Gitmo Closing

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Unbelievable! You call that link "proof"?! How dare you! That is totally false incendiary posting.

Just because those pictures are linked under your key words, you assume that they actually show GITMO people and torture? Unbelievable!

Did you even bother to click on some of those images to see what the sources were, or what the stories were that they illustrated?

For example, the one of guys naked fighting are "The Royal Marines in this footage were stripped naked and forced to beat each other as part of an 'initiation ritual'".

Several examples were pictures from Abughraib, NOT GITMO.

Some pictures were, "Amnesty International members protest reported abuses of detainees at the hands of U.S. military at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in Paris in January 2007."

Some pictures aren't identified at all, so there's no way to tell who the people are, where they are, or what they are doing.

...AND YOU CALL THAT STUFF PROOF?!!!

That is totally dishonest. :mad:

Should I say something openly what I think of your response post here?
 
Should I say something openly what I think of your response post here?

You can, if you want to back up your original statement that "These are pics of GB torture". I don't see any harm in doing so.

But you must prove that they are actual pictures through the article, Reba and others will inspect to make sure it isn't some random photos.
 
Wow, I just clicked and saw those pictures and I have to say that's crazy. But I'm not going to be one shot to believe these are all from GB. There's no proof provided, we don't know if these are actual inmates at GB or another prison. The way google indexing works on images is that it searches the webpage for the topic that is discussed, and saves all the images on that page. The images don't necessarily have to be related to the topic, and it will tag it down. Once the tags are set, anyone who googles the terms will find the pictures linked to that website, and as you know, not all of the pics have to be 100% from the topic.

Here, here's an example:

You see this picture on the google image search:
r211085_810672.jpg


Then you go to the website that has the picture:
Canada red-faced after accusing US and Israel of torture // Current
When you read that it has no supporting evidence that this is from GB. It states in the news article that this is the method of torture, but it doesn't state that it's from GB. It could be anyone at another jail or even someone else's country.


Don´t you know that Cheney authorized torture against Guantanamo Detainees? He said this few weeks before 20th January 2009.

Waterboarding is not first time in GB but Abu Ghraib and Vietnam war.



 
Don´t you know that Cheney authorized torture against Guantanamo Detainees? He said this few weeks before 20th January 2009.

Waterboarding is not first time in GB but Abu Ghraib and Vietnam war.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised that torture is really happening, but what I am saying is I don't trust the picture is the actual GB tortures, We need proof that this is actually GB. It could be from someone else, the graphic can be very horrible but if it's not GB it doesn't connect with the original implied statement.
 
Should I say something openly what I think of your response post here?
Say whatever you want.

That doesn't change the fact that the link you posted for photos was chock full of misleading images. They were NOT pictures of torture at GITMO. Anyone who clicks on the individual images will be able to verify that. It's quite obvious that pictures were taken in places other than GITMO and/or not of torture.
 
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised that torture is really happening, but what I am saying is I don't trust the picture is the actual GB tortures, We need proof that this is actually GB. It could be from someone else, the graphic can be very horrible but if it's not GB it doesn't connect with the original implied statement.


Your doubt post over tortue issuses in GB got me wondering... because the pictures and videos, former datainees from different European countries including Australia share their experience in GB during TV interview... We have no reason to doubt their stories... Their interviews are being public on TV in Europe and other countries but America?

I only beleive because many detainees repeated their bad experience for YEARS there in GB. We have Turkish-German former Detainee Murat Kuranz who wrote the book (check the link on my response post to Webexplorer´s post). Many of their words against US Government... Bush and Cheney finally admits that they authorize torture against detainee... Bush "agree" to close the GB but it doesn´t happen.
 
No, Liebling you've got me mistaken. I don't doubt that there is torture happening, in fact I would be more inclined to agree that they are giving some sort of harsh treatment to the prisoners there in GB. Also I'm very concerned about the prisoners being sent into my state. I am in California and the detention facility isn't very far from where I live. People living in Hawaii don't have a detention facility, they may say "ok, thats fine move them to California!" I don't feel safe knowing Abdul Hassim the crazy Iraqi bomber is in the jail. Plus.. we don't know if moving them to the states will stop all forms of torture!

But what I'm trying to say is that the pictures with no source or proof don't represent the actual thing. It can be a mere paparazzi source and doesn't prove the original statement. Pictures are very powerful words, and they will easily sway people just by showing them the image.

What's wrong to do is use an image and show that this what's happening without proof. It is just misleading the public. Let me show you a comedic example, so you will get what I am saying.

http://www.alldeaf.com/jokes-funny-stories/61277-babys-know-jpgs.html
Here is a topic by dreamsfloatjoe on Obama vs Bush, it's a joke topic.

You see this picture #1:
Obama-baby11.jpg

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And you think ^ ok good! Obama is a great guy, even the children like him. He must know how to do politics and everything in honor and justice with righteousness.


Then you see this picture #2:
Bush-baby01.jpg

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Maybe some people would say "Ok, ex-president Bush cannot handle politics, see, look even the picture of the baby says so". Now is this a correct statement? There may be visuals captured that shows the difference between the two, but there is no proof backing this up.

It goes back to where I was saying earlier.. Pictures are very powerful words, if you want to say something, you must prove it is associated with your original statement with facts!
 
Say whatever you want.

That doesn't change the fact that the link you posted for photos was chock full of misleading images. They were NOT pictures of torture at GITMO. Anyone who clicks on the individual images will be able to verify that. It's quite obvious that pictures were taken in places other than GITMO and/or not of torture.

Okay, you ask for it. I tried to control my emotion when I read the whole thread here this morning and tried to debate with you in respectful way... but the worst is your last post finsih me off... your denial post make me feel sick with pain.

You should ashamed youself for deny detainees´s bad experiences in GB. All what you said is "no proof"... Of course GB is including in some pictures what I linked... Yes I know it´s not just GB but Abu Ghraib as well.... I have no reason to make up what I learn from read Murat´s book and saw TV interviews with many detainees, video and pictures who experienced in GB... It seem to me that we Europeans and other countries know more about GB and Abu Ghraib than Americans?

I would say that you are a bad, cold and horrible person... You are first person who denied the proof of tortue pictures... and Abu Ghraib... Many Americans in real life do not deny it and accept the fact that it´s true and glad that Obama did right thing.



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I would like to gently remind everyone that it is best to agree to disagree.

Although I am not able to agree to disagree with some members here I still respect their POVs.

Please if you feel you cannot debate with a cool mind, step away from the keyboard.

Be a lady/gentleman and sit on your hands. Don't type anything you will regret.

:hug: to everyone!
 
Okay, you ask for it. I tried to control my emotion when I read the whole thread here this morning and tried to debate with you in respectful way... but the worst is your last post finsih me off... your denial post make me feel sick with pain.

You should ashamed youself for deny detainees´s bad experiences in GB. All what you said is "no proof"... Of course GB is including in some pictures what I linked... Yes I know it´s not just GB but Abu Ghraib as well.... I have no reason to make up what I learn from read Murat´s book and saw TV interviews with many detainees, video and pictures who experienced in GB... It seem to me that we Europeans and other countries know more about GB and Abu Ghraib than Americans?

I would say that you are a bad, cold and horrible person... You are first person who denied the proof of tortue pictures... and Abu Ghraib... Many Americans in real life do not deny it and accept the fact that it´s true and glad that Obama did right thing.

:mad2::mad2:

what are you angry about? Maybe if you could be objective for one minute, you could actually do good here but unfortunately your boat sank because your case is weak. You need to show us the SPECIFIC PHOTOS of Gitmo Camp. Not Abu Ghraib... not some photos from other Iraq prisons or Iran or wherever.

See the title of this thread? Gitmo Closing. please stick to topic. :ty:
 
No, Liebling you've got me mistaken. I don't doubt that there is torture happening, in fact I would be more inclined to agree that they are giving some sort of harsh treatment to the prisoners there in GB. Also I'm very concerned about the prisoners being sent into my state. I am in California and the detention facility isn't very far from where I live. People living in Hawaii don't have a detention facility, they may say "ok, thats fine move them to California!" I don't feel safe knowing Abdul Hassim the crazy Iraqi bomber is in the jail. Plus.. we don't know if moving them to the states will stop all forms of torture!

Yes I can understand and respect your concern. Accord TV news of few hours ago that Gitmo detainees do not want to stay in America but Europe and other countries. It likely that some of EU countries accept them... there´re still inoffical either German Government accept Gitmo detainees or not. Wait and See.

If US military treat Gitmo detainees in legal way without torture then it is most likely that they won´t get hurt in return. I saw video of former gitmo detainees yesterday on TV that they join terrorists against US Government and want to see all Gitmo detainees out of GB. It look like that they are still bitter and revenge what and how they were being treat horrible in GB... :(

Obama did not say that he release the most dangerous men if there´re proof against them.



But what I'm trying to say is that the pictures with no source or proof don't represent the actual thing. It can be a mere paparazzi source and doesn't prove the original statement. Pictures are very powerful words, and they will easily sway people just by showing them the image.

Yes, I agree with you on this. I use the link of tortue INCLUDING links, not just pictures...


What's wrong to do is use an image and show that this what's happening without proof. It is just misleading the public. Let me show you a comedic example, so you will get what I am saying.

http://www.alldeaf.com/jokes-funny-stories/61277-babys-know-jpgs.html
Here is a topic by dreamsfloatjoe on Obama vs Bush, it's a joke topic.

You see this picture #1:
Obama-baby11.jpg

------------------
And you think ^ ok good! Obama is a great guy, even the children like him. He must know how to do politics and everything in honor and justice with righteousness.


Then you see this picture #2:
Bush-baby01.jpg

------------------
Maybe some people would say "Ok, ex-president Bush cannot handle politics, see, look even the picture of the baby says so". Now is this a correct statement? There may be visuals captured that shows the difference between the two, but there is no proof backing this up.

It goes back to where I was saying earlier.. Pictures are very powerful words, if you want to say something, you must prove it is associated with your original statement with facts!


I know what you mean... but we know the difference when we see the pictures... Yes, it´s sense of humor pictures like what you show me about Bush and Obama with babies... :lol: Everyone know that it´s sense of humor, not fact...
 
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The kitchen is heating up and this thread is closed for the meantime to let the kitchen cool it down. :)
 
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