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[Reba]

Maybe the ambulance people already cleaned him up?

I was wondering that, too. What about a report from the EMT's?

It would also be nice if the ABC banner didn't cover up part of the footage.

 

[Reba]

No, I could make funny, sarcastic post whatever I want and if you don't like it then just ignore my post.

Yes, you can make sarcastic posts but your post wasn't an example of sarcasm. If it were sarcasm, it would mean that you actually would not enjoy seeing Zimmerman go to jail. Sarcasm is saying one thing but meaning the opposite.

 

[Reba]

Zimmerman was arrested at first but not booked? That is, there is no booking photo (mug shot)?

 

[rolling7]

This police report said Zimmermn was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head.

Yes, it says that but people have already made up their mind and real evidence won't change their mind. These people will want the evidence to fit whatever they SAY happened.

 

[rockin'robin]

Yes, you can make sarcastic posts but your post wasn't an example of sarcasm. If it were sarcasm, it would mean that you actually would not enjoy seeing Zimmerman go to jail. Sarcasm is saying one thing but meaning the opposite.

Exactly....

 

[Tousi]

I was wondering that, too. What about a report from the EMT's?

It would also be nice if the ABC banner didn't cover up part of the footage.

Well, Jiro produced a link (post #475) to the police report and on the very last page (there's about a half dozen pages) there is mention of injuries to Z's nose and back of his head. Isn't this also a booking document?

 

[Reba]

Well, Jiro produced a link (post #475) to the police report and on the very last page (there's about a half dozen pages) there is mention of injuries to Z's nose and back of his head. Isn't this also a booking document?

I don't believe it's the same as a booking document but it does provide us with the reporting officer's observations. He does mention Z's injuries, statements, and the fact that he was tended to by the EMS personnel.

 

[rolling7]

Well, Jiro produced a link (post #475) to the police report and on the very last page (there's about a half dozen pages) there is mention of injuries to Z's nose and back of his head. Isn't this also a booking document?

Just to explain......the police can DETAIN a person (even put the person in handcluffs and/or a holding cell) to investigate an event of concern. A specific document is used for this investigation. If their investigation warrants an arrest, then an arrest report/document will be completed. The arrested person is then put through the booking process and a third document is used for this process.

 

[Jiro]

The law is made for public areas. It is made for people to walk around in public and not have to be assaulted, that is the whole point of the law.

sigh..... you're not getting a point at all.

I think it's probably best if you leave it to people who actually have guns and actually have license to carry.

like I said - you automatically forfeit that right if you provoke an attack on you. in other word.... "come on... gimme a reason to shoot you." do you understand or no?

 

[Jiro]

If I were out innocently walking, and someone was following me, I would go quickly to some place safe, or take some other evasive action. I wouldn't get into a confrontation with the other person or engage in a hostile conversation.

that's what Trayvon did according to his girlfriend.

I'm not sure that just seeing that he had a gun on his belt would justify shooting him. Was he reaching for it? Was he showing it to you in a threatening manner? Did he say, "Stop, or I'll shoot"? Did he say, "I have a gun, and I'll use it"?

does it matter? after all.... nobody can dispute you since the "only witness" is dead and you just gotta say right things to cops or let your lawyer handle it.

I would never "pursue" a suspicious character. I would stay in the car, and follow at a safe distance, just enough to keep him in sight. If he approached me, I would leave. There's no need for confrontation or conversation.

Why were they so close together that they were within punching range? It's very risky to get within punching, choking, kicking, or stabbing range. If you do use a gun as protection, you want to shoot before the other person can touch you. Wrestling around on the ground means the other person can take your gun from you, or turn it towards you.

exactly. that's what Zimmerman should have done but apparently, he must have felt like a cop when he was walking around with a gun on his belt.

 

[Reba]

that's what Trayvon did according to his girlfriend.

Then how did he end up in a confrontation and argument? If he kept moving, there would be no confrontation. He wasn't shot in the back was he?

does it matter? after all.... nobody can dispute you since the "only witness" is dead and you just gotta say right things to cops or let your lawyer handle it.

In your scenario it does make a difference.

In your scenario, the shooting victim saw the gun on the shooter's belt. If the victim is dead, how would anyone know what he saw?

exactly. that's what Zimmerman should have done but apparently, he must have felt like a cop when he was walking around with a gun on his belt.

We don't know what he "felt."

 

[Jiro]

Then how did he end up in a confrontation and argument? If he kept moving, there would be no confrontation. He wasn't shot in the back was he?

Why should he be the one running away? He does not have a duty to retreat. He was shot in the chest, not back.

In your scenario it does make a difference.

In your scenario, the shooting victim saw the gun on the shooter's belt. If the victim is dead, how would anyone know what he saw?

like I said - does it matter? that's what happens in Florida since Stand Your Ground law was passed. it's basically an open-and-shut case. no question asked.

We don't know what he "felt."

we can simply look at Post #310 and piece them together.

 

[VacationGuy234]

sigh..... you're not getting a point at all.

I think it's probably best if you leave it to people who actually have guns and actually have license to carry.

like I said - you automatically forfeit that right if you provoke an attack on you. in other word.... "come on... gimme a reason to shoot you." do you understand or no?

You don't agree with the law and you want to give a personal opinion, fine, but you should qualify that it is a personal opinion. Steinhauer is right about the law and you are wrong, it's that simple.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I am back just to drop a link.

Police Surveillance Video | George Zimmerman | Head Injury | The Daily Caller

 

[CrazyPaul]

One commenter explained his/her experience of head injury. Read on...

"You can see the Policeman look at his head. He was cleaned up at the scene. It said after medical attention, they took him in. I tell you this, I have had my head slammed into concrete, and I was screaming just like him and I thought I was going to die if it didn't stop. The Police arrived and stopped it, or I think I would be dead. And tho the man was jailed and had to pay for my ER bill, the problem is, I still have headaches and neck pain almost every morning of my life, and it is debilitating. The Police cleaned me up at the scene. You cannot see how he is feeling. You have to get up, because the Police are telling you to come on, but you are dazed and not really getting it. Even, as the Police were cleaning up my head, I was terrified, I was going to die right then, because I could feel the blood pulsing out of an artery at my temple. Days later, there would be bruises, not that night."

 

[CSign]

You don't agree with the law and you want to give a personal opinion, fine, but you should qualify that it is a personal opinion. Steinhauer is right about the law and you are wrong, it's that simple.

I'd be willing to bet 98% of what's on here constitutes personal opinion- albeit some may be more "educated opinions" than others. We should just take it for what it is. In time, more information will come out and the justice system will run its course.

 

[VacationGuy234]

I'd be willing to bet 98% of what's on here constitutes personal opinion- albeit some may be more "educated opinions" than others. We should just take it for what it is. In time, more information will come out and the justice system will run its course.

Point taken..

 

[Jiro]

You don't agree with the law and you want to give a personal opinion, fine, but you should qualify that it is a personal opinion. Steinhauer is right about the law and you are wrong, it's that simple.

huh what? it's a fact.

another fact - I own a gun and I'm licensed to carry as well (issued by Florida). and I listed out scenarios to see what's legal or not. Steinhauer disagreed (of course). Jeb Bush and Dennis Baxley (both who co-sponsored and passed the Stand Your Ground law) disagreed with Steinhauer and Zimmerman. but hey - we'll see.

another fact - what happened exactly is unknown (such as who is an aggressor) because it's "he said, she said" and plus Trayvon is dead so he can't give his statement to cops so we'll see what they have concluded on April 10th and I'm very confident that they will charge him of manslaughter.

 

[VacationGuy234]

huh what? it's a fact.

It is not a fact, you wrote: but your previous post wasn't about your neighbor's yard.... you specifically said store.... which is a public area. so based on what you said in previous post, you are not within your right to stand your ground

It's a fact that the law, Stand Your Ground, gives you that right in public areas. It has nothing to do with you owning a gun. Unless you were talking about something else, I agree with Steinhauer.

 

[CrazyPaul]

It is not a fact, you wrote: but your previous post wasn't about your neighbor's yard.... you specifically said store.... which is a public area. so based on what you said in previous post, you are not within your right to stand your ground

It's a fact that the law, Stand Your Ground, gives you that right in public areas. It has nothing to do with you owning a gun. Unless you were talking about something else, I agree with Steinhauer.

You are right. To stand your ground, you have a right to defend yourself SOMEHOW. It doesn't have to include a gun.