Girl accidentally kills firing range instructor

[ambrosia]

I actually didn't put any words in your mouth at all. If you "don't know", allow me to fill in the gaps. The "facts" are not putting a group of people "in a box" - they are facts - not stereotypes.

There are no Republican politicians pushing for gun confiscations or gun bans on AR 15s.

So ... what does that tell you?

Whenever you say "so you're telling me"-or anything like that- you are putting words in someone's mouth.

What that means is SOME liberals are pushing for gun bans.

Not every single republicans owns a gun, and there are liberal gun owners. People don't fit in boxes that neatly.

 

[seb]

Whenever you say "so you're telling me"-or anything like that- you are putting words in someone's mouth.

What that means is SOME liberals are pushing for gun bans.

Not every single republicans owns a gun, and there are liberal gun owners. People don't fit in boxes that neatly.

Liberals aren't pushing for a ban on guns, just a ban on guns that have no place outside of a war zone. The will let you keep your precious hand guns, hunting rifles and shotguns, they just want to outlaw those guns that are basically automatic or semi automatic in nature. If you think you need one, go get some professional help because you are crazy!

 

[ambrosia]

Liberals aren't pushing for a ban on guns, just a ban on guns that have no place outside of a war zone. The will let you keep your precious hand guns, hunting rifles and shotguns, they just want to outlaw those guns that are basically automatic or semi automatic in nature. If you think you need one, go get some professional help because you are crazy!

Liberal-me right here-not giving a fig if they ban assault weapons.

I think the logical behind banning them is stupid, and accomplish what they think it will.

I think it's stupid to claim an assault weapons ban would violate the 2nd ammendment. You could still go buy a hand gun, shot gun or rifle, you could still arm yourself. You also can't arm yourself with a bazooka but I don't see anybody crying about that.

Now, why I don't care. Well I already said why I think the pro is dumb. But I think if someone breaks into your house and you need 15 bullets to stop them you should put your gun down because you suck!!

Do it, don't do it, both sides on the issue are lame.

Oh! And I don't think it's "crazy" to want assault weapons, I think a lot of ot is the cool factor.

 

[seb]

He's not saying all life time members of the NRA are snaggle toothed and live in the boonies, he's talking specifically about the ones from the boonies, the hill billies, and yes for the most part they're pretty snaggle toothed and generally uneducated. So if you don't qualify as a cast member for Deliverance calm down he's not talking about you.


I don't feel like going back and finding the post to quote it but I want to touch in this......children cannot comprehend the while gun safety thing. You are giving children very little credit, have you ever been around kids? They're not stupid. Gun Safety isn't like abstract thinking, it's pretty straightforward and easily learned.

Stein is doing his own stereotyping. I'm liberal, and I have no problem with guns. See I do my own thinking, I don't "toe the party line" and just agree with everything my party says and does. I'm not the only one either.

Growing up I had a friend who went hunting with his father quiet often and knew about gun safety. However, one day I went to his house and when he opened the door he aimed the shotgun at me and pulled the trigger! It just had the fiber wadding in it, which actually caught part of my shirt on fire, but this action showed that he couldn't comprehend gun safety at his age which was 14 at the time.

A family friend who is a psychiatrist has always said he doesn't think children should have or be allowed to have guns until they are 15 or 16 at the earliest and he bases this argument on the fact that there reasoning ability doesn't really start to kick in until that time and isn't fully developed until they are 22 to 25 years old.

 

[seb]

Liberal-me right here-not giving a fig if they ban assault weapons.

I think the logical behind banning them is stupid, and accomplish what they think it will.

I think it's stupid to claim an assault weapons ban would violate the 2nd ammendment. You could still go buy a hand gun, shot gun or rifle, you could still arm yourself. You also can't arm yourself with a bazooka but I don't see anybody crying about that.

Now, why I don't care. Well I already said why I think the pro is dumb. But I think if someone breaks into your house and you need 15 bullets to stop them you should put your gun down because you suck!!

Do it, don't do it, both sides on the issue are lame.

As I said earlier if your looking for protection inside your home, get a pump shotgun. The sound of you loading the round will probably be enough to scare the intruder away and if it's not the first shot will probably be enough to kill him and you won't miss like you probably would with a hand gun or other guns. You won't kill your neighbor either with the missed shots!

 

[Steinhauer]

Whenever you say "so you're telling me"-or anything like that- you are putting words in someone's mouth.

What that means is SOME liberals are pushing for gun bans.

Not every single republicans owns a gun, and there are liberal gun owners. People don't fit in boxes that neatly.

When someone is pushing for gun control, I am not assuming they are Republican. I assume they are progressive liberal democrats - because that is where the push is coming from for gun control. It isn't stereotyping when those are the facts.

And ... If someone breaks into my home, they will either be shot by my AR 15, 870 shotgun, .40, 7.62x54r, 7mm Rem Mag or whatever is closest. Yes, I am a right wing conservative republican "gun nut" NRA member that actually knows my guns.

 

[seb]

you missed the point.

those children in Uganda were able to handle automatic weapons just fine.

Do you have any proof to back up you claim? Other than seeing pictures of these poor kids holding a gun?

 

[Reba]

Liberals aren't pushing for a ban on guns, just a ban on guns that have no place outside of a war zone. The will let you keep your precious hand guns, hunting rifles and shotguns, they just want to outlaw those guns that are basically automatic or semi automatic in nature. If you think you need one, go get some professional help because you are crazy!

Whether or not they are "liberals" who are promoting gun bans isn't important. There are people from both sides of the political fence who are on both sides of the debate, not dependent on their respective political parties.

As far as Second Amendment rights, there is no differentiation as to what model guns are protected. If push comes to shove in defending this nation, it's exactly the "assault" guns that you do want to have.

If you don't want to own a gun, or let your children use guns, that's fine. No one will force you to. I totally understand that not everyone wants guns in their homes, and I'm fine with that. Just don't make those choices for my family, thank you.

 

[Reba]

As I said earlier if your looking for protection inside your home, get a pump shotgun. The sound of you loading the round will probably be enough to scare the intruder away….

Better hope the intruder is hearing then….

 

[Steinhauer]

If I am standing in the kitchen, I am just going to grab plates and chuck them like frisbees at the intruder's head ...

 

[seb]

sounds like you're one of those city slickers traveling around superficially because you found some slick deal from groupon and brag to people with your selfie shots next to some landmarks and bisons.


that is strange... very strange.... how is it that you and I have come up with completely different observations? I live in NJ - right next to NYC where people are irrationally afraid of guns and I have many friends in several states in this region who do hunt for food and store them. buying meat at grocery and paying for it is a foreign concept to them. they gave me some deer meat and it's quite good. better than store-bought which is full of chewy fat.

where I vacation at.... a "supermarket" is pretty far and a local grocery doesn't sell meat. so I don't know exactly where you "vacationed" at but my money's on touristy places with A/C, internet, and 4-stars hotels.[/QUOTE


The population of the United States in the last census was 314 million. The number of people who are hunters in the United States in 2012, which is the last year that statistics are available: 12.5 million of which only 10.7 hunt for big game. This is only 7% of the total population. The average cost of hunting the "big game" by hunters is $2,000 per year, so they would probably be better off going to the store and buying their meat there, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER! Further, the number one miss spelled word on internet searches each month is "huting" when they mean hunting, so this is further proof we aren't dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer.

 

[Steinhauer]

Whether or not they are "liberals" who are promoting gun bans isn't important. There are people from both sides of the political fence who are on both sides of the debate, not dependent on their respective political parties.

As far as Second Amendment rights, there is no differentiation as to what model guns are protected. If push comes to shove in defending this nation, it's exactly the "assault" guns that you do want to have.

If you don't want to own a gun, or let your children use guns, that's fine. No one will force you to. I totally understand that not everyone wants guns in their homes, and I'm fine with that. Just don't make those choices for my family, thank you.

That was the point I was making Reba. No one is forcing anyone to own guns. The only people who are wanting to use "force" are those (and yes, they are politically affiliated) groups attempting to ban them.

 

[Steinhauer]

sounds like you're one of those city slickers traveling around superficially because you found some slick deal from groupon and brag to people with your selfie shots next to some landmarks and bisons.


that is strange... very strange.... how is it that you and I have come up with completely different observations? I live in NJ - right next to NYC where people are irrationally afraid of guns and I have many friends in several states in this region who do hunt for food and store them. buying meat at grocery and paying for it is a foreign concept to them. they gave me some deer meat and it's quite good. better than store-bought which is full of chewy fat.

where I vacation at.... a "supermarket" is pretty far and a local grocery doesn't sell meat. so I don't know exactly where you "vacationed" at but my money's on touristy places with A/C, internet, and 4-stars hotels.[/QUOTE


The population of the United States in the last census was 314 million. The number of people who are hunters in the United States in 2012, which is the last year that statistics are available: 12.5 million of which only 10.7 hunt for big game. This is only 7% of the total population. The average cost of hunting the "big game" by hunters is $2,000 per year, so they would probably be better off going to the store and buying their meat there, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER! Further, the number one miss spelled word on internet searches each month is "huting" when they mean hunting, so this is further proof we aren't dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer.

So .. we should ban same sex marriage since Homosexuality only affects 2% of the population?

that's some pretty sound logic there.

(did I speel homersecksuality right?)

 

[Reba]

When someone is pushing for gun control, I am not assuming they are Republican. I assume they are progressive liberal democrats - because that is where the push is coming from for gun control. It isn't stereotyping when those are the facts.

Not necessarily. There are plenty of Democrats who support the Second Amendment and are against bans. There are also Republicans who are conservative in most areas but will support gun control for whatever reasons (it can be very personal).

As far as a party platform, gun control is more of a Democrat issue but that's not the same as every Democrat voter being for gun control.

And ... If someone breaks into my home, they will either be shot by my AR 15, 870 shotgun, .40, 7.62x54r, 7mm Rem Mag or whatever is closest. Yes, I am a right wing conservative republican "gun nut" NRA member that actually knows my guns.

I'm a right-wing conservative independent, not an NRA member (I'm a life member of another Second Amendment organization), married to an NRA life member.

 

[seb]

Funny though, I trust them inner city impoverished people much more than the dangle-toothed lifetime NRA member cardholder up in the boonies who will do anything to defend their "God given rights". The inner city people don't give a f what you do as long as you mind your own business.

I'm with you! Nothing worse than dealing with any NRA member who uses the NRA jargon to justify his thoughts and beliefs of his right to bear arms. The NRA seems to elect people into the head of the organization that aren't all there: Charlton Heston (who had Alzheimer's early stages) when he was put in charge and Wayne LaPeirre who is himself a half bubble off plumb. I am not anti gun, just anti semi automatic and machine gun and think that age limits should be put in place limiting the age you can start learning to shot a gun.

 

[diehardbiker]

Oh yes, it happened. Why do you think these Vietnam war veterans had to kill kids? Better hit up on history book. Most rebels don't give a damn who they are, they don't discriminate anyone.

For these kinds of facts, don't ask for fact, you can GOOGLE up yourself and see for yourself.

Do you have any proof to back up you claim? Other than seeing pictures of these poor kids holding a gun?

 

[Reba]

I'm with you! Nothing worse than dealing with any NRA member who uses the NRA jargon to justify his thoughts and beliefs of his right to bear arms.

What "NRA jargon" exactly are you having a problem with? The jargon of the Second Amendment?

The NRA seems to elect people into the head of the organization that aren't all there: Charlton Heston (who had Alzheimer's early stages) when he was put in charge and Wayne LaPeirre who is himself a half bubble off plumb.

Does making personal attacks substitute for logical debate?

I am not anti gun, just anti semi automatic and machine gun and think that age limits should be put in place limiting the age you can start learning to shot a gun.

So, you are against citizens making their own gun choices, and parents making their own decisions about child rearing?

 

[a l i v e]

The population of the United States in the last census was 314 million. The number of people who are hunters in the United States in 2012, which is the last year that statistics are available: 12.5 million of which only 10.7 hunt for big game. This is only 7% of the total population. The average cost of hunting the "big game" by hunters is $2,000 per year, so they would probably be better off going to the store and buying their meat there, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER! Further, the number one miss spelled word on internet searches each month is "huting" when they mean hunting, so this is further proof we aren't dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer.

This made me chuckle. Not sure if true though.

 

[a l i v e]

When someone is pushing for gun control, I am not assuming they are Republican. I assume they are progressive liberal democrats - because that is where the push is coming from for gun control. It isn't stereotyping when those are the facts.

And ... If someone breaks into my home, they will either be shot by my AR 15, 870 shotgun, .40, 7.62x54r, 7mm Rem Mag or whatever is closest. Yes, I am a right wing conservative republican "gun nut" NRA member that actually knows my guns.

And wind up like Zimmerman, Wafter, Pistorius, et al.? Not a fun thought.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

When someone is pushing for gun control, I am not assuming they are Republican. I assume they are progressive liberal democrats - because that is where the push is coming from for gun control. It isn't stereotyping when those are the facts.

And ... If someone breaks into my home, they will either be shot by my AR 15, 870 shotgun, .40, 7.62x54r, 7mm Rem Mag or whatever is closest. Yes, I am a right wing conservative republican "gun nut" NRA member that actually knows my guns.

Wrong this is not a fact . I am a democrat and I am not trying to push for gun control , I am trying to push for common sense which was not used when this shooting instructor was killed. I feel gun control is not the answer, there just be more illegal guns brought into the country . I am sure the drug lords would love to see a ban on guns here this would be another whole new market for them.