Girl accidentally kills firing range instructor

[a l i v e]

it proves absolutely nothing. NYPD also shuffle around paperworks to prove to public and Supreme Court that "Frisk-And-Stop" policy works well with high yield in arrest as well as other claims.

guess what? they lied. and they will keep testilying because most of them can easily get away with it... and get patted on the back with promotions.

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LOL you think so? LOL

sorry bud. the statistic means absolutely nothing when you know nothing in background. I'm the local here and I can absolutely say with certainty that you are hearing what you want to hear. in fact - the statistic proves me right.

The stats prove you right? Feel free to show me where after the ban things went fubar.

Cops lie all over America. That's an entirely different discussion and I agree with you on that.

 

[Reba]

No I looked up vietcong and NVA specifically, according to what I read they had no soldiers younger than 15.

Maybe no "official" soldiers but that doesn't mean they didn't use children, women, and elderly people.

How old are you?

Do you look up specific "facts" as needed, or do you study entire histories?

 

[a l i v e]

So, not everyone hunts big game in America. Some people do.


I don't get your conclusion, at all. Second Amendment gun rights have nothing to do with hunting, so what does it matter if gun owners outnumber hunters? How do those numbers prove "that there are way to[o] many guns out there"? There is no correlation.

Just curious. You're on a deaf forum, a place where some people don't have impeccable English, and go right down to semantics and siccing them. Why?

 

[Reba]

Just curious. You're on a deaf forum, a place where some people don't have impeccable English, and go right down to semantics and siccing them. Why?

Why what? This isn't a thread about people's posting styles or English use.

 

[a l i v e]

Why what? This isn't a thread about people's posting styles or English use.

No, but was a question to what you have done in this thread. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Jiro]

The stats prove you right?

correct. Like I said - if you know the background behind the numbers that will match up with the reality... then you will see that it basically proved me right.

Feel free to show me where after the ban things went fubar.

Federal Assault Weapon Ban during Clinton Administration. Brady Campaign. it failed miserably and it was very costly. It achieved nothing. oh there's more - Supreme Court overturning DC & Chicago Gun Ban Law. DC Top Cop's announcement that they will no longer enforce handgun-carry law. People are waking up and they're realizing they've been listening to lies.

Cops lie all over America. That's an entirely different discussion and I agree with you on that.

The statistics are skewed/shuffled around for politicians. oh - can't ever forget botched "Fast And Furious" operation. oh my... how scandalous!

 

[Reba]

No, but was a question to what you have done in this thread. I'll leave it at that.

I post the same way in all threads. This one isn't special.

 

[Tousi]

No, but was a question to what you have done in this thread. I'll leave it at that.

No, you don't get to "leave it at that"......you made some sort of accusation so now explain yourself; otherwise, your'e grabbing at straws.

 

[a l i v e]

No, you don't get to "leave it at that"......you made some sort of accusation so now explain yourself; otherwise, your'e grabbing at straws.

I quoted an example. If you want to discuss more, feel free to make another thread and I'll be glad to discuss.

 

[a l i v e]

correct. Like I said - if you know the background behind the numbers that will match up with the reality... then you will see that it basically proved me right.


Federal Assault Weapon Ban during Clinton Administration. Brady Campaign. it failed miserably and it was very costly. It achieved nothing. oh there's more - Supreme Court overturning DC & Chicago Gun Ban Law. DC Top Cop's announcement that they will no longer enforce handgun-carry law. People are waking up and they're realizing they've been listening to lies.


The statistics are skewed/shuffled around for politicians. oh - can't ever forget botched "Fast And Furious" operation. oh my... how scandalous!

Then feel free to show me the numbers.

I know all about the costly recovery of handguns. That's why I've maintained the stance it doesn't work.

And when was the DC's announcement? Just curious.

 

[seb]

you do realize that there is a kid-version firearm? there's a kid-version car aka "go-cart"....

I didn't ask if you would let a child drive a go kart, I asked if you would let a child drive the family car! And you came up with another crazy answer. I think it's time for you to go out and see if you can find some road kill.

 

[seb]

best source to find out is to ask a Vietnam Vet. first thing you need to learn is that what you read does not always match up with the reality.

Then what's the point of looking anything up, if you aren't going to believe anything?

 

[seb]

yes you did. you calculated and assumed that only 7% hunted.


rural Americans?

I didn't do any calculations, the websites I found the statistics on the number of hunters did it for me, I just copied what they had in the statistics, but hey, you don't believe anything that is written or said, so what's the point?

 

[Reba]

I quoted an example. If you want to discuss more, feel free to make another thread and I'll be glad to discuss.

Then why did you even bring it up if you weren't willing to follow thru? Trolling?

 

[seb]

Ok, you might not have been able to see it clearly the first time, but I do carry the needle that is bursting your ego balloon every time.

What does same sex marriage bans have to do with banning guns? They are both ... bans - correct? A certain percentage of the population would be adversely affected by these bans ... correct?

What does this have to do with teaching a child to shoot a gun? I am not saying guns should be banned, just those that are assault weapons.

In your version of facts, you feel that a total and outright ban of firearms should take effect since, in your own words, 7% of the population hunts for their own food.

Never said they should be banned, read above. No one needs a machine gun.

It is a ban of something for a certain segment of the population you feel do not need to hunt for food since there is a Safeway and other grocery stores they can shop at to get their meat.

Never said that either. What I said is what a hunter spends per year to hunt, it would be cheaper to go to the grocery store!

It is something you are taking away from that segment of the population because you feel firearms to be immoral wicked little things that run around and kill little babies while in their sleep. They also run amok through inner cities and rob liquor stores and shoot people at random. They ... should .. not .. exist. People ... should .. not .. have .. them. They are vile and wicked. They must be destroyed.

Never said it, just assault rifles.

So, now, we have another segment of the population, and yet another "right". Do I need to carry this argument further, or are you beginning to see the connection? the difference is, one of these is a Constitutional right, whereas, the other is not.

And you have to look at the constitution as it was written and the time it was written. Yes, maybe we need to revisit the 2nd amendment like we did with the 21st and make some changes that make sense in the time we are now living. I'm not talking banning your precious guns, just outlawing the ones that can kill hundreds in a matter of minutes. But this is not about banning guns it's about the absurdity of teaching a 7 or 9 year old to shoot a gun or a machine gun.

 

[Jiro]

I didn't do any calculations, the websites I found the statistics on the number of hunters did it for me, I just copied what they had in the statistics, but hey, you don't believe anything that is written or said, so what's the point?

these are your calculations and assumptions from statistics -

Dude, the numbers don't lie, only 12.5 million in the US hunt and of the 12.5 million only 10.7 million hunt big game. So these 12.7 million must be shooting a lot of big game to feed most of the 314 million in the US as you claim. Try going into a grocery store I 'm sure you will see people at the meat counter. I have over 40 relatives in various parts of Upstate NY and I also have relatives who live in Ohio and not one of them that I know of hunts, so they must be getting their meat someplace. Maybe they are paying their neighbor to go out and hunt it down and kill it for them! Also one more statistic for you gun owners outnumber hunters by a 5 to 1 margin. Just goes to show you that there are way to many guns out there, even if they only had one gun that's over 62 million of them.

The population of the United States in the last census was 314 million. The number of people who are hunters in the United States in 2012, which is the last year that statistics are available: 12.5 million of which only 10.7 hunt for big game. This is only 7% of the total population. The average cost of hunting the "big game" by hunters is $2,000 per year, so they would probably be better off going to the store and buying their meat there, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER! Further, the number one miss spelled word on internet searches each month is "huting" when they mean hunting, so this is further proof we aren't dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Yes, those in rural settings, since you said that I'm only looking at what is happening in cities. How many people in NY city are hunting for their food? How many in Long Island? The Bronx? Syracuse? Buffalo? Philadelphia ? Pittsburg? Newark?

I don't think "small town" is rural... Upstate NY is popular for fishing and deers hunting. nom nom nom. Pennsylvania... lotta hunters! West Maryland.... lotta hunters and this Maryland guy welcomed me into his home. my oh my... I've never seen so many shotguns in one home. He has 2? or 3 sons and they all hunt. I think there are over 200 shotguns and he offered me a single-bore shotgun which I kindly declined because I didn't want to deal with paperwork in NJ for transferring firearm.

 

[Jiro]

And you have to look at the constitution as it was written and the time it was written. Yes, maybe we need to revisit the 2nd amendment like we did with the 21st and make some changes that make sense in the time we are now living. I'm not talking banning your precious guns, just outlawing the ones that can kill hundreds in a matter of minutes. But this is not about banning guns it's about the absurdity of teaching a 7 or 9 year old to shoot a gun or a machine gun.

maybe you need to revisit the history as it shows that even in 21st century... things are happening all over again when a country disarms citizens.

the absurdity is the government using armored tanks and war weapons on unarmed citizens. that's what will happen if you change the Constitution. The founding fathers knew it very well that it will and can happen at any time and pray that the future generations won't change it.

 

[seb]

right. the numbers don't lie but your calculation and your assumption are incorrect.

I have one neighbor that goes hunting and I know they buy most of the meat they eat at Safeway because I 've seen them buying it there. The numbers are small in the US, even for rural americans, sorry to burst your bubble of your vision on all americans grabbing their gun and going out to shoot and kill dinner, but it doesn't happen at least not anymore. You need to start reading books that were written in at least the 20th century.

 

[Jiro]

btw - outlawing the ones that can kill hundreds in a matter of minutes? huh what? how? since when did that ever happen? that sounds like a machine gun.

are you aware that the only people in America who can do that and have machine guns that can kill hundreds in a matter of minutes are the American government and law enforcement agencies?

for Joe the Plumber and Larry the Cableguy - it's illegal to own a fully-automatic weapon and machine gun, you know that?

 

[Jiro]

I have one neighbor that goes hunting and I know they buy most of the meat they eat at Safeway because I 've seen them buying it there. The numbers are small in the US, even for rural americans, sorry to burst your bubble of your vision on all americans grabbing their gun and going out to shoot and kill dinner, but it doesn't happen at least not anymore. You need to start reading books that were written in at least the 20th century.

like what?