Gitmo Closing

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Byrdie714 said:
Maybe because one is political and the other isn't? :dunno:
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what about Tim McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ted Kaczynski? Ramzi Yousef? Aum Shinrikyo? which one are criminal and terrorist?
 
Jiro said:
what about Tim McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ted Kaczynski? Ramzi Yousef? Aum Shinrikyo? which one are criminal and terrorist?
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They all are.

They all commited terrorist attacks against the State.

Tim McVeigh--we all know bombed the federal building in OKC. Eric Rudolph as the bomber of the Atlanta Olympics, Ted Kaczynski was known to sent bombs to universities and airlines which disrupts commerce, Rami Yousef was part of the WTC bombings and Aum Shinrikyo of Japan carried out the terrorist attacks on their subway system as well as started a religious cult.

So the above--were all political acts.

A criminal commits an act against an individual.
 
Byrdie714 said:
They all are.

They all commited terrorist attacks against the State.

Tim McVeigh--we all know bombed the federal building in OKC. Eric Rudolph as the bomber of the Atlanta Olympics, Ted Kaczynski was known to sent bombs to universities and airlines which disrupts commerce, Rami Yousef was part of the WTC bombings and Aum Shinrikyo of Japan carried out the terrorist attacks on their subway system as well as started a religious cult.

So the above--we're all political acts.

A criminal commits an act against an individual.
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there you go. a perfect distinction between criminal and terrorist. do you understand now, dreama?
 
webexplorer said:
I have thought about it before I wrote it on my post.

Were there a law that requires young people to register a military draft? No?
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Young men still have to register for the draft (Selective Service) but no one gets drafted now.
 
Byrdie714 said:
Maybe because one is political and the other isn't? :dunno:
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I think that's part of it. Terrorists do their dirty deeds for ideological reasons, whereas common criminals do their dirty deeds for material gain or personal gratification.
 
Yeah, you must register for Selective Service by the time you hit 18. If you don't, there's some serious consequences involved when they find out. Like prison years and federal fine or something at the extreme cases.

For students, NO to selective service just means no financial aid from the government really.
 
Hear Again said:
a tv, laptop and a library??? what is this? the taj mahal? the only thing those prisoners ought to be surrounded by is brick and mortar.
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I agree. They should just get the basics. No luxuries.
 
Jiro said:
why don't you tell me the difference between terrorists and criminals.
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Well a Serial killer kills lots of people. He is clasified as a criminal.

A terrorist also kills lots of people so he can also be clasified the same way.

That's why I was asking why the distinction?
 
Hear Again said:
you don't see the difference, dreama? it's obvious. terrorists will stop at *nothing* to kill others for the sake of jihad. criminals at least (some of them anyways) show remorse over the crimes they've committed. i've never seen a terrorist feel bad about the lives they've ended or the chaos they've created, have you?
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Actually you've got a point there. I remember reading about this guy who sent his pregnant girlfriend on a plane with a bomb. That would have blown up all the plane, girlfriend and his unborn child. Ten years later I read an article about him. It seems he still wasn't sorry about what he'd done.

A terrorist is a criminal, but I guess they are one of the worse types.
 
the difference though is that criminals are usually caught whereas terrorists are not because they choose to blow themselves up.
 
I don’t really see HOW any American court is going to be able to try them under our laws, all those cases would have to be dismissed with prejudice. ALL of their rights have already been consistently violated FOR YEARS, not to mention the wee issue of the TORTURE of course, lol. If we bring those fuckers onto our land, we’ll be lucky if they don’t all file a big ass fucking lawsuit against us AND WIN.
 
dreama said:
Well a Serial killer kills lots of people. He is clasified as a criminal.

A terrorist also kills lots of people so he can also be clasified the same way.

That's why I was asking why the distinction?
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Serial killers are usually born with a predisposition to violence and murder; their environment may predict if they kill. Anyone can be a terrorist with the right social influences.
 
Hear Again said:
the difference though is that criminals are usually caught whereas terrorists are not because they choose to blow themselves up.
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True, although some serial killers have also committed suicide after killing a bunch of people.

By the way. I'm not trying to defend these people. Far from it.
 
Random tip: If you are ever kidnapped by a serial killer try to make yourself more human to them by telling them about yourself. i.e.: "I have kids, my name is shawn, I really like pizza." I know it's weird, but it's worked before.
 
I'm amazed how some of you disagree with Obama's decision for close Guantanamo Bay - concentration camp. I thought some of you would agree that torture should not be tolerated...?

Guantanamo has been an "embarrassment" to the USA in the past years that's why I :applause: Obama's decision to close Guantanamo Bay within a year.

Why does some of you seem to think that all the people in Guantanamo Bay are terrorists?

Does they have trial?

Have they been convicted?

What kind of evidence do we have against them?

How do you know they are terrorists? Most of them haven't even been charged with anything yet. Are they terrorists because the US government said so? Don't forget that same government said that Saddam had WMDs in Iraq? Oh yes, that same government once said that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda were connect each other? :roll:

I do not against suspected terrorists being arrested and keep for few days until they have proof but it's not right to send muslims to disgusting camp for torture them for years until they confess guilty without legal trial.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I'm amazed how some of you disagree with Obama's decision for close Guantanamo Bay - concentration camp. I thought some of you would agree that torture should not be tolerated...?

Guantanamo has been an "embarrassment" to the USA in the past years that's why I :applause: Obama's decision to close Guantanamo Bay within a year.

Why does some of you seem to think that all the people in Guantanamo Bay are terrorists?

Does they have trial?

Have they been convicted?

What kind of evidence do we have against them?

How do you know they are terrorists? Most of them haven't even been charged with anything yet. Are they terrorists because the US government said so? Don't forget that same government said that Saddam had WMDs in Iraq? Oh yes, that same government once said that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda were connect each other? :roll:

I do not against suspected terrorists being arrested and keep for few days until they have proof but it's not right to send muslims to disgusting camp for torture them for years until they confess guilty without legal trial.
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What about China and Russia? They have torture as well.
 
Maria said:
I just read an article that talked about sendin' them to Europe. Wonderin' if they are goin' to take them in ?
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Yes, Europe will accept these people where they can be given a FAIR trial and sentenced accordingly.
 
Foxrac said:
What about China and Russia? They have torture as well.
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I do not see anything that thread creator ask us for our opinion over China and Russia here but US president closed Guantanamo Bay. If we want to talk about China, Russia or East Germany (during communist time), Guantanamo Bay in general way then create a new thread to aviod :topic: posts here, Don't you agree?
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I do not see anything that thread creator ask us for our opinion over China and Russia here but US president closed Guantanamo Bay. If we want to talk about China, Russia or East Germany (during communist time) in general way then create a new thread to aviod :topic: posts here, Don't you agree?
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I don't understand about you use USA as torture in world. :roll:

Go ahead and create your own thread.
 
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