French police report shootout and explosion in Paris

[Reba]

I aware about Christians had serious issue with Syria and Iraq, but there is legal issue.

You cannot exclude Muslims and only allow Christians, what about atheists, nonbelievers, Jewish and buddhist? The atheists and nonbelievers facing worst experience in Middle East and they are death to ISIS. I don't believe that law will going pass - you have choice - accept all refugees, regardless on religion or deny all refugees. Welcome Christians but deny other religions are religious discrimination.

What law? Please show me a law that states the USA must accept every refugee there is into our country.

I'm not suggesting others would all be excluded. I'm suggesting that the less potentially dangerous ones be allowed in. So far, none of the Islamist terrorists have been Christians, atheists, Jewish or Buddhist, so let them in. (Are there numbers of persecuted refugees from all those groups?)

Refugees could lie about their religion and they probably not questioned about religion until they arrive on US soil for screening. I don't believe that government has business to questioning about their religion. GWB accepted many refugees during Iraq War - most of them are Muslim.

They need to be screened before they get on the plane.

Christians would rather die than deny their faith or lie to call themselves Muslim. Do you think Muslims would deny their faith and claim to be infidels? If a Christian questioned a Muslim about his conversion experience and Christian faith, do you think a Muslim could make up a convincing testimony? Would the Christians of that community or group support a Muslim who lies about his faith? Just asking--I don't know. It would seem to me that it would be difficult for a faithful Muslim to lie about such a repugnant thing as being a Christian.

Most Muslim countries aren't safe for moderate to liberal Muslims and they don't have resource to welcome them as refugee so they turn them to Europe or America. ISIS has strong presence in Middle East - that's not safe for moderate to liberal Muslims.

Why don't the moderate to liberal (as you call them) Muslims fight the radical Muslims so that they can keep their country and not become refugees? If they are the majority, they should be able to do this.

For me, I prefer to deny all of refugees and we have a lot of illegal immigrants so there aren't enough jobs or resources for them. I said that's enough, enough.

So, you don't want any more immigrants, legal or illegal, from any country, any where? Is that correct?

Edit: I'm fine with the refugee camps in Middle East to housing Christians and patrolled by troops until crisis resolves.

OK. How long do you think that will be?

 

[Jiro]

Why don't the moderate to liberal (as you call them) Muslims fight the radical Muslims so that they can keep their country and not become refugees? If they are the majority, they should be able to do this.

because some countries are funding, arming, and training those then-radical Muslims. we need to stop doing that.

to keep their country safe from becoming a victim... they'll need an army and stability. we need to stop with "bomb first, ask later" mentality because doing so would destroy the infrastructure and economy... it's chaos. these are fragile poor countries. a huge portion of terrorist armies comprise of poor people needing money to feed their families.

 

[Reba]

http://www.joemygod.com/2015/11/16/crazystevenanderson/

Oh wow, that's disgusting.

Yes, it is.

 

[Foxrac]

What law? Please show me a law that states the USA must accept every refugee there is into our country.

I'm not suggesting others would all be excluded. I'm suggesting that the less potentially dangerous ones be allowed in. So far, none of the Islamist terrorists have been Christians, atheists, Jewish or Buddhist, so let them in. (Are there numbers of persecuted refugees from all those groups?)


They need to be screened before they get on the plane.

Christians would rather die than deny their faith or lie to call themselves Muslim. Do you think Muslims would deny their faith and claim to be infidels? If a Christian questioned a Muslim about his conversion experience and Christian faith, do you think a Muslim could make up a convincing testimony? Would the Christians of that community or group support a Muslim who lies about his faith? Just asking--I don't know. It would seem to me that it would be difficult for a faithful Muslim to lie about such a repugnant thing as being a Christian.


Why don't the moderate to liberal (as you call them) Muslims fight the radical Muslims so that they can keep their country and not become refugees? If they are the majority, they should be able to do this.


So, you don't want any more immigrants, legal or illegal, from any country, any where? Is that correct?


OK. How long do you think that will be?

1) Civil Rights Act of 1964 (you cannot pick refugee's religion to determine if they are admitted in so we must accept all of them and screened out for any affiliated with terrorist organization, not their religion). If you restrict to Christians and deny others - that's religious discrimination and organizations will happily to sue in court to force government to accept all or deny all.

2) Any religion could have affiliated with terrorist organization, but Islamist terrorists are exclusively Muslim, but Muslims are divided into different categories - extremist, conservative, moderate, liberal. Iran and Saudi Arabia are example for most conservative Muslims - strict sharia laws. The moderate and liberal Muslims usually have some to no sharia law - usually in civil cases, not criminal.

3) I thought that refugees are usually done by commercial shipping - they stop in New Orleans.

4) They could migrate to Lebanon but it may not safe in Hezbollah territory. The Christians are minority in Middle East, but various crisis drove them out, especially ISIS. We don't have enough resource to find a home for them so other countries with plenty of housing like China has a lot of empty housing to house them. I'm getting tired of world that depends on us so we need to spread the refugees to different countries instead of limit to US and Europe.

5) Many moderate and liberal moderates don't have capacity to fighting and they are not fit for military - need a lot of training. ISIS have a lot of powerful weapons that could wipe them off so that why they fleeing to other countries for safety reason. Conservative Muslims are majority in most Middle East countries.

6) I'm fine with legal immigrants but I believe that quotas limit must be based on job availability after citizens secure the job. US citizens should have priority to get jobs first before immigrants and refugees. I don't want our citizens to depend on government welfare because can't find jobs so I want healthy citizens to be fully productive and I don't want unemployed citizens become criminal to collect money (like drug).

7) It is depends about availability in other countries, especially food and shelter. We need to increase more resource before anyone welcome them to new home in any countries.

Seriously, I want to buff up the government in various Muslim countries to treat Christians and other religions with full equality and they aren't deserved to be second citizen. Muslim government need to learn about growing of diversity and denounce all terrorist activities.

 

[Reba]

9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta went to Hamburg University to study urban planning.

Convicted al-Qaeda scientist Aafia Siddiqui is a Pakistani who studied microbiology at MIT and did graduate work in neurology at Brandeis.

Osama bin Laden did a summer-school stint at Oxford.

Christmas Day underwear-bomb operative Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab was an elite Nigerian engineering student who studied at one of Britain’s leading universities and “lived a gilded life.”

Jihadist Samantha Lewthwaite, the notorious “White Widow” British Muslim convert linked to last year’s Westgate-mall massacre in Nairobi, was the daughter of a soldier and a former University of London student.

British-born Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, a London School of Economics student, was convicted of abducting and murdering American journalist Daniel Pearl. Seven upper-middle-class jihadi doctors were implicated in the 2007 London–Glasgow bombings.

Al-Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri didn’t need more education or wealth to steer him away from Islamic imperialism. He had a medical degree. So did former Hamas biggie Abdel al-Rantissi.

Al-Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed attended Chowan College in Murfreesboro, N.C., and then transferred to North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University, where he earned his degree in mechanical engineering along with 30 other Muslims. Mohammed applied his Western learning to oversee the 1993 World Trade Center bombing plot (six Americans dead), the USS Cole attack (17 American soldiers dead), and the September 11 attacks (3,000 dead). He also has been linked to the 1998 African embassy bombings (212 dead, including 12 Americans), the plot to kill the pope, the murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl, and the Bali nightclub bomb blast that killed nearly 200 tourists, including two more Americans.

Osama bin Laden, of course, was dedicated to spending every last penny of his inherited Saudi fortune — estimated at between $50 million and $300 million — to wage war on the West. Al-Shabaab jihadists have amassed their own terror campaign chest through the illegal ivory trade.

Privileged jihad funders from Qatar and other Gulf states heap their petro-dollars on al-Qaeda. The Taliban raised $400 million in one year, according to a 2012 U.N. report, not just from opium, but largely from “donations, taxing local economies and extorting money from such targets as drug dealers, cellphone operators and aid projects.” Indeed, since 2006, “the Taliban have managed to finance an ever-increasing number of attacks, reflecting a year-on-year increase in income,” the U.N. report said.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368706/kerrys-poor-jihadist-myth-michelle-malkin

 

[Reba]

1) Civil Rights Act of 1964 (you cannot pick refugee's religion to determine if they are admitted in so we must accept all of them and screened out for any affiliated with terrorist organization, not their religion). If you restrict to Christians and deny others - that's religious discrimination and organizations will happily to sue in court to force government to accept all or deny all....

I think you better re-read that. Look at the Hart-Celler Act of 1965.

 

[Chevy57]

If they allow Christians only and exclude Muslims, that's religious discrimination.

The moderate Muslims are victim of ISIS and a lot of moderate Muslims got executed by ISIS, along with Christians.

Syrian Christians is 10%.

Obama wants to bring Syrian Christians to USA but not enough.

 

[Calvin]

 

[Foxrac]

I think you better re-read that. Look at the Hart-Celler Act of 1965.

I means 14th Amendment - constitutional issue.

Ted Cruz's bill to welcome Christians and exclude others are unconstitutional because it isn't equal to people with other religion, however it won't pass at all because they know that bill is pose for more lawsuits due to constitutional issue.

 

[Foxrac]

Syrian Christians is 10%.

Obama wants to bring Syrian Christians to USA but not enough.

Christians are only 10% in Syria, most of others are Muslim.

http://www.indexmundi.com/syria/demographics_profile.html

It means refugees will be majority Muslim.

 

[PowerON]

In light of the terrible attack in Paris and the reaction of politicians in the United States who now don't want to accept Syrian refugees, is any one else reminded of what we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. I remember my grandma refusing to be nice to a German War bride who moved across the street from us (with her husband). Grandpa explained that these women married G.I.'s so they could come to America. I couldn't understand this feeling since grandma own great-grandparents were immigrants from Germany. Does fear make us lose our moral compass?

 

[whatdidyousay!]

The problem is in sorting out the weak and needy from the wicked.

I am sure you remeber when Cuba send Cuban migrants here in the
80's a lot of the migrants were mentally ill or criminals . I don't want to see this happen again . I really don't think there is any foolproof way to sort out the weak and needy from the wicked. Someone weak and needy could be a very sneaky wicked person .

 

[Tousi]

In light of the terrible attack in Paris and the reaction of politicians in the United States who now don't want to accept Syrian refugees, is any one else reminded of what we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. I remember my grandma refusing to be nice to a German War bride who moved across the street from us (with her husband). Grandpa explained that these women married G.I.'s so they could come to America. I couldn't understand this feeling since grandma own great-grandparents were immigrants from Germany. Does fear make us lose our moral compass?

PowerON, who are you quoting, please......

 

[Reba]

I means 14th Amendment - constitutional issue.

I don't see how the 14th Amendment applies. Refugees aren't even citizens.

Ted Cruz's bill to welcome Christians and exclude others are unconstitutional because it isn't equal to people with other religion, however it won't pass at all because they know that bill is pose for more lawsuits due to constitutional issue.

I still don't see the constitutional issue. Our government has the right to discern which people are safe to allow entry and which ones are not. It also can determine which groups are in more imminent danger and need expedited political asylum.

That doesn't mean Muslim refugees can never come to the States. It simply means they may have to wait longer because it's going to be more difficult to do security checks on them.

 

[Reba]

I am sure you remeber when Cuba send Cuban migrants here in the
80's a lot of the migrants were mentally ill or criminals . I don't want to see this happen again . I really don't think there is any foolproof way to sort out the weak and needy from the wicked. Someone weak and needy could be a very sneaky wicked person .

Yes, that was the Mariel Boatlift of 1980. Castro pulled a fast one on Carter.

 

[Reba]

In light of the terrible attack in Paris and the reaction of politicians in the United States who now don't want to accept Syrian refugees, is any one else reminded of what we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. I remember my grandma refusing to be nice to a German War bride who moved across the street from us (with her husband). Grandpa explained that these women married G.I.'s so they could come to America. I couldn't understand this feeling since grandma own great-grandparents were immigrants from Germany. Does fear make us lose our moral compass?

Yes, I remember the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. It was a wrong way to treat our own citizens.

The Syrian refugees are not American citizens.

To be honest, I'm not sure that all the Syrian refugees really want to come to America. They want to escape the horror of what's happening in Syria but many of them never wanted to leave their home country. If it was safe, they would probably prefer to stay home.

Also, many of those who want to leave Syria would prefer to move to another Middle Eastern country but they can't get into those either. Some want to go to European countries but those doors are also closing. America is the last choice for many of them.

 

[Foxrac]

Syrian Christians is 10%.

Obama wants to bring Syrian Christians to USA but not enough.

I don't see how the 14th Amendment applies. Refugees aren't even citizens.


I still don't see the constitutional issue. Our government has the right to discern which people are safe to allow entry and which ones are not. It also can determine which groups are in more imminent danger and need expedited political asylum.

That doesn't mean Muslim refugees can never come to the States. It simply means they may have to wait longer because it's going to be more difficult to do security checks on them.

US Constitution still applies to citizens and non-citizens on US soil, also proposed law happens on US soil. Welcome Christians to admit but deny to others are compare to deny the marriage to same sex marriage.

Many Muslim countries aren't safe for Muslim refugees either, also Christians aren't terrorist free - they could attack the abortion clinics and that what domestic Christian terrorists did that.

I don't believe in religious supremacy and special interest when consideration of refugees.

Accept all of them, regardless of religion, exception of terrorist or deny all of them. Some governors denied ALL of them because they know terrorists could come in and disguise as Christian.

 

[PowerON]

PowerON, who are you quoting, please......

Have you forget I'm adopted. Right?

 

[Reba]

US Constitution still applies to citizens and non-citizens on US soil, also proposed law happens on US soil. Welcome Christians to admit but deny to others are compare to deny the marriage to same sex marriage.

The refugees are NOT on US soil, so it doesn't apply to them.

Many Muslim countries aren't safe for Muslim refugees either, also Christians aren't terrorist free - they could attack the abortion clinics and that what domestic Christian terrorists did that.

We're discussing marginalized persecuted Christians who just want a safe haven. I'm pretty sure attacking abortion clinics is the furthest thing on their minds.

I don't believe in religious supremacy and special interest when consideration of refugees.

It has nothing to do with supremacy. Members of all groups, religious or not, other than the Muslims, would be easier to check out.

Accept all of them, regardless of religion, exception of terrorist or deny all of them. Some governors denied ALL of them because they know terrorists could come in and disguise as Christian.

OK, since the governors are denying all refugees entrance, that's that (unless Obama forces the issue).

I'm curious as to how Muslim terrorists would be disguised as Christians. Can you give an example?

 

[Foxrac]

The refugees are NOT on US soil, so it doesn't apply to them.


We're discussing marginalized persecuted Christians who just want a safe haven. I'm pretty sure attacking abortion clinics is the furthest thing on their minds.


It has nothing to do with supremacy. Members of all groups, religious or not, other than the Muslims, would be easier to check out.


OK, since the governors are denying all refugees entrance, that's that (unless Obama forces the issue).

I'm curious as to how Muslim terrorists would be disguised as Christians. Can you give an example?

We are discussing about constitutionality of proposed bill that allow Christians but exclude others.

Most governors are denying all refugees that come from Syria only, also they know that terrorists can disguise as Christian.

There is no way to know whichever terrorists are disguise as Christian - that's nearly impossible so that why they deny to all of them.