God Versus Satan

[Yiffzer]

Correct: It's God, not Jesus.

THANK YOU...!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Does it make you feel good when people trust you? Does it make you mad when people refuse to trust what you say? I think God feels the same way. He has done many things to prove to mankind that He exists but we keep refusing. For example Jesus, People saw him, some people didn't believe in Jesus, and still don't. How many times does God have to prove to you all about him? I can't help it when some of you people are so stubborn.

I'm not mad and angry if the people don't want to trust what I say... Why should I? All what I say is up to them or their choice either they want to trust us or not... but I don't kill them because they refuse to believe or trust what I say. I do not expect to make them to trust/beleive what I say. Their decision...

 

[VamPyroX]

I don't know. If they never sinned, they would live forever, and if their descendants never sinned they would also live forever. But I don't deal in what coulda, shoulda, woulda happened. I deal with what did happen.

So, what constitutes a sin?

It sounds like they could do anything they wanted with it being considered a sin as long as they didn't touch the forbidden fruit.

Who knows, Adam and Eve probably had sex with the animals.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If the only way to get to Heaven is through God - what about all the BILLIONS of people who existed before Christ's time who had never heard of God. Do they go to Hell automatically? Heaven automatically? Limbo forever? (There are hundreds of millions of people since Christ who still haven't even heard of him). What about a rapist / murderer / child molester who believes in God and repents; will they get into Heaven ahead of an atheist who lived their whole life in accordance with Christian values of tolerance, compassion and humility? How does this square with God being morally perfect if he rewards these behaviours in this way?

Very very true... a lot of Killers, Rapists, wrestlers, etc become born again Christians. It look like that they will go heaven when they dies because they trust to beleive in God and I go hell because I doubt God's existance and beleive in Jesus's existance.

I'm a good and helpful person and don't kill anyone because they refuse to beleive/trust what I say... but I still go hell because I doubt God's existance.

I accept to go hell... Oh well...

You claim you believe so you will be saved if there is a god, but what if you chose the wrong religion? What if the Islam god is true, or the Mormon god, or Hindu god(s)? What if every earth religion got it wrong, and the real god only lets people in to heaven who didn't believe in any of the 'wrong' earth religions?

What if the Christian god is true, but he decides to kick you out of heaven because you only believed in him to 'hedge your bets', and this arguement seems to state?

Very true, Nobody knows which bibles are correct or not??? Perhaps Islam is a true God or ???? That's why I don't obey what the bible says and rather to see myself when I die. I read the bible story as history... okay...but not do what the bible says.

 

[VamPyroX]

Yes, that's right...

but....

Adam and Eve are very first people in the earth and children of God... Yes, they learn what good or bad are about...like you, me and everyone... They have no idea what "lie" is about, what "honest" is about... What "Satan" is about...and going on... Everything is new to them... (including garden, animals, etc.). They are very innoncent people... Eve didn't know that the snake who spoke her is Satan, not God. She thought it's okay... God has no reason to make a harsh punishment on them but discipline them to not do that again next time and teach them what Satan is about... , took fruit from someone's tree is wrong, etc.. like what we parents teach our children what wrong or right... Right? You know that the children often ignore their parent and tried out of curiousily and realize that their parents are right next time and then improve their mistake.... Right?

What you, me and everyone did the worst than Eve did... but we correct our mistake and know what we doing next time... Right? That's exactly what Eve and Adam did... We all are human... I would disguist if Eve kill Adam, animal or whatever but took fruit from someone's tree?

Maybe, Satan is really a good person... but God beat them to it.

Remember what I said about how some NTID students perceive rumors? If they hear it first, it's true.

In this case, Adam and Eve are newbies... pure virgins who have never known what to believe or understand. So, the first thing they hear is what? It's God telling them what to do and what not to do. So, when they are tempted... they are confused.

Again, back to the NTID students... where a lot of them are educated on alcohol and drugs. Yet, they don't care and do it anyway.

That's probably what happened with Adam and Eve. They saw the forbidden fruit. They heard that the fruits were delicious. God never told them why they couldn't touch the forbidden fruit, just not to eat it. But... they didn't think of the consequences... and went for it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So, what constitutes a sin?

It sounds like they could do anything they wanted with it being considered a sin as long as they didn't touch the forbidden fruit.

Who knows, Adam and Eve probably had sex with the animals.

could be true...

God told Eve and Adam to take anything what they wants except forbidden tree. It look like that they allow to kill, sex, steal anything what they likes except one forbidden tree...

 

[Yiffzer]

Maybe, Satan is really a good person... but God beat them to it.

Remember what I said about how some NTID students perceive rumors? If they hear it first, it's true.

In this case, Adam and Eve are newbies... pure virgins who have never known what to believe or understand. So, the first thing they hear is what? It's God telling them what to do and what not to do. So, when they are tempted... they are confused.

Again, back to the NTID students... where a lot of them are educated on alcohol and drugs. Yet, they don't care and do it anyway.

That's probably what happened with Adam and Eve. They saw the forbidden fruit. They heard that the fruits were delicious. God never told them why they couldn't touch the forbidden fruit, just not to eat it. But... they didn't think of the consequences... and went for it.

are you an idiot or something? you portray "ntid students" as pretty fucked up people. i don't know what world you're living in but get out some more (no really, you post here a lot). at least don't socialize with the bad crowd. and grow up too. :roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Maybe, Satan is really a good person... but God beat them to it.

Remember what I said about how some NTID students perceive rumors? If they hear it first, it's true.

In this case, Adam and Eve are newbies... pure virgins who have never known what to believe or understand. So, the first thing they hear is what? It's God telling them what to do and what not to do. So, when they are tempted... they are confused.

Again, back to the NTID students... where a lot of them are educated on alcohol and drugs. Yet, they don't care and do it anyway.

That's probably what happened with Adam and Eve. They saw the forbidden fruit. They heard that the fruits were delicious. God never told them why they couldn't touch the forbidden fruit, just not to eat it. But... they didn't think of the consequences... and went for it.

Yes, I have seen like that... It's normal that everyone experiment out of curiously. We taught them wrong and right.

God told Eve and Adam to not touch forbidden tree and they will die if they touch forbidden tree. Eve thought snake is a God because she didn't know what Satan, Evil, lie is about...

I don't ask my children to leave my house because they did something wrong but discipline them. Why can't God do the same because Eve and Adam are his children... ?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, the end can happen soon. This time, it won't be flood but total destruction.

Yeah.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, you are right but im not worried, know what i mean,
dont you, Reba?

Yeah, I don't worry either...

All what I do is enjoy my life at present...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You wonder why everything is worse? Its because of evilness,
caused by evil people. 9/11 happened because of evil people, it was the
Terrorists, you know that. Oklahoma City bombing
caused by one single person and he was evil..i could go on and on and
they all were evil.
Do not blame God, period. Remember, we all were born sinners!

I only tried to tell you to compare their time with present time then you see the difference between their time and present time. Who worst? I tried to explain the comparision between their time and present time because someone explained that God drown bad and sinners in Noah Ark's time... and ask why can't God do the same when there're worst at present time (terrorist, 9/11, etc). Please read my post carefully.

Yes I already know for a long time that we all are sinners.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I work with deaf children, raise my children, give them attention, show respect for strangers, my friends, and family, donate to charity from time to time, pay my bills, dont steal, dont kill other people, dont abuse anyone or anything, and many more good things that I do in my life so if I am a nonbeliever, I go to hell?

*nodding agreement* I'm the same as you as well...

To Christian, we will go hell and again born Christians rapist/murders will go heaven...

 

[VamPyroX]

could be true...

God told Eve and Adam to take anything what they wants except forbidden tree. It look like that they allow to kill, sex, steal anything what they likes except one forbidden tree...

Therefore, they should be happy to have eaten the forbidden fruit.

What if they never procreated... and killed each other?

 

[VamPyroX]

are you an idiot or something? you portray "ntid students" as pretty fucked up people. i don't know what world you're living in but get out some more (no really, you post here a lot). at least don't socialize with the bad crowd. and grow up too. :roll:

I didn't say "ALL".

Of course, there are NTID students who have common sense.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

FYI, I am not JW. You've asked me the same question before and I gave you the same answers repeatly. I don't change anythin'.

Yes I know you are not JW but only tell you what I know from your description what I received from JW people in the past. That's all.

Well, since the Bible tells its history about killin', abuses, murders, and all - it makes no differences as it applies today. God sees all the same from the beginnin' until today - no differences. All the sins ( killin', abuses, murders, and etc., etc. ) are repeatly the same thing over and over and over.

Yes there're murders, killers, etc everywhere since Cain & Abel.... and then God kill people who don't beleive in him, not Jesus. I read the bible story that Jesus did not kill people but save their lives and discipline them... I'm the same as Jesus as well, not God. because I don't kill anyone and don't punish children harshly but discipline them.

I don't agree with Vampy about " gamblin' us and our lives ". That's his opinions the way he sees it. That's his flesh's view, not spiritual's view... just like you.

I see no problem to have you to disagree with us... Don't you?

Yes, they have good hearts for the poor children, homeless, and everythin' BUT, that's NOT what God is expectin' them to do, because God looks at their hearts, NOT by their works. Are they acceptin' Christ as their personal Saviour ? Or are they just focusin' on helpin' people in time of needs without Christ in their lives ? There's LOTS of people out there who NEEDS Christ in their lives and it is the christian people's responsibility to share the gospel with them....so, they can experience their intimate relationship with God with great joy. It also can help them to prosper by gettin' job, or good things in life through Christ via attendin' church for spiritual grow. Through Christ, there's ALWAYS prosperin'. Without Christ, there's no prosperin'.

Sorry, your post make no sense to me...

Of course we work to bring our children up in form of discipline way. Oh yes, we work to help poor people with charity, foods, etc. to improve their better life because we have heart... We really has no time to worship God or read the bible and do what the bible say or whatever because we are BUSY to consider our OWN life and help other people and family life and give our heart to them... Those people who have good heart and do not need christs but their own strength and know what they doing without need christ... God do NOTHING but us.... who work to help anyone...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The Bible said the Satan is a MURDERER. Therefore the Satan is the WORST one!!!

The human author of your bible says this.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling, You stated before you believe in Jesus, now looking at your posts, It sure does not even show that you do. You mocking God, even labeled him "murder". tsk tsk!!

*scratch my head* Did I say anything negative about Jesus? Mocking God?

I only doing my theory to compare the bible with facts. Oh yes, I played theory with Vampy in some posts because we both see pretty illogical what the bibleS written about. We tried to compare the bible with the facts at present time.

I only say what I see from the bible that God killed bad people because they don't beleive in him. Jesus? None! All what I see from the bible that Jesus is a good and loving person who save people's life and discipline them wrong and right. He don't kill anyone.

*scratch my head* some christians deny that God kill Egyptian firstborns and kept say that they don't blame God for that because they are bad people... etc etc etc but they in their most posts under Current Events Section and label/judge the people as murder, etc who kill firstborns but not at God who kill Egyptian firstborns babies and blame the people for their stubborn... *scratch my head*

I judge/label the people who kill anyone as Killer or Murder equal... no matter what... if the bible says that God killed people then he is a murder as well. If the bible is wrong about God then he is not murder...

All what I'm trying to tell you that a bible is a not fact book but a faith book... I'm not going to change your mind but yourself. Try to open your mind to see both sides and try to see the sense and compare between their and present time... I use the same as you in the past and alway thought that bad people deserve die... God doing good job to kill them because they are bad people, etc... that's how my Roman Catholic Grandparents and JW people brainwashed me... until I open my mind and see the sense myself... I learn alot from my hubby and boys and then forums here... I learn that the people who kill other people is a murder/killer or the people who trys to defend themselves from attackers then they are not murder/killer but defend to save their life against attacker. As what the bibleS claim that God drown the bad people at Noah Ark time, destory bad people, kill firstborns etc... then he is a murder.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Jesus didn't exist until after Noah.

Exactly

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Satan works VERY HARD at breakin' up the families. Reason : They don't go to church, or work things out together by readin' the bible to seek Christ in their hearts, and so on. Satan hates family values and morals. Satan loves to prostituin' christians by destroyin' their morals... thinkin' it is okay to do drugs or gamblin' or abuse or drinkin' and all bad things. THAT bad things caused the marriage to break up. SINS are the reasons behind it all

Blame, blame, blame Satan...:roll: Don't blame Satan but religions themselves who fights over their beliefs. Blame the parents or peers or medias who expose their children into bad path like that... What I do is ignore bad things and go good path... Everyone who knows themselves what right or wrong or improve their life or learn to correct their mistakes or whatever...

I have a lot of things to do in my real life than worry about go to church to worship the statue/cross or whatever.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What I mean if God loves all of us, then why will I go to hell even doing all these good things? That is what I mean.

*nodding agreement*