French police report shootout and explosion in Paris

Foxrac said:
We are discussing about constitutionality of proposed bill that allow Christians but exclude others.

Most governors are denying all refugees that come from Syria only, also they know that terrorists can disguise as Christian.

There is no way to know whichever terrorists are disguise as Christian - that's nearly impossible so that why they deny to all of them.
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I was just curious what your ideas were on how they would "disguise" themselves as Christians.

I'm also curious if that's allowed in their sect of Islam. That is, is a Muslim allowed to say, "I renounce the false religion of Allah, Mohammed was not a prophet, and Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is my personal Savior" without repercussions from other Muslims? :dunno:
 
Showed these illegal mosques that these terrorist used syringes cocaine makes it even worse if that possible..
Saw 2graves one had about sixty old ladies all murdered because not Muslim or good sex slaves the other 40 young women all sexually abused then murdered.i believe they decapitated.They were not Christians or Jewish I think zorans not sure how it spelt but same religioun as Freddie Mercury .
Watching French England football these poor men do not want to be here they said president insisted it hard call..they had no sleep still in shock one player cousin was victim.They getting massive surport.
 
Reba said:
I was just curious what your ideas were on how they would "disguise" themselves as Christians.

I'm also curious if that's allowed in their sect of Islam. That is, is a Muslim allowed to say, "I renounce the false religion of Allah, Mohammed was not a prophet, and Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is my personal Savior" without repercussions from other Muslims? :dunno:
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Nice haircut, clean shaven (or short beard) and regular clothes - dress like western, also Christians and moderate/liberal Muslims wear same fashion.

ISIS doesn't care about Islam and they want to terrorizing westerners and anyone, including Muslims who object to Jihad, that all they care. When ISIS plotted the attack - they make their attackers as more westerners with false identity, including religion and send to Europe or US as refugee. 3 months later, the attack goes erupt and we get other tragic news.

Refugees from Middle East, North Africa and West Asia countries are very high risk so we are better off to accept refugees from North Korea over Syria.

Edit: I lived in university house with 80% Muslim students and discussed with them - they said ISIS and Al Qaeda aren't true Islam and they said that Islam condemn the violence. ISIS and Al Qaeda want to destabilizing and destroying the Islam like extremist Christians did to Christianity.
 
The genocide isn't new and there are many genocides on the earth like Nazi, Sudan, Turkey (they did to Armenia), China (executed many Chinese who are anti-communist, pro-capitalist), North Korea (anti-government) and Christians/Jewish in Muslim countries. Iran executed a lot of moderate/liberal Muslims, Jewish and Christians during 1979 revolution.

If we hadn't invade Iraq at first place so it would minimize the risk to developing extreme Islamist groups like ISIS so we wouldn't responsible if ISIS created if we hadn't invade Iraq.

We know that overthrowing of dictatorship or monarchy in Muslim countries leading to long term of unstable and endless terror against people.

I believe that Christianity is likely to be extinct in Middle East countries, exception of Israel and Lebanon, but Lebanon is on high risk for ISIS to invade due to weak government, that's true if Assad and moderate rebels are defeated.
 
Foxrac said:
The genocide isn't new and there are many genocides on the earth like Nazi, Sudan, Turkey (they did to Armenia), China (executed many Chinese who are anti-communist, pro-capitalist), North Korea (anti-government) and Christians/Jewish in Muslim countries. Iran executed a lot of moderate/liberal Muslims, Jewish and Christians during 1979 revolution.
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Those are past. This is happening now, and will continue to happen if it isn't stopped. We can't change the past but we can do something about the present and future.

If we hadn't invade Iraq at first place so it would minimize the risk to developing extreme Islamist groups like ISIS so we wouldn't responsible if ISIS created if we hadn't invade Iraq.
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Maybe, maybe not. The hatred in the hearts of the Islamist groups didn't just pop in there on the day Iraq was invaded.

We know that overthrowing of dictatorship or monarchy in Muslim countries leading to long term of unstable and endless terror against people.
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Yet, not everyone in these countries has become a terrorist. Also, some terrorists come from stable countries. Evil is not just a government thing.

I believe that Christianity is likely to be extinct in Middle East countries, exception of Israel and Lebanon, but Lebanon is on high risk for ISIS to invade due to weak government, that's true if Assad and moderate rebels are defeated.
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Contrary to what one would expect, Christianity is more likely to spread and grow in times of opposition. The Christian population may shift around but it never disappears.
 
AlleyCat said:
Oh my ...
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There have been Christian martyrs down thru ages, since the first Christian generation.

". . . others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth…."

It hasn't changed much. :(
 
Reba said:
Those are past. This is happening now, and will continue to happen if it isn't stopped. We can't change the past but we can do something about the present and future.


Maybe, maybe not. The hatred in the hearts of the Islamist groups didn't just pop in there on the day Iraq was invaded.


Yet, not everyone in these countries has become a terrorist. Also, some terrorists come from stable countries. Evil is not just a government thing.


Contrary to what one would expect, Christianity is more likely to spread and grow in times of opposition. The Christian population may shift around but it never disappears.
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It is nearly impossible to eradicate ISIS without nuclear weapon (Fat Man).

What happen if we nuke ISIS territories? getting better or getting worse?
 
Reba said:
There have been Christian martyrs down thru ages, since the first Christian generation.



". . . others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth…."



It hasn't changed much. :(
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Unfortunately, I believe that.

And unfortunately, those are probably not even the worst photos or videos.
 
Reba said:
There have been Christian martyrs down thru ages, since the first Christian generation.

". . . others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth…."

It hasn't changed much. :(
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There were a lot of dead Muslim people during Holy War in Middle Age era.

Neither Christians nor Muslims are innocent.

There are Muslims that are victim of hate crime (Islamophobia) in US and Europe - same goes with Christianophobia in Muslim countries.

I'm making fair about Islam and Christianity since some of you taking pro-Christian stance and denied that Muslims are victim.
 
Foxrac said:
It is nearly impossible to eradicate ISIS without nuclear weapon (Fat Man).
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No, no nukes!

The members of ISIS are not located in one isolated place. A nuclear attack won't solve anything. ISIS (and similar terror organizations) members, supporters and wannabes are all over the world.

What happen if we nuke ISIS territories? getting better or getting worse?
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Worse. If the US used a nuclear weapon to attack anywhere we would become the most hated country in the world, and we would be opening the door to every other nuke-holding country to do the same. It would be for nothing because it can't get rid of every Muslim extremist in every country.

This is not like WWII where the enemy was easier to identify and track.

If you have termites in your house, do you blow up the house to get rid of them? No. You get a termite-detecting dog to sniff them out, and send in the exterminator to directly kill just the termites.
 
Reba said:
No, no nukes!

The members of ISIS are not located in one isolated place. A nuclear attack won't solve anything. ISIS (and similar terror organizations) members, supporters and wannabes are all over the world.


Worse. If the US used a nuclear weapon to attack anywhere we would become the most hated country in the world, and we would be opening the door to every other nuke-holding country to do the same. It would be for nothing because it can't get rid of every Muslim extremist in every country.

This is not like WWII where the enemy was easier to identify and track.

If you have termites in your house, do you blow up the house to get rid of them? No. You get a termite-detecting dog to sniff them out, and send in the exterminator to directly kill just the termites.
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Oh wow, we are stuck with endless war forever.

I want all problems in other countries to be out of our way and we want to focus on best interest for our citizens.

We had Al Qaeda, but now, ISIS is newest terrorist organization, not again.
 
Foxrac said:
There were a lot of dead Muslim people during Holy War in Middle Age era.

Neither Christians nor Muslims are innocent.

There are Muslims that are victim of hate crime (Islamophobia) in US and Europe - same goes with Christianophobia in Muslim countries.

I'm making fair about Islam and Christianity since some of you taking pro-Christian stance and denied that Muslims are victim.
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We are living in today's world. We are responsible for what we do now. In today's battle, the Christians (and others) are the victims and the extremist Muslims are the terrorists.

Who did the killing Friday in Paris? Who were the victims?

Exactly.

I haven't denied that Muslims who oppose the Islamists are also victims of the Islamists. But you can't deny that the "infidels" (non-Muslims) are the main target of the Islamists.
 
Foxrac said:
Oh wow, we are stuck with endless war forever.

I want all problems in other countries to be out of our way and we want to focus on best interest for our citizens.

We had Al Qaeda, but now, ISIS is newest terrorist organization, not again.
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The organizations just change names but it's the same old story.
 
Reba said:
We are living in today's world. We are responsible for what we do now. In today's battle, the Christians (and others) are the victims and the extremist Muslims are the terrorists.

Who did the killing Friday in Paris? Who were the victims?

Exactly.

I haven't denied that Muslims who oppose the Islamists are also victims of the Islamists. But you can't deny that the "infidels" (non-Muslims) are the main target of the Islamists.
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Yes, but Europe has a lot of nonbelievers and Christianity in Europe usually preserves the history, culture and traditions like Christmas but majority of people are life in secularism, beside special occasions.

Speaking about Paris, of course, ISIS is responsible for attack and they are obviously extremist Islamist. ISIS hate everyone, except if you are strictly Jihadist. Most victims, if not all are non-Jihadist, such as Christians, mainline Muslims, atheists, other religions.

That's okay, I have indifferent attitude (not very gracious) about Christians and Muslims because they are promoting the hate and violence, I'm not talking about you or other ADers. If you have logic so you will understand about what I means. I'm unable to explain more because I don't want to derail this thread into hot religious topic. The hate and violence hurt the value of religion.
 
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