quite a criminal record so I think I can safely assume that she did NOT obtain firearm(s) legally.
 
Well, she had/has quite a criminal record so I think I can safely assume that she did NOT obtain firearm(s) legally.

assuming that what you just said is true.... that would pretty much nullify the counter-argument to my post
 
You know .... there has been an awful trend at gun ranges lately. Just curious if this trend has gone to other States.

Gun ranges are being used as "suicide booths". A patron will come in, rent a gun, go in the range then kill themselves.

For the law abiding gun owners discussing here, what would be your recommendation on curbing this trend?

Should a range master be present always on the range? Even if they were, this would not prevent someone bent on doing this.

What can be done to stop it?
 
assuming that what you just said is true.... that would pretty much nullify the counter-argument to my post

Yup, pretty much, I would think.
 
You know .... there has been an awful trend at gun ranges lately. Just curious if this trend has gone to other States.

Gun ranges are being used as "suicide booths". A patron will come in, rent a gun, go in the range then kill themselves.

For the law abiding gun owners discussing here, what would be your recommendation on curbing this trend?

Should a range master be present always on the range? Even if they were, this would not prevent someone bent on doing this.

What can be done to stop it?

Stop renting guns? Just a thought
 
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