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Jiro said:
Your first sentence pretty much invalidated it.
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Not at all. Just because he can use an affirmative defense doesn't mean he will win or that I believe it.
 
TXgolfer said:
Not at all. Just because he can use an affirmative defense doesn't mean he will win or that I believe it.
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affirmative defense? oooo that sounds racist.
 
Grayma said:
I find that mildly interesting. Mainly because I know what a field day the media and the Al Sharpton and Spike Lee types would be having if it turned out he was a Republican.

Did we talk about the media calling Zimmerman a 'White Hispanic' yet? What is that? And why would they feel the need to do that, anyway?
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Since you brought it up, I wondered about that, too. The whole "white Hispanic" crapola nonsense they're throwing out there, that is. I wonder what the Latino community stance is on this whole thing? Any Hispanic discussion forum out there that might shed some light?
 
kokonut said:
Since you brought it up, I wondered about that, too. The whole "white Hispanic" crapola nonsense they're throwing out there, that is. I wonder what the Latino community stance is on this whole thing? Any Hispanic discussion forum out there that might shed some light?
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feel free to create a new thread about it.
 
Grayma said:
Is this not a thread about the Zimmerman case?

Why, yes, yes it is.
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it's about Zimmerman killing Trayvon...

not public craze about Zimmerman as white hispanic or what box he checked in paper to identify his race. that's not the case in here, is it not?
 
Jiro said:
it's about Zimmerman killing Trayvon... not public craze about Zimmerman as white hispanic or what box he checked in paper to identify his race.
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It could be relevant to the charges of racism against him.
 
Reba said:
It could be relevant to the charges of racism against him.
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it was the word he allegedly muttered ("f'ing coon") that brought attention to DOJ.... not what box he checked in the paper or what race the police described him as.

but it isn't hard to create a new thread to specifically talk about "White Hispanic". I'm not interested in discussing about it. I created this thread to discuss about Stand Your Ground not being applicable to his case.
 
Reba said:
It could be relevant to the charges of racism against him.
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And it has to do with the way the media is reporting the case. I still don't have an opinion on what happened, because I still do not think I know a darn thing about it except one person is dead.

The reason I don't know a darn thing about it is because the media, by actions like reporting that Zimmerman is a 'white hispanic,' as though that were a real thing or mattered either way, has indicated they have a narrative to tell, and they will frame their story to fit the narrative.

If Zimmerman were black, I don't think we'd have heard about the story at all.

Therefore, it appears to me that most of what we think we know is bogus, if we 'know' it because we read it in the news.
 
Grayma said:
And it has to do with the way the media is reporting the case. I still don't have an opinion on what happened, because I still do not think I know a darn thing about it except one person is dead.

The reason I don't know a darn thing about it is because the media, by actions like reporting that Zimmerman is a 'white hispanic,' as though that were a real thing or mattered either way, has indicated they have a narrative to tell, and they will frame their story to fit the narrative.

If Zimmerman were black, I don't think we'd have heard about the story at all.

Therefore, it appears to me that most of what we think we know is bogus, if we 'know' it because we read it in the news.
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apparently you seem to know a lot more than that

or are you just here to team up with buffoons to heckle?
 
Jiro said:
it was the word he allegedly muttered ("f'ing coon") that brought attention to DOJ.... not what box he checked in the paper or what race the police described him as....
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I've listened to that recording, and I must say it's a stretch for anyone to say categorically that it was that word that was said.
 
Reba said:
I've listened to that recording, and I must say it's a stretch for anyone to say categorically that it was that word that was said.
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yes I know. even a CNN sound guy dissected it and analyzed it carefully and can't say verify it for sure.

that's why I don't believe this is a case of hate crime. nothing to see in here. All these people like Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, etc. need to stfu and move on. we want truth, not politicization.
 
Jiro said:
apparently you seem to know a lot more than that

or are you just here to team up with buffoons to heckle?
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Now you add mind reading to your talents? I don't know anything about what happened except that one man is dead. The reason I don't know more than that is because the only source for such knowledge is the media.

I do know the media has made strange and unsupportable claims that are calculated to frame the narrative they want (like 'white hispanic).

And I know it was fun to read about jon Stewart chewing out Spike Lee and telling him to leave the cyberbullying to the teens:

Jon Stewart Goes After Spike Lee Tweet: Even With Right Address, Sending ‘Lynch Mob’ Is ‘Bad Mistake’ | Mediaite
 
Grayma said:
Now you add mind reading to your talents? I don't know anything about what happened except that one man is dead. The reason I don't know more than that is because the only source for such knowledge is the media.

I do know the media has made strange and unsupportable claims that are calculated to frame the narrative they want (like 'white hispanic).

And I know it was fun to read about jon Stewart chewing out Spike Lee and telling him to leave the cyberbullying to the teens:

Jon Stewart Goes After Spike Lee Tweet: Even With Right Address, Sending ‘Lynch Mob’ Is ‘Bad Mistake’ | Mediaite
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thank you for proving my point that you do actually know more than "somebody died".
 
Jiro said:
thank you for proving my point that you do actually know more than "somebody died".
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I regret that I am confusing you so much.

The only factual thing I know about the *case* is that somebody died. So I refuse to speculate about either party or their motives. I will wait and see what the court decides.

What I know about the media and it's biased reporting, Spike Lee, or Jon Stuart are not facts about the case.

It's kind of funny, you seem irritated at some people for speculating, and irritated with others for refusing to speculate.
 
Grayma said:
I regret that I am confusing you so much.

The only factual thing I know about the *case* is that somebody died. So I refuse to speculate about either party or their motives. I will wait and see what the court decides.
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and yet... you come in here to speak your mind..... and then say - I'll wait and see....

Grayma said:
What I know about the media and it's biased reporting, Spike Lee, or Jon Stuart are not facts about the case.
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Jon Stuart? :laugh2:

he's uh.... you know... a political comedian..... not a reporter. neither is Spike Lee.

Grayma said:
It's kind of funny, you seem irritated at some people for speculating, and irritated with others for refusing to speculate.
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are you sure you're not confusing me with others? they're the one who keep repeating "i rather wait and see", not me.
 
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