Florida Neighborhood Watch

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Jiro said:
VacationGuy - I have to go out for a while. I found some legal cases that you request for. I'll post it when I get back after I finish reviewing them.
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huh... odd... I don't see my post in here where I included articles and cases... dammit my browser must have crashed :mad2:

looks like I gotta look for it again.
 
Reba said:
They're a very well-known, NYC born and bred group, with a nationwide reputation. They've become mainstream since their early days.
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just read VacationGuy's links. Now I remember but I didn't know they do neighborhood watch. I knew them as CyberAngels.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I don't understand the first two bolded sections. Are you saying it can be done or it can't?

OK. District of Columbia Law 23- 582(b) reads as follows:

(b) A private person may arrest another -

(1) who he has probable cause to believe is committing in his presence -

(A) a felony, or

(B) an offense enumerated in section 23-581 (a)(2); or

(2) in aid of a law enforcement officer or special policeman,
or other person authorized by law to make an arrest.

(c) Any person making an arrest pursuant to this section shall
deliver the person arrested to a law enforcement officer without
unreasonable delay. (July 29, 1970, 84 Stat. 630, Pub. L. 91-358,
Title II, § 210(a); 1973 Ed., § 23-582; Apr. 30, 1988, D.C. Law 7-104,
§ 7(e), 35 DCR 147.)"
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you just proved my point.

what I'm saying is that it can be done but it is rarely done because of legal complication such as criminal and civil liability.

simply put - in order to effectuate a citizen's arrest
1. you must witness a felony or if this person was putting public in a dire danger
2. notify police
3. yell out STOP I AM PLACING YOU UNDER CITIZEN'S ARREST! POLICE IS COMING!
4. continue evaluating the situation and use your common sense
5. if the person is attempting to leave, think twice, triple, and more before you attempt to physically restrain him because this is where it leads to possible criminal and civil liability

and do not ever be armed when effectuating citizen's arrest. this will simply cause a lot more legal headache in all over USA. that's why Zimmerman's in a very bad spot including police department.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
From what I have read the majority of cases against a non-police officer arrest has been against people in the occupation of security guard, if that is more clear.
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sorry nope. I still don't understand. Please do show me a couple of articles you're talking about so I can understand what you're trying to say.

VacationGuy234 said:
I stand corrected on this point. Point well taken.
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you stand corrected? how? you were clearly wrong on everything. You stated that Massachusetts does not have Good Samaritan Law. and you stated that under Good Samaritan Law, it absolves citizen from fault in case like this - arrest and police.

I corrected you that every state including Massachusetts does have a Good Samaritan Law and that law is ONLY for medical case and nothing else.

VacationGuy234 said:
You honestly think he intended to kill the kid after he called the cops and for all he knew they could have already been there watching him? I'm sorry, I just don't follow that logic.
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I didn't say that. I said he most likely accidentally shot him when he slipped or spooked. that's why lot of gun owners especially those with CCW permit are trained to "FINGER OFF!" unless you're absolutely ready to shoot at whatever you're pointing at. Apparently this guy must have kept his finger on the trigger and he got all nervous. That is a bad combination. Somebody's gonna get hurt or killed if a nervous person keeps his nervous finger on the trigger.

VacationGuy234 said:
I know the police are not angels and if the cops know him personally that might be the case, but I don't think so in this case. Honestly, I don't think the cops knew what to do in this situation. Common sense would be to arrest the guy, but it's complicated by the call to the police.
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Complicated by a call to police? not at all. What complicated this matter is this case bringing national attention and Al Sharpton screaming racism. and what started this complication is Zimmerman's reckless and poor decision to pursue this suspect himself when 911 dispatcher told him not to.

And of course the cops knew him. Zimmerman was in Neighborhood Watch training program for 3 months (if I remembered it correctly) and the captain commended him. Police department did not follow a proper protocol and investigation after the incident so this isn't looking very good for police captain since he got a no-confidence vote from Sanford City Commission... major bad news. It reeks of either police cover-up or a grave incompetence or both.

VacationGuy234 said:
I'm amazed you haven't heard of it.

The Alliance of Guardian Angels

Guardian Angels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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thanks. After reading it - now I remember them but not as Neighborhood Watch. Quite a long while back, I tried to sign up for CyberAngels but I lacked qualification and experience at that time.
 
Did I miss it or is there any explanation from Zimmerman as to what the reason was to why he shot and killed a 17 yr. old?
 
Steinhauer said:
Did I miss it or is there any explanation from Zimmerman as to what the reason was to why he shot and killed a 17 yr. old?
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One report I saw on the news stated that Treyvon came after him, but so far, that has been proved false. Zimmerman claims it is self-defense. Seems he was defending himself from a bag of Skittles and a can of soda.
 
Steinhauer said:
Did I miss it or is there any explanation from Zimmerman as to what the reason was to why he shot and killed a 17 yr. old?
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exactly what we're waiting for to find out.

but right now - it doesn't really matter much. there was no probable cause nor actual crime so Zimmerman had no legal justification to effectuate a citizen's arrest and shooting to begin with. My crystal ball says... Zimmerman is going to be criminally charged with manslaughter, brandishing/displaying gun in public, and some more.
 
Jiro said:
exactly what we're waiting for to find out.

but right now - it doesn't really matter much. there was no probable cause nor actual crime so Zimmerman had no legal justification to effectuate a citizen's arrest and shooting to begin with. My crystal ball says... Zimmerman is going to be criminally charged with manslaughter, brandishing/displaying gun in public, and some more.
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If the Black Panthers don't get him first that is....

Trayvon Martin case: New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for Trayvon Martin killer George Zimmerman - chicagotribune.com

And of course Spike Lee jumped in to tweet his address.
 
There were 100's of demonstrators here downtown today, screaming for Justice.....Believe Zimmerman had to go into hiding, afraid for his life.....

I'm not making any accusations of who is right or wrong until the whole story comes out.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I never siad the kid was a criminal. If you read my earlier post, I said both are innocent and guilty. IMO, they both over reacted. I think the kid socked Zimmerman and put him on the ground. I think Zimmerman got scared and shot him. I believe the police report states Zimmerman called for help, but I can't verify that easily from my phone.

It is not clear who was yelling for help as nobody saw it. And, the police don't evidence because Zimmerman confessed. Their job is to get the criminal and they found him. They don't look for truth..

It wasn't me that is against Vigilante groups either, it was Jiro.
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And just was was the kid guilty of , wearing a hoodie and carry a bag of candy in his pants waistband? if the kid did hit Zimmerman he was standing his ground and guilty of nothing according the Stand Your Ground Law! Zimmerman is the one that did not listen to the cops, he was told not to follow the kid. Zimmerman killed that kid in cold blood! Zimmerman could had stayed in his damn car and waited for the cops to get there, but he did not do that , he knew damn well if he when up a guy with a gun there would be trouble. Zimmerman was looking for excuse to use his gun!! Why else would he had follow the kid and gotten out of his car!! I
 
KristinaB said:
One report I saw on the news stated that Treyvon came after him, but so far, that has been proved false. Zimmerman claims it is self-defense. Seems he was defending himself from a bag of Skittles and a can of soda.
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I don't think we'll never know what really happen as all the evidences has been lost when Zimmerman was allowed to go home and wash it off! This is why I think there is a coverup going on!
 
whatdidyousay! said:
And just was was the kid guilty of , wearing a hoodie and carry a bag of candy in his pants waistband? if the kid did hit Zimmerman he was standing his ground and guilty of nothing according the Stand Your Ground Law! Zimmerman is the one that did not listen to the cops, he was told not to follow the kid. Zimmerman killed that kid in cold blood! Zimmerman could had stayed in his damn car and waited for the cops to get there, but he did not do that , he knew damn well if he when up a guy with a gun there would be trouble. Zimmerman was looking for excuse to use his gun!! Why else would he had follow the kid and gotten out of his car!! I
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actually no. Zimmerman had no legal justification to begin with even if Trayvon punched him because initially, Trayvon was defending himself from Zimmerman. So in effect, Trayvon thought his life was in danger when some crazy man was chasing him.

So in this case, Zimmerman would be criminally charged with manslaughter or aggravated assault with deadly force or whatever.
 
rockin'robin said:
There were 100's of demonstrators here downtown today, screaming for Justice.....Believe Zimmerman had to go into hiding, afraid for his life.....

I'm not making any accusations of who is right or wrong until the whole story comes out.
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Sounds like a wise idea.
 
kokonut said:
Agree. I think it was somewhat unpresidential of Obama to discuss the incident essentially polarizing the issue by playing the race card.
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Definately!....He doesn't really know (as the rest of us), really what came down to the shooting....
 
Steel X said:
Highly unlikely that it would have been concocted...besides, it was actually difficult to hear what he said exactly but one of the audio excerpt says it is most likely that he said "punk". Not "coon". So yeah...he would be in much deeper shit if he actually said coon.
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If he said "punk" rather than "coon" then that would change things a bit.
 
If Zimmerman were in fact being attacked by Martin then there may be justification for the shooting in self defense. But as I said as well as others we just don't know that yet. Black Panthers, Obama and Al Sharpton have done nothing to smooth any tensions out but only to racially garner and establish them. They are in fact the real racists here!
 
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