Girl accidentally kills firing range instructor

[Jiro]

Dude, the numbers don't lie, only 12.5 million in the US hunt and of the 12.5 million only 10.7 million hunt big game. So these 12.7 million must be shooting a lot of big game to feed most of the 314 million in the US as you claim. Try going into a grocery store I 'm sure you will see people at the meat counter. I have over 40 relatives in various parts of Upstate NY and I also have relatives who live in Ohio and not one of them that I know of hunts, so they must be getting their meat someplace. Maybe they are paying their neighbor to go out and hunt it down and kill it for them!

right. the numbers don't lie but your calculation and your assumption are incorrect.

 

[seb]

Better hope the intruder is hearing then….

If there not, than that's what the shotgun is loaded for. At least if you miss you aren't going to shoot your neighbor next door or across the street.

 

[Jiro]

And this justifies teaching a child to shoot a gun? All it proves is what I've been saying all along, put a gun in a childs hand and they can or will kill someone.

that would be incorrect.

how would a child knows how to operate a gun? he'd have to be trained and indoctrinated to kill people. that's what Kony did.

 

[seb]

So .. we should ban same sex marriage since Homosexuality only affects 2% of the population?

that's some pretty sound logic there.

(did I speel homersecksuality right?)

This only proves that we are dealing with people who lack common sense. What does same sex marriage have to do with teaching a child to shoot a gun? Yeh, it does sound like your logic is not there, it probably is where ever you left your common sense.

 

[seb]

This made me chuckle. Not sure if true though.

Here is a link.
Hunting Statistics | Statistic Brain

 

[seb]

Isn't 15 still a child?

Not all people who fought for the Viet Cong were legally enlisted soldiers.

However, I don't see how that relates to American Second Amendment rights.

Yes, but they aren't 7 or 9. Once again would you let a 7 year old drive the family car? and it has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment I was just responding to Diehardbikers post. I didn't understand how it applied either.

 

[Jiro]

Yes, but they aren't 7 or 9. Once again would you let a 7 year old drive the family car?

you do realize that there is a kid-version firearm? there's a kid-version car aka "go-cart"....

 

[seb]

You are talking about the NVA. The VC "recruited" kids and women to kill.

No I looked up vietcong and NVA specifically, according to what I read they had no soldiers younger than 15.

 

[Jiro]

No I looked up vietcong and NVA specifically, according to what I read they had no soldiers younger than 15.

best source to find out is to ask a Vietnam Vet. first thing you need to learn is that what you read does not always match up with the reality.

 

[seb]

Since you read all the NRA "jargon", I guess you missed the 8-10 short stories printed each month where a person with a gun (homeowner or CCW) stops a crime happening or about to. As a NRA life member, I use the NRA for gun and ammo reviews, hunting techniques. I rarely read the commentaries.

The people named above are few and far between. They make great press stories. People who stop crime rarely are mentioned. "If it bleeds, it leads!"

Btw: my AR-15 is a target rifle. Not an assault rifle. There is a difference, my ammo does not fit in a military rifle or vice-versa. It does not have a full-auto machine gun option. My shotgun does not hold more than 2 shells (one for each barrel). It will not scare any intruder ahead of time nor will it scare many orange clay flying through the air. Our CCW semi-auto pistols are equipped with ammo that will not go through the house if you miss the intruder. There are tens of thousands of responsible gun owners who are NRA members. There are tens of thousands of responsible gun owners who are not members of anything. I get the feeling that you want to "label" all of us the same for your own agenda, for whatever goal that may be.

Your answer is to get a different shotgun, they make them that hold more than two shells, I know I've seen them. With that you aren't going to kill anyone outside your house.

 

[seb]

right. the numbers don't lie but your calculation and your assumption are incorrect.

And explain how my calculation and assumption is incorrect? I didn't do any calculations or make any assumptions, I just gave you the number of people hunting in 2012, which are the last year they are available. I do think you need to go to the grocery store and see that they sell meat there, even in rural ones. I know Ive been in them and it is sold there. You are painting a picture of all rural americans being like Jed Clampett or Daniel Boone. I'll bet you stop and pick up roadside kills too! I mean doesn't everyone in rural america do that?

 

[Jiro]

And explain how my calculation and assumption is incorrect? I didn't do any calculations or make any assumptions, I just gave you the number of people hunting in 2012, which are the last year they are available.

yes you did. you calculated and assumed that only 7% hunted.

I do think you need to go to the grocery store and see that they sell meat there, even in rural ones. I know Ive been in them and it is sold there. You are painting a picture of all rural americans being like Jed Clampett or Daniel Boone. I'll bet you stop and pick up roadside kills too! I mean doesn't everyone in rural america do that?

rural Americans?

 

[Steinhauer]

Not necessarily. There are plenty of Democrats who support the Second Amendment and are against bans. There are also Republicans who are conservative in most areas but will support gun control for whatever reasons (it can be very personal).

As far as a party platform, gun control is more of a Democrat issue but that's not the same as every Democrat voter being for gun control.


I'm a right-wing conservative independent, not an NRA member (I'm a life member of another Second Amendment organization), married to an NRA life member.

The progressive liberals within the Democratic Party are not affiliated with the conservatives within the Democratic party. They are the political groups attempting to diminish/water down/strip away the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Steinhauer]

Your answer is to get a different shotgun, they make them that hold more than two shells, I know I've seen them. With that you aren't going to kill anyone outside your house.

Wow! You sound really knowledgeable in this area. I did not know there were shotguns that could hold more than two shells. You have absolutely got to be kidding me.

You say you have even seen them. Where? This I must know .. I am absolutely dying to know the answer.

Thanks in advance.

(p.s. I think I may have at one time, seen a gun that can actually hold water!!! Can you believe that?!! its even called the super soaker .. wow .. just totally wild, I know, I know!!)

 

[a l i v e]

Your answer is to get a different shotgun, they make them that hold more than two shells, I know I've seen them. With that you aren't going to kill anyone outside your house.

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[Steinhauer]

This only proves that we are dealing with people who lack common sense. What does same sex marriage have to do with teaching a child to shoot a gun? Yeh, it does sound like your logic is not there, it probably is where ever you left your common sense.

Ok, you might not have been able to see it clearly the first time, but I do carry the needle that is bursting your ego balloon every time.

What does same sex marriage bans have to do with banning guns? They are both ... bans - correct? A certain percentage of the population would be adversely affected by these bans ... correct?

In your version of facts, you feel that a total and outright ban of firearms should take effect since, in your own words, 7% of the population hunts for their own food.

It is a ban of something for a certain segment of the population you feel do not need to hunt for food since there is a Safeway and other grocery stores they can shop at to get their meat.

It is something you are taking away from that segment of the population because you feel firearms to be immoral wicked little things that run around and kill little babies while in their sleep. They also run amok through inner cities and rob liquor stores and shoot people at random. They ... should .. not .. exist. People ... should .. not .. have .. them. They are vile and wicked. They must be destroyed.

So, now, we have another segment of the population, and yet another "right". Do I need to carry this argument further, or are you beginning to see the connection? the difference is, one of these is a Constitutional right, whereas, the other is not.

 

[Reba]

If there not than that's what the shotgun is loaded for. At least if you miss you aren't going to shoot your neighbor next door or across the street.

It doesn't have to be a pump shotgun to do that.

 

[Reba]

Dude, the numbers don't lie, only 12.5 million in the US hunt and of the 12.5 million only 10.7 million hunt big game. So these 12.7 million must be shooting a lot of big game to feed most of the 314 million in the US as you claim. Try going into a grocery store I 'm sure you will see people at the meat counter. I have over 40 relatives in various parts of Upstate NY and I also have relatives who live in Ohio and not one of them that I know of hunts, so they must be getting their meat someplace. Maybe they are paying their neighbor to go out and hunt it down and kill it for them!

So, not everyone hunts big game in America. Some people do.

Also one more statistic for you gun owners outnumber hunters by a 5 to 1 margin. Just goes to show you that there are way to many guns out there, even if they only had one gun that's over 62 million of them.

I don't get your conclusion, at all. Second Amendment gun rights have nothing to do with hunting, so what does it matter if gun owners outnumber hunters? How do those numbers prove "that there are way to[o] many guns out there"? There is no correlation.

 

[Reba]

Yes, but they aren't 7 or 9. Once again would you let a 7 year old drive the family car? and it has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment I was just responding to Diehardbikers post. I didn't understand how it applied either.

No, I wouldn't let a 7-year-old drive my family car. I'm responsible for my own car.

I also wouldn't let my 7-year-old child join a guerrilla army, officially or otherwise.

As a parent, there's a lot of things I wouldn't allow my child to do. That's what parents are for.

 

[Reba]

you do realize that there is a kid-version firearm? there's a kid-version car aka "go-cart"....

Rossi makes some nice ones. I have the youth-size Rossi convertible combo shotgun/rifle. (Some adults are small-frame people, too.)