God Versus Satan

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I would rather eat from the tree of knowledge... after all, knowledge is power.
It was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not "knowledge" as in a book of facts and figures. It was the knowledge of exposure to good and evil experiences. That kind of knowledge isn't power but decline and death.
 
Jesus H. Christ! You're going around in circles!

I ask a simple question and you can't even answer it in a simple manner.

Who does the actual killing when the end comes.

God or Satan?

God win the victory, Satan done his killing
 
Jesus was there, when the world was created, Jesus was there when Abraham was there, Jesus was there when Moses was there, Jesus was there when King David was there, Jesus was there when Elijah was there. Jesus left His heavenly places to be born to become human like us to die for us. A Perfect Lamb of God.
 
Jesus didn't exist until after Noah.
Jesus Himself was Creator of the universe. He has always existed. Prior to His incarnation as baby Jesus, born of Mary, He appeared in pre-incarnate form to many people. One example is when He was in the fiery furnace with the three Hebrew boys, and another example was when He was one of the three men who visited Abraham before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
 
It was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not "knowledge" as in a book of facts and figures. It was the knowledge of exposure to good and evil experiences. That kind of knowledge isn't power but decline and death.
So, God wanted Adam and Eve to experience nothing... no good and no bad.

I guess God doesn't believe in pleasure.
 
Jesus Himself was Creator of the universe. He has always existed. Prior to His incarnation as baby Jesus, born of Mary, He appeared in pre-incarnate form to many people. One example is when He was in the fiery furnace with the three Hebrew boys, and another example was when He was one of the three men who visited Abraham before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Where does it say in the Bible that Jesus appeared before his birth?
 
So, God wanted Adam and Eve to experience nothing... no good and no bad.

I guess God doesn't believe in pleasure.
I didn't say all pleasure is bad. God didn't say all pleasure is bad. Who said anything about pleasure being "bad"?
 
So, God wanted Adam and Eve to experience nothing... no good and no bad.

I guess God doesn't believe in pleasure.

Boy, You sure judged God so much. Best not to judge when you do not have all the relevant facts. ;)

You too Shel90. tsk tsk!! ;)
 
Boy, You sure judged God so much. Best not to judge when you do not have all the relevant facts. ;)

You too Shel90. tsk tsk!! ;)

:eek3:

Just playing with Vampy. :D
 
I didn't say all pleasure is bad. God didn't say all pleasure is bad. Who said anything about pleasure being "bad"?
So, what would have happened to Adam and Eve if they didn't eat the forbidden fruit?
 
Reba,

I would like to know from your point of views. Supposely, if Satan don't subtle Adam and Eve by eatin' a forbidden fruit, what their lives be like without sin ?

Will they be able to conceive their own children if, not for eatin' a forbidden fruit ? I know " sex " is a sin but, when God first created this earth before Adam, He said to multiply all the creatures. So, what do you see in all this ? I know what I see, but I would like to know what you see ... to see, if I see right what you see. :)
 
... Supposely, if Satan don't subtle Adam and Eve by eatin' a forbidden fruit, what their lives be like without sin ?
I don't know. I don't do "what if's".


Will they be able to conceive their own children if, not for eatin' a forbidden fruit ? I know " sex " is a sin...
Sex between husband and wife is NOT a sin.


...when God first created this earth before Adam, He said to multiply all the creatures.
God expected Adam and Eve to have children.
 
So, what would have happened to Adam and Eve if they didn't eat the forbidden fruit?
I don't know. If they never sinned, they would live forever, and if their descendants never sinned they would also live forever. But I don't deal in what coulda, shoulda, woulda happened. I deal with what did happen.
 
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For some reason, these verses won't post. For now, I'll just give you the references, and we'll see if these post.

Genesis 18:1-33

Daniel 3:19-27
 
I don't know. I don't do "what if's".



Sex between husband and wife is NOT a sin.



God expected Adam and Eve to have children.

Ok, :ty: Similiar thoughts here. :)
 
He was the first man that God created and the first person that God let him rule the world, and even told him what not to do, what is to do, to take care of his creation, to populate the earth, and to have a relationship with him. Adam had a free will but God only told him one important thing, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But, Adam listened to his wife, Eve and eaten from the tree of evil. Eve was the only one who listened to Satan, when Satan brainwashed Eve by saying she would be like God if she ate the fruit from the tree.

Yes, that's right...

but....

Adam and Eve are very first people in the earth and children of God... Yes, they learn what good or bad are about...like you, me and everyone... They have no idea what "lie" is about, what "honest" is about... What "Satan" is about...and going on... Everything is new to them... (including garden, animals, etc.). They are very innoncent people... Eve didn't know that the snake who spoke her is Satan, not God. She thought it's okay... God has no reason to make a harsh punishment on them but discipline them to not do that again next time and teach them what Satan is about... , took fruit from someone's tree is wrong, etc.. like what we parents teach our children what wrong or right... Right? You know that the children often ignore their parent and tried out of curiousily and realize that their parents are right next time and then improve their mistake.... Right?

What you, me and everyone did the worst than Eve did... but we correct our mistake and know what we doing next time... Right? That's exactly what Eve and Adam did... We all are human... I would disguist if Eve kill Adam, animal or whatever but took fruit from someone's tree?
 
Also Jesus did warn Noah the flood was coming and the world was gonna end, to save as many people as possible, Noah had to give frequent seminars warning the people about the coming flood and the end of life, as they knew i!! After a while, fewer and fewer people attended, until eventually, no one showed up. Who's fault is that? God? No, the people! If the people would have listen and not being so damn stubborn, then they're be saved. It's not my problem it's their problem. If Jesus told me that the world was ending, I would listen to him and would have done what he says. ;)

Correct: It's God, not Jesus.
 
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