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VacationGuy234 said:
It is not a fact, you wrote: but your previous post wasn't about your neighbor's yard.... you specifically said store.... which is a public area. so based on what you said in previous post, you are not within your right to stand your ground

It's a fact that the law, Stand Your Ground, gives you that right in public areas. It has nothing to do with you owning a gun. Unless you were talking about something else, I agree with Steinhauer.
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did you even read rest of the paragraph? You automatically forfeit your right to self-defense with deadly force especially in public area if you are an aggressor. I didn't say that. The law did. I even posted a full statute of Florida law on this.

When an intruder forcibly entered your house, that person automatically forfeit his rights therefore you will not be held liable - both criminal and civil but when it comes to public area, it's a whole another different story.

Steinhauer INTENTIONALLY AND WILLFULLY confronted that person at store to put the stolen item back on the shelf. and here's a 2 problems - why confront a criminal if there is a potential for it to turn into hostile situation? and why is that person a criminal? just because he put stuff into his pockets doesn't exactly mean he's a thief unless he left the store without paying for it. After all..... whatever happened to "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY"? Sounds like Steinhauer is a judge, jury, and executioner.
 
Trayvon Martin's death leaves town divided, struggling with stigma
Trayvon Martin's death leaves town divided, struggling with stigma - CNN.com

Video raises new questions in Trayvon Martin killing
Video raises new questions in Trayvon Martin killing - CNN.com

Video shows Zimmerman with cops; Dad speaks out
Video shows Zimmerman with cops; Dad speaks out - CBS News

George Zimmerman's father: "So much hate" coming from Obama
George Zimmerman's father: "So much hate" coming from Obama - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

we will kept that story update
 
"Police have said Florida's Stand Your Ground law prohibited them from arresting Zimmerman."

I agree with that statement.
 
CrazyPaul said:
"Police have said Florida's Stand Your Ground law prohibited them from arresting Zimmerman."

I agree with that statement.
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that's correct. that's why he was never arrested but there would be an investigation to see if it's justified or not.

the detective didn't believe his story but his hands were tied.
 
Would not be the first time a detective had his hands tied by the evidence on hand.
Let the investigation be completed before jumping into any conclusion. Obama ask for this during Fort Hood but looks like everyone forgot.
 
rolling7 said:
Would not be the first time a detective had his hands tied by the evidence on hand.
Let the investigation be completed before jumping into any conclusion. Obama ask for this during Fort Hood but looks like everyone forgot.
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are we not allowed to share our opinions based on what we have at hands?
 
Such a hot topic!! This is everywhere I go these days. Don't get me wrong. I understand the reason for the debate.

Personally, I am not sure what to believe. Did Zimmerman in fact get beaten by Martin? Was Zimmerman justified in using his gun? Was Martin acting or behaving in a threatening kind of way? Did the police department in fact screw up?

We see news reports that say so many conflicting things, that some people just don't know what to believe. I have basically lost faith in ANY news reporting agency, whether it is local or national and whether it is TV or print. This day and age of instant, up-to-the-minute reporting is, in my opinion, just wrong. The information needs to be verified before being made public.
 
KristinaB said:
Such a hot topic!! This is everywhere I go these days. Don't get me wrong. I understand the reason for the debate.

Personally, I am not sure what to believe. Did Zimmerman in fact get beaten by Martin? Was Zimmerman justified in using his gun? Was Martin acting or behaving in a threatening kind of way? Did the police department in fact screw up?

We see news reports that say so many conflicting things, that some people just don't know what to believe. I have basically lost faith in ANY news reporting agency, whether it is local or national and whether it is TV or print. This day and age of instant, up-to-the-minute reporting is, in my opinion, just wrong. The information needs to be verified before being made public.
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And while all this is going on, we see racism rearing it's ugly head. Sharpton and his ilk like to look the other way when it happens to white folks but scream bloody murder when it is the other way around. Just sad all the way around.....
 
Tousi said:
And while all this is going on, we see racism rearing it's ugly head. Sharpton and his ilk like to look the other way when it happens to white folks but scream bloody murder when it is the other way around. Just sad all the way around.....
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I think the witnesses shouldn't talk to the public until the case is closed. I remember OJ's murder case in which one witness who was driving in the area where there was a double murder saw him driving so fast on the way out and telling the witness to "move over, bitch". The witness told the public about it so the court disallowed the witness to take a witness stand.

I believe that investigators' job is to tell the witnesses to keep quiet because they may be needed in a court.
 
Tousi said:
And while all this is going on, we see racism rearing it's ugly head. Sharpton and his ilk like to look the other way when it happens to white folks but scream bloody murder when it is the other way around. Just sad all the way around.....
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Yes, and continue to ignore their own true problems....
Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. Th e victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). Th e off ending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)
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http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
 
CSign said:
I'd be willing to bet 98% of what's on here constitutes personal opinion- albeit some may be more "educated opinions" than others. We should just take it for what it is. In time, more information will come out and the justice system will run its course.
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Rather I saw a lot more emotional huffing and puffing to go with these "educated opinions" by those who have already decided. We saw all the huffing and puffing about the video recently saying "Where's the bloooood? Where's the broken noseeeee?" "I don't see anyyyy!" (rant rant rant). Even though in the police report it was stated that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and head. Or exclaimed that this was done in cold blooded murder (rant rant rant) or thought it'd be fun to watch him go to prison, etc..etc.... Only a few here preferred to let the investigators do their job and get all of the facts on hand first and check their emotions at the door. None of us were there. None of us have on hand ALL of the facts. And none of us were witnesses to this horrible event. This atmosphere across the U.S. surrounding this incident reminds me of a lynch mob mentality. Get the "attacker" first, damn the facts. I have no desire to be a part of that group mentality.
 
Jiro said:
did you even read rest of the paragraph? You automatically forfeit your right to self-defense with deadly force especially in public area if you are an aggressor. I didn't say that. The law did. I even posted a full statute of Florida law on this.
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Again, incorrect. Stand your ground and self defense are 2 entirely different things
 
Ironic considering the fact there are people who support the "innocent until proven guilty" concept.
 
kokonut said:
Rather I saw a lot more emotional huffing and puffing to go with these "educated opinions" by those who have already decided. We saw all the huffing and puffing about the video recently saying "Where's the bloooood? Where's the broken noseeeee?" "I don't see anyyyy!" (rant rant rant). Even though in the police report it was stated that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and head. Or exclaimed that this was done in cold blooded murder (rant rant rant) or thought it'd be fun to watch him go to prison, etc..etc.... Only a few here preferred to let the investigators do their job and get all of the facts on hand first and check their emotions at the door. None of us were there. None of us have on hand ALL of the facts. And none of us were witnesses to this horrible event. This atmosphere across the U.S. surrounding this incident reminds me of a lynch mob mentality. Get the "attacker" first, damn the facts. I have no desire to be a part of that group mentality.
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Oh? So why are you so hell-bent on maintaining Zimmerman's innocence? Believe it or not- you're already part of lynching mob mentality.
 
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