Gitmo Closing

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Jiro said:
but you know we're talking about terrorists.... not your typical thugs like robbers and rapists. These are dangerous terrorists who are trained in explosion, interrogation, torture, etc.
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Also, we have the additional threat of outside organized help for them.
 
Reba said:
Also, we have the additional threat of outside organized help for them.
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all for more reason why I want "island" for hardcore criminals/terrorists. I don't know what's safer than being housed in a military facility surrounded by ocean/shark + military + navy.

I don't even want to talk about building a supermax prison like Colorado. It costs over $60 million to build it.... for about 500 prisoners!!!
 
Reba said:
Yes, really. They had to empty out and close off a wing of the brig just for terrorists.
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wow. with that being the case, i hope they leave everyone at gitmo where they are until permanent facilities can be built for them.
 
Jiro said:
I don't even want to talk about building a supermax prison like Colorado. It costs over $60 million to build it.... for about 500 prisoners!!!
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terrorists could always beat the system in a supermax prison.
 
Hear Again said:
terrorists could always beat the system in a supermax prison.
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I find it very very unlikely. That's the reason why it's called supermax. In fact - I don't think we've ever had a break out from supermax prison (excluding from old time).
 
Not exactly what you want but related (I'm still looking):

Navy brig prisoner's perks include TV, laptop, library
By MEG KINNARD
Associated Press
Wednesday, April 16, 2008

COLUMBIA — An accused enemy combatant held in the Charleston Naval Consolidated Brig lives in a sprawling complex of prison cells that have been converted into areas for sleeping, living, storage and studying and include a nearly 400-volume personal Islamic library, according to federal prosecutors.

Court documents filed by the government in a defense of its treatment of Ali al-Marri state that he enjoys perks that include a laptop, cable TV and exercise machines.

Al-Marri, a 42-year-old legal resident alien from Qatar, was arrested in December 2001 and has been held in solitary detention at the brig in Hanahan for almost five years because the government said he had links to al-Qaida and was a threat to national security.

Al-Marri's "conditions of confinement are not only safe and humane, but provide him with a number of accommodations and privileges rarely seen in the military detention of enemy combatants," the government wrote in its brief, filed Monday. "He not only has adequate opportunities for human interaction, exercise, and intellectual stimulation ... his physical and mental health is regularly monitored, with appropriate care available if needed."

Last month, al-Marri's attorneys filed a complaint alleging that the nearly five years of isolation were affecting their client's health and ability to assist in his defense. Lawyer Jonathan Hafetz of the Brennan Center for Justice and Charleston attorney Andy Savage also argued that al-Marri should be entitled to unrestricted access to news and religious texts, as well as expedited correspondence with his family.

While he is mostly alone, al-Marri has several ways to exercise his mind, including interaction with prison officials, health care providers and representatives from the Red Cross, the government said.

He is restricted to his 80-square-foot "sleeping cell" from 10 p.m. to 5:30 a.m., but is free to use a nearby 1,000-square-foot "day room" and the other cells converted into rooms for his personal use. Al-Marri also has several indoor exercise machines and may exercise outdoors for up to four hours a day, the government said.

Hafetz on Tuesday said that despite the activities afforded al-Marri, it is the isolation itself that is most detrimental to his state of mind.
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Navy brig prisoner's perks include TV, laptop, library
 
what the fudge!? :mad2:
 
a tv, laptop and a library??? what is this? the taj mahal? the only thing those prisoners ought to be surrounded by is brick and mortar.
 
Hear Again said:
a tv, laptop and a library??? what is this? the taj mahal? the only thing those prisoners ought to be surrounded by is brick and mortar.
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no but it's your typical American prison.
 
Remember that it also says :

Hafetz on Tuesday said that despite the activities afforded al-Marri, it is the isolation itself that is most detrimental to his state of mind
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That outweighs more than the laptop computer, tv, and a library.

The isolation itself with the perks can still cause the prisoner to "break".
 
Byrdie714 said:
The isolation itself with the perks can still cause the prisoner to "break".
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true, but as long as they are regularly monitored by a prison psychiatrist (given al-marri's violent background), this can be prevented for the most part.
 
See, it doesn't matter where they are kept or what they are provided, they will still claim mistreatment.

...Jurors in the criminal case never heard Padilla’s full history, which according to U.S. officials included a graduation from the al-Qaida terror camp, a plot to detonate the "dirty bomb" and a plot to fill apartments with natural gas and blow them up. Much of what Padilla supposedly told interrogators during his long detention as an enemy combatant could not be used in court because he had no access to a lawyer and was not read his constitutional rights.

Padilla’s lawyers argued for a lenient sentence, in part because of his minor role in the conspiracy that was the subject of last year’s trial and because of claims that he was mistreated and tortured while he was held at a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C. U.S. officials denied those claims repeatedly....
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The rest of the story:
Convicted terror conspirator Jose Padilla sentenced to 17 years, 4 months
 
Reba said:
In my opinion, they should stay in GITMO. The facilities are already there, and they can be kept separate from our communities.

Are you talking about interment camps in America for civilians of Japanese descent? Or are you talking about Japanese soldiers that were taken prisoner in combat?
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I think I am talking about the former Japanese civilians at the camps in some of our states.

Are we aware that our government paid 300 billions of dollars (annually?) to rent GITMO in Cuba? Did we, taxpayers, actually paid that money for the concentration camp and a military prison? If yes, then why we give our money to Cuba?

Here is the link about GITMO: Guantanamo Bay Naval Base - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I recalled in the past that any of our lawyers cannot have the access to our U.S. Military for the interview with the American military prisoners. The prisoners who broke the laws such as AWOL or some who refuses to join the military. Federal lawyers can have the access, but the prices are impossible for anyone to pay to bring the prisoners back home. Am I correct?
 
Byrdie714 said:
Remember that it also says :

That outweighs more than the laptop computer, tv, and a library.

The isolation itself with the perks can still cause the prisoner to "break".
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Don't forget, that was his lawyer speaking, not a doctor.
 
Reba said:
Don't forget, that was his lawyer speaking, not a doctor.
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a psychiatrist could always say the same thing despite the fact that there have been numerous studies to prove this is true.
 
webexplorer said:
I think I am talking about the former Japanese civilians at the camps in some of our states.
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Thank you for clarifying.

The Japanese people who were interred were NOT combatants who were taken in battle. They were civilians who were taken from their American homes. The interment camps were a huge mistake by the USA but they weren't the equivalent of GITMO. Totally different situations and groups of people involved.


Are we aware that our government paid 300 billions of dollars annually? to rent GITMO in Cuba? Did we, taxpayers, actually paid that money for the concentration camp and a military prison? If yes, then why we give our money to Cuba?
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The US has a long-term lease of the GITMO property. That includes the already established Navy base. The detainee camp is just one small part of the base property. The base has been in Cuba since 1903, and it will be there long after the detainees leave.

U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay is the oldest U.S. base overseas and the only one in a Communist country. Located on the southeast corner of Cuba, in the Oriente Province, the base is about 400 air miles from Miami, Florida. The terrain and climate of Guantanamo Bay make it a haven for iguanas and banana rats.

In December 1903, the United States leased the 45 square miles of land and water for use as a coaling station. A treaty reaffirmed the lease in 1934 granting Cuba and her trading partners free access through the bay, payment of $2,000 in gold per year, equating to $4,085 today, and a requirement that both the U.S. and Cuba must mutually consent to terminate the lease.

Diplomatic relations with Cuba were cut in 1961 by President Dwight Eisenhower. At this time, many Cubans sought refuge on the base. U.S. Marines and Cuban militiamen began patrolling opposite sides of the base's 17.4 mile fenceline. Today, U.S. Marines and Cuba's "Frontier Brigade" still man fenceline posts 24 hours a day....
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Guantanamo Bay [GTMO] "GITMO"


I recalled in the past that any of our lawyers cannot have the access to our U.S. Military for the interview with the American military prisoners. The prisoners who broke the laws such as AWOL or some who refuses to join the military. Federal lawyers can have the access, but the prices are impossible for anyone to pay to take the prisoners back their home. Am I correct?
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Can you give me a more specific reference to your question? It's too vague for me to answer. Also, the cases of foreign combatants and American military members are totally different situations, under different laws.
 
Hear Again said:
a psychiatrist could always say the same thing despite the fact that there have been numerous studies to prove this is true.
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A psychiatrist could say that but in this situation a psychiatrist did NOT say it.
 
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