Guns in Starbucks ??

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Sign requirements:
SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.

(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.

(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:

(1) clearly visible from outside the building;

(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;

(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;

(5) a diameter of a circle; and

(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.

(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:

(1) thirty-six inches wide by forty-eight inches tall in size;

(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three- inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty-four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;

(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety-six inches above the ground;

(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.
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S.C. Code of Laws Title 23 Chapter 31 Firearms - www.scstatehouse.gov-LPITS
 
Reba said:
A robber isn't going to be wearing his gun in the open. He's not going to get aggravated by a manager asking him to leave. What's he going to say? "Man, you really aggravated me; I didn't even have time to rob you yet. Wait until I finish my coffee and robbery, then I'll leave."

That's a ridiculous scenario.
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That's pretty good. How would you like to write for Golfer Theater??:lol:
 
Businesses have the right to refuse service. If they have a no gun policy, then they can ask you to leave. Not leaving would be grounds for trespassing. There are businesses where they say "No shoes, no services." And so on.
 
netrox said:
Remember gun-totting soccer mom? Dead.

Gun-toting soccer mom is shot dead | Breaking Midstate News with The Patriot-News - - PennLive.com

Not good.
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nothing related to this thread. She died as the result of violent domestic violence.

netrox said:
Honestly, if you carry gun openly then I would question why. Why not conceal it or be more discreet? When I see a person carrying it, I think he's wanting attention. In Texas, we have CCW and it works just fine.
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there's no need for you to question us if we choose to openly carry our gun. It's because we can! :cool2:

In many states, they have OC (Open Carry) law and it works just fine as well. Some people choose to OC rather than CCW because of heavy responsibility, training and legality that come with CCW. Plus - you need a license for CCW... and none for OC.
 
nothing related to this thread. She died as the result of violent domestic violence
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yes, in fact, I think she wished she could use her gun. Her husband was just way too violent and will come up a way to kill her, with or without guns
 
kokonut said:
Businesses have the right to refuse service. If they have a no gun policy, then they can ask you to leave. Not leaving would be grounds for trespassing. There are businesses where they say "No shoes, no services." And so on.
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No pun intended
 
Reba said:
A robber isn't going to be wearing his gun in the open. He's not going to get aggravated by a manager asking him to leave. What's he going to say? "Man, you really aggravated me; I didn't even have time to rob you yet. Wait until I finish my coffee and robbery, then I'll leave."

That's a ridiculous scenario.
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yes, it is true. some people are like ticking bomb when they think irrational. You interfere, they blow up. You don't know how insane people think. This is why I say, "Employee's safety come first"
 
Lighthouse77 said:
yes, it is true. some people are like ticking bomb when they think irrational. You interfere, they blow up. You don't know how insane people think. This is why I say, "Employee's safety come first"
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If that's true then you can never say anything to anyone if you fear they will blow up. That's a paranoid way to live.
 
*shrug* if that's what you think. can you ask an insane person with a gun to leave, especially he is planning on robbing the store? I dare you :)
 
Lighthouse77 said:
*shrug* if that's what you think. can you ask an insane person with a gun to leave, especially he is planning on robbing the store? I dare you :)
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Can you ask an insane person with a fork to leave?
 
TXgolfer said:
Can you ask an insane person with a fork to leave?
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when an insane is planning to rob a store, It means he is under stress (financial problems probably trigger it) it usually his last straw and is not thinking rationally right now. He is carrying a gun, which a gun only serve for several purposes: to injury a person and for power ( yes, people carry for protection, but you don't know what anyone is thinking so that's why it is better not to aggravate anyone about it). Now if an insane is working as usual, he is more likely not under stress unless you suspect something then you have to watch out.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
*shrug* if that's what you think. can you ask an insane person with a gun to leave, especially he is planning on robbing the store? I dare you :)
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How would you know someone is planning to rob your store? If you are suspicious of someone in your store contact the police and prepare to flee or defend yourself.

If the person is truly insane, and he is waving around a gun, contact the police and prepare to flee or defend yourself.

No one expects you to confront an insane person who is waving around a gun.

That's not the same scenario as a couple of customers calmly drinking their coffee at a Starbucks.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
... Now if an insane is working as usual, he is more likely not under stress unless you suspect something then you have to watch out.
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I'm puzzled as to what is considered "working as usual" for an insane person. :confused:
 
Lighthouse77 said:
I'm glad starbuck don't force their employees to ask people to leave because they carry a gun. Their safety come first. As a convenience store cashier for several years, I was trained not to act as a hero because it would mean I could put my own life in danger.

Don't be so hard on starbuck, they are just putting their employee's safety first because they know these people are more likely to get aggravated and probably use the gun. Think about it, can you really come up to a person and say "Sir, guns are not allow in this building, please leave". If anything, point to the law about the rights to carry open arm. Personally, I think carrying an open gun is confusing because you don't know if the person is going to rob your store (or worse) or not and you can't figure out if you should alert the police or not.
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I actually know someone from South Georgia that punched a security guard out cold for trying to disarm him while he was shopping.

The security guard came up behind him, grabbed his arm then tried to remove his gun very fast.

My friend punched him with a roundhouse punch and knocked the guard out.

No charges were pressed against my friend - but the guard was arrested for assault.
 
Reba said:
I'm puzzled as to what is considered "working as usual" for an insane person. :confused:
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Some go undiagnosed for years. Look at people who been working all these years, feeling fine... and when they get fired, things changed. Look at people's comments who say they are shocked that such a person do this and he/she was such a nice person. That's what I mean working as usual. They go to work like normal, and they are fine and no one suspect a thing.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
when an insane is planning to rob a store, It means he is under stress (financial problems probably trigger it) it usually his last straw and is not thinking rationally right now. He is carrying a gun, which a gun only serve for several purposes: to injury a person and for power ( yes, people carry for protection, but you don't know what anyone is thinking so that's why it is better not to aggravate anyone about it). Now if an insane is working as usual, he is more likely not under stress unless you suspect something then you have to watch out.
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Lighthouse77 said:
Some go undiagnosed for years. Look at people who been working all these years, feeling fine... and when they get fired, things changed. Look at people's comments who say they are shocked that such a person do this and he/she was such a nice person. That's what I mean working as usual. They go to work like normal, and they are fine and no one suspect a thing.
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let's not play Dr. Phil in here, shall we? And... what you just said there... Dr. Phil would not agree with your armchair analysis.
 
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