Guns in Starbucks ??

[Steinhauer]

Not funny.

I don't trust cops in this country. Whenever I see them, I instinctively avoid them. I am a law abiding citizen. Never been arrested, taken to jail, etc.

There is something wrong in this country when normal people feel threatened by the police.

In the UK, where cops (Bobbies) do not carry guns, I felt 10 times safer and respected as an individual.

I wasn't trying to be funny.

its what Andrew Meyer said when this was filmed - became overnight viral video.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE]YouTube - University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum[/ame]

"Don't tase me bro!" has been synonymous with police brutality

 

[TWA]

I wasn't trying to be funny.

its what Andrew Meyer said when this was filmed - became overnight viral video.

YouTube - University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum

"Don't tase me bro!" has been synonymous with police brutality

Well duh. Who doesn't know this? I just thought you were being sarcastic. So are you weary of police officers as well?

 

[Steinhauer]

Well duh. Who doesn't know this? I just thought you were being sarcastic. So are you weary of police officers as well?

Yes, for the majority, I am.

However, I am more weary of corrupt elected officials. They are the worst. They are scourge.

However, I know of some very fine law enforcement officers that have had to stand up against their corrupt brethren, and people in positions of authority above them.

So the good guys are still out there, just very few and far between.

 

[TWA]

Yes, for the majority, I am.

However, I am more weary of corrupt elected officials. They are the worst. They are scourge.

Of course. And police officers are their enforcers.

 

[Steinhauer]

Of course. And police officers are their enforcers.

yup. Armed tax collectors.

from a cop on a cop forum:

This comes from a cop, not a lawyer.

Yes, you are legally entitled to defend yourself against excessive force, or an unlawful arrest. However, you better be damn sure you are right, because if you are not, there will be hell to pay. It does happen, we do make mistakes, and there are some of us that should not be behind a badge.

This being said, if it were me, Id take the lumps from the cops, and sue them in civil court.


By the way, other cops don't seem to like me much sometimes when I speak like this. I cannot figure out why....

Quote:
Can you defend yourself against a LEO?
Can you? Well, let's assume the answer is this:

No you can't. You have to let them kill you. If you resist in any way, you will wind up in jail.



From that, to say "no you can't" is absurd. If you are in danger because two men are trying to harm you, fight back! The fact that they have a piece of metal on their shirts, does not give them a right to kill or beat a man without cause.

Once the battle is over, you are then alive to explain yourself in court.

You might very well have to put up as hard a fight in court as you did against the badge abusers who attacked you. BUT, as has been said numerous times in here, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

 

[Lighthouse77]

I'm glad starbuck don't force their employees to ask people to leave because they carry a gun. Their safety come first. As a convenience store cashier for several years, I was trained not to act as a hero because it would mean I could put my own life in danger.

Don't be so hard on starbuck, they are just putting their employee's safety first because they know these people are more likely to get aggravated and probably use the gun. Think about it, can you really come up to a person and say "Sir, guns are not allow in this building, please leave". If anything, point to the law about the rights to carry open arm. Personally, I think carrying an open gun is confusing because you don't know if the person is going to rob your store (or worse) or not and you can't figure out if you should alert the police or not.

 

[Jiro]

I'm glad starbuck don't force their employees to ask people to leave because they carry a gun. Their safety come first. As a convenience store cashier for several years, I was trained not to act as a hero because it would mean I could put my own life in danger.

Don't be so hard on starbuck, they are just putting their employee's safety first because they know these people are more likely to get aggravated and probably use the gun. Think about it, can you really come up to a person and say "Sir, guns are not allow in this building, please leave". If anything, point to the law about the rights to carry open arm.

I don't believe they are likely to get aggravated. I think it's a silly notion that generally, a gun carrier is prone to aggravation and violence. Once you start to get aggravated while armed, there is a very high likelihood that you can go to jail for quite a while and also be slapped with hefty fines and revocation of firearm license.

I believe most are smart enough to avoid any conflict and most are courteous & respective of other's concern. They will leave when asked.

Personally, I think carrying an open gun is confusing because you don't know if the person is going to rob your store (or worse) or not and you can't figure out if you should alert the police or not.

lol not at all. it's pretty easy. Come to Las Vegas or gun-friendly towns. You'll see.

 

[Lighthouse77]

I don't believe they are likely to get aggravated. I think it's a silly notion that generally, a gun carrier is prone to aggravation and violence. Once you start to get aggravated while armed, there is a very high likelihood that you can go to jail for quite a while and also be slapped with hefty fines and revocation of firearm license.

I believe most are smart enough to avoid any conflict and most are courteous & respective of other's concern. They will leave when asked.

actually, growing up around hunters in the rural mountains, some do get aggravated even though they never shot me, they do have a rough side in them. I speak from experience. Forest Rangers will tell you how aggravated they get when they fine them for doing something illegal. but anyway, safety come first so these employees don't know what in their mind.. .

 

[Jiro]

actually, growing up around hunters in the rural mountains, some do get aggravated even though they never shot me, they do have a rough side in them. I speak from experience. Forest Rangers will tell you how aggravated they get when they fine them for doing something illegal. but anyway, safety come first so these employees don't know what in their mind.. PLUS, one of them may be a robber and they definitely get aggravated if you ask them to leave. like I wrote, I was train not to act hero in a situation like that. It's hard to figure out who is there to drink coffee and who is there to rob them.

well we're talking about Starbucks... typically found in urbanized society. I doubt you'll encounter roughneck hunters at Starbucks getting all aggravated but I understand what you're saying.

and we all get aggravated (armed or unarmed) anyway if we're getting fined. and a robber robbing a place in gun-friendly town is truly.... a Darwin Award.

 

[Lighthouse77]

PLUS, one of them may be a robber and they definitely get aggravated if you ask them to leave. like I wrote, I was train not to act hero in a situation like that. It's hard to figure out who is there to drink coffee and who is there to rob them


edited (I see you saw me edited to add on.. LOL sorry.)

 

[Lighthouse77]

well we're talking about Starbucks... typically found in urbanized society. I doubt you'll encounter roughneck hunters at Starbucks getting all aggravated but I understand what you're saying.

and we all get aggravated (armed or unarmed) anyway if we're getting fined. and a robber robbing a place in gun-friendly town is truly.... a Darwin Award.

every town, city have their own version of Redneck. Gangster come in mind.

 

[Reba]

I'm glad starbuck don't force their employees to ask people to leave because they carry a gun. Their safety come first. As a convenience store cashier for several years, I was trained not to act as a hero because it would mean I could put my own life in danger.

Don't be so hard on starbuck, they are just putting their employee's safety first because they know these people are more likely to get aggravated and probably use the gun. Think about it, can you really come up to a person and say "Sir, guns are not allow in this building, please leave". If anything, point to the law about the rights to carry open arm. Personally, I think carrying an open gun is confusing because you don't know if the person is going to rob your store (or worse) or not and you can't figure out if you should alert the police or not.

I don't think that's the reason why they didn't ask the armed customers to leave.

Do you really think that someone who is lawfully carrying a gun is going to start shooting just because someone asks them to leave? Who's the paranoid one here?

No. The manager isn't afraid that the customer will start shooting. The manager is afraid that the gun carriers will organize a protest and boycott of his business.

A robber isn't going to wear his gun in the open because that would make him obvious, and he knows the staff will be watching him. The robber will sneak his gun into the place, under his hoodie sweater, or in his waistband (unsafe but "cool" way to carry, BTW).

If anything, any robber who sees a table full of gun-carrying coffee drinkers will probably think twice about robbing that establishment and depart without even making an attempt.

 

[Lighthouse77]

A robber only come when business is slow....which means hardly anyone is there. I know that for a fact. I also know that all businesses train their employee not to act hero.. so even if he wan't afraid of protest, he still tell his employees to leave them alone because it is safer.

 

[Reba]

actually, growing up around hunters in the rural mountains, some do get aggravated even though they never shot me, they do have a rough side in them. I speak from experience. Forest Rangers will tell you how aggravated they get when they fine them for doing something illegal. but anyway, safety come first so these employees don't know what in their mind.. .

That's the difference. The hunter was doing something illegal and was approached by an officer enforcing the law.

The people carrying their guns in the open in Starbucks are doing so legally so they aren't going to be fined or arrested.

 

[Jiro]

every town, city have their own version of Redneck. Gangster come in mind.

so stay away then if you feel uncomfortable. Beside - they aren't breaking any law anyway. If the business owner feels the appearance of gun (legally) is making customers uncomfortable thus driving away profits, then he is free to post a "NO GUN ALLOWED" sign.

beside - gangster is criminal. they aren't supposed to have guns. and they're certainly not going to openly carry their guns in public view and they will not be chilling at Starbucks either. They are usually well-known to many police officers and they would be arrested immediately.

 

[Reba]

PLUS, one of them may be a robber and they definitely get aggravated if you ask them to leave. like I wrote, I was train not to act hero in a situation like that. It's hard to figure out who is there to drink coffee and who is there to rob them


edited (I see you saw me edited to add on.. LOL sorry.)

A robber isn't going to be wearing his gun in the open. He's not going to get aggravated by a manager asking him to leave. What's he going to say? "Man, you really aggravated me; I didn't even have time to rob you yet. Wait until I finish my coffee and robbery, then I'll leave."

That's a ridiculous scenario.

 

[Jiro]

A robber only come when business is slow....which means hardly anyone is there. I know that for a fact. I also know that all businesses train their employee not to act hero.. so even if he wan't afraid of protest, he still tell his employees to leave them alone.

so.... what does this have to do with gun-allowed policy? Gun Allowed or not, the robber will rob anyway.

 

[Reba]

A robber only come when business is slow....which means hardly anyone is there. I know that for a fact. I also know that all businesses train their employee not to act hero.. so even if he wan't afraid of protest, he still tell his employees to leave them alone because it is safer.

Yes, that rule applies to actual robbers. That doesn't apply to law-abiding customers.

 

[Lighthouse77]

That's the difference. The hunter was doing something illegal and was approached by an officer enforcing the law.

The people carrying their guns in the open in Starbucks are doing so legally so they aren't going to be fined or arrested.

I agree, but they did have legally rights to own guns. they were hunting in no trespassing area.

 

[Jiro]

I agree, but they did have legally rights to own guns. they were hunting in no trespassing area.

and officer was not harmed, right? no wild west shootout? nothing?